Homeland on SHO - Page 17

I don't think so. The way I see it Brody came to love the boy, as a part of his "return to humanity" during his captivity. The boy was just a boy, his father's actions had nothing to do with him. Unfortunately we all saw numerous times on the news that this things can happen too (I'm talking about the bombing killing dozens of children or similar situations). If anything, it just shows that hoaxes and lies go both ways. I don't want to go into a political discussion that's not the point but we also saw first hand what an administration can do to achieve its goal(s). I don't take sides of course, just saying. Brody, imo, at the end of the first season, is a tortured soul and wounded for the rest of his life. His "cause" isn't the same as Nazir's (remember his video recording?) and at his heart he's still a marine and a proud american but there are things that happened that he can't swallow. Does that justify his actions? No. Does that explain them? Probably. I can't wait to see how his character will continue to develop and adapt to the events to come. Obviously his relationship with Carrie isn't a closed chapter, obviously he loves his children (and his wife), and obviously he's an angry man too... Saul is also a fascinating character and so well played by Mandy Patinkin.

Interesting - As if the show is not a hot potato 'in country' as well.

Let's not forget the insulting 'Sleeper Cell' series

I quite enjoyed 'Sleeper Cell', especially the first season.

Well said, Morpheo. I completely agree with your views on the show and characters.

Agreed, while it fell off during the second season, I thought the 1st season was pretty well done.

Pretty much agree as well. Not sure why people have issues with putting a human side to terrorists or enemies. While we like to think of them as non human, they also have reasons for doing what they do many times becasue of a loss of some kind of another. It doesnt make what they do any less terrible. But I guess if everyone wants to put on blinders and think of all enemies of state as mindless hateful robots, then shows like this are not for you. Just becasue you udnerstand WHY they are the way they are doesnt mean you have to agree with their actions....

Plus we also have to understand why Brody is doing what HE is doing ...

Yes, the first season was quite good. 2nd? Nah, they didn't plan for it and it showed.

Congrats to all for the Emmys.

Don't forget season 2 starts next to Dexter this Sunday.

I'm more excited for this show's return than for Dexter's. I just hope it can maintain it's quality. And I hope the writers have an end game in mind.

I'm looking forward to it, but I'd have been looking more forward to it if the writers had the balls to let Brody blow himself up.

^ I know what you mean, but I loved the phone call scene between Brody and Dana. It was all so intense.

Is the 3 minute segment on the blu-ray/dvd set considered canon or is it just a throw away?

Well, since they're calling it a prologue, as opposed to a deleted scene, I would imagine it is canon.

can you fill us in on what happened in the 3min scene?
I'm more interested in the Homeland return while my wife is more interested in Dexter, but we both really like both series
here's an article with some possible spoilers for the season
http://www.usatoday.com/life/tv/story/2012/09/27/homeland-tills-suspenseful-soil/57849416/1

If so, use spoiler tags so we avoid any complaints.

According to an article in USA Today, that was indeed the plan of the producers and writers from the start.  However, the network (Showtime) insisted that they keep the Brody/Carrie relationship story alive because they felt it was important.  The original plan (which I personally think sounded better) was to have the bomb go off and "reset the show" for a 2nd season in an entirely different light.  Opportunity missed.

BTW, on Saturday starting at noon on the east coast feed, they are rerunning the entire first season again.

One part of me wanted to see Brody blow himself up just for the satisfaction of it, but on the other hand Lewis is such a wonderful actor we'd miss him profusely in future episodes- so I'm glad they kept him alive.

Homeland isn't the first show to do a major 180 on a character being killed off.... Last season "Revenge" clearly showed Daniel being shot dead on the beach in a flash forward in the pilot episode- when they finally 'caught up' to that point in the regular season the scene was carefully reshot and it ended up being someone else dead. Daniel had become too popular with the fans to kill off, just as Brody has become to important to kill off now. That re-write on Revenge was very tricky to pull off cause they had to have a replacement 'dead man walking' for Daniel on that beach, wearing the same cloths, there at the same time etc... it was very convoluted and left a very bad taste in many viewers mouths. At least the 'fail to detonate' solution on Homeland was simple and believable..
Edited by replayrob - 9/28/12 at 10:42am

Network suits are not known for making brave decisions concerning the direction their shows take. Thus, it is no surprise that they vetoed the showrunners' original plan to kill Brody off. That's too bad in a way because it would have left Carrie even more of a tortured soul than she ended up being with Brody surviving. Still, Brody is such a deliciously ambiguous character it's going to be fascinating to see what direction the writers go with it.

Yes, in many ways the darker ending would have been more appropriate for this show, but I completely understand why they decided to change it - Damian Lewis is simply awesome in this role. Another well publicized turnaround is Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul) from Breaking Bad. He was originally going to be killed off during Season 1, but the writers strike cut the season short. During the time off, the showrunner had a change of heart after seeing how Paul and Cranston were working together.

Actually, they had changed their minds about killing off Paul as early as episode two. But at least in this case, the writers were the ones who changed the plan and not the network.

The current Grantland includes a terrific essay on the upcoming Season 2 of Homeland by the very talented Andy Greenwald. He discusses the change in plans from killing Brody off to having him survive as a central character in Season 2: Read the whole thing, it's great fun.

If Brody was gone, we'd miss his wife --- a lot.

They seemed to phase out the best parts of her character by the end of the season anyway.

For the first time ever I've subscribed to a premium channel.

After watching the first season on Blu-ray I decided this was one show I couldn't wait to watch. I could deal with waiting a year for True Blood and Dexter (that was really no problem after the previous season) but this was a show that completely grabbed me. The acting is completely convincing and the writing has a major plot hole only every three or four episodes. I hope it doesn't become a Sleeper Cell season 2.

For me, one of the epic turnarounds on a character meant to die was Boyd Crowder in Justified.  Imagine having lost him (Walter Goggins) in that terrific show!

When does the 2nd season start?

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This Sunday night (9/30).

Starting this weekend, Sunday is going to be a busy one.  Thank God for multi-tuner DVR's.

Does anybody know when Season 2 episodes will be available on Amazon Instant Video? I had contemplated adding Showtime for a few months while Homeland is on, but there's really nothing else I want to see from that network.