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post #751 of 1773
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Wasn't expecting that to happen. Good episode.
post #752 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Wasn't expecting that to happen. Good episode.

Seems a bit unlikely that they would be slaughtered like that.
post #753 of 1773
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Seems a bit unlikely that they would be slaughtered like that.

They were expecting SWAT so when the bad guys in tactical gear showed up they didn't have their guard up. Plus side arms vs full auto isn't very equal.
post #754 of 1773

Yep, that was pretty intense and unexpected.  The setup of mentioning that SWAT backup was enroute made it more surprising when they simply opened fire.  I hope they show that the main CIA guy had on a vest or something if he really did survive as was suggested.  Taking a gut shot from automatic assault rifles doesn't generally yield positive results.

post #755 of 1773
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They were expecting SWAT so when the bad guys in tactical gear showed up they didn't have their guard up.

SWAT team members have "SWAT" clearly labeled on their uniforms unlike the black-masked terrorist death squads that appear to be roving the streets of America these days.

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Plus side arms vs full auto isn't very equal.

Running beats both of them. Nice of them to stand around so they would make easy targets.

Once again, Superagent Carrie runs to Brody sobbing about how it's all his fault everything in her life makes her sad so he must have sent the death squad to hurt her feelings. How could this basket case of junior highschool heartbreak possibly be working for the CIA? This show is desperate to get them together in scenes even when it makes absolutely no sense and makes Carrie look even more unprofessional. I'm putting my money on the terrorists.

I also liked how Superagent Carrie screamed "I had seven causalities today!" as if she had been in charge of the whole operation. rolleyes.gif
post #756 of 1773
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Seems a bit unlikely that they would be slaughtered like that.


I guess if a guy could walk into a safe room wearing a suicide vest with the VP- a fake swat team was a piece of cake tongue.gif
post #757 of 1773
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SWAT team members have "SWAT" clearly labeled on their uniforms unlike the black-masked terrorist death squads that appear to be roving the streets of America these days.
Running beats both of them. Nice of them to stand around so they would make easy targets.
Once again, Superagent Carrie runs to Brody sobbing about how it's all his fault everything in her life makes her sad so he must have sent the death squad to hurt her feelings. How could this basket case of junior highschool heartbreak possibly be working for the CIA? This show is desperate to get them together in scenes even when it makes absolutely no sense and makes Carrie look even more unprofessional. I'm putting my money on the terrorists.
I also liked how Superagent Carrie screamed "I had seven causalities today!" as if she had been in charge of the whole operation. rolleyes.gif

GO figure you had problems with the Brody\Carrie scenes, I didnt see that coming lol.......

As far as Carrie screaming "I had 7 casualties today" whats wrong with that? she is one of the team members so yes her team had 7 casualties and thus "she" had 7....I guess your just waiting for Carrie to die so you can be happy with the end of her character?

How exactly do you out run bullets unless you are a superhero??? By the time the hit squad was in the shop, they didnt have much of anywhere to go, besides run out the back door, where there would still be casualties (and most likely someone out back) to clean up any runners)....

How are the roving America? Most people since there was a know police presence in the area wouldnt think twice about men in tactical uniforms entering in formation. We also didnt see thier mode of transportation, so I guess to you they just walked thorugh twon in full uniform, then just busted into the tailor shop to open fire? From teh circumstances, it was a well executed retrival by highly trained terrorists.

Surprised no one brought it up, with what we discussed lasst week regarding Carries tactic in telling Brody she wanted to leave his wife. She played it off (or did she tell the truth) that it was part of her "plan" to get him to talk......

IMO great episode, as soon as that Peter got the call that the terrorists knew about the FBI searching the shop, he knew they were in trouble....Now that Peter is out of the way, Carrie will no doubt (unless Estes pulls another person in) will take over the operation......
post #758 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HairyBee View Post

They were expecting SWAT so when the bad guys in tactical gear showed up they didn't have their guard up. Plus side arms vs full auto isn't very equal.

I meant that it was a big operation set in motion by Brody's comment to the reporter and essentially an enemy strike. I also think the FBI would be a little more cautious about guarding the scene. It just seemed too brazen for me given that it wasn't the actual operation. Such action would draw a lot of attention and retribution.
Edited by daryl zero - 11/5/12 at 2:43pm
post #759 of 1773
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I actually thought a bomb would go off, or at least have a bomb-scare. The massacre shocked me.
post #760 of 1773
An otherwise slow episode "fired up" in the last couple of minutes!

I am just wondering if the fake SWAT team isn't one of a parallel clandestine govt operations that did not want the CIA team to discover something. Sort of reminds me of a movie/show (24??) where a VP (or someone in similar position) tries to run a double play trying to lure terrorists into a terror plot, to create a context for some war or something like that. Can't quite remember what that movie/show is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that way.

Can't wait for the next week's episode.
post #761 of 1773
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I actually thought a bomb would go off, or at least have a bomb-scare. The massacre shocked me.

I absolutely thought this would happen as well. I thought for sure something was rigged with a booby trap.
post #762 of 1773
I thinks something's not right about that whole swat team invasion. Everything we know about the terrorist organization tells us they don't have the people or capability to pull that off, nor are they likely to carry off their dead.
Either the writers decided to blow off any need for believability or something's afoot that we don't yet know about. That swat team was WAY too well prepared, equipped and executed.

According to the previews, we are to believe that team was after the case of explosives. Perhaps the explosives would have been traced to someone more powerful than a handful of terrorists.
post #763 of 1773
And if it was a case of explosives, that would really be realistic. They're good enough to bring in a strike unit but they can't find new explosives? Sure. rolleyes.gif
post #764 of 1773
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I thinks something's not right about that whole swat team invasion. Everything we know about the terrorist organization tells us they don't have the people or capability to pull that off, nor are they likely to carry off their dead.
Either the writers decided to blow off any need for believability or something's afoot that we don't yet know about. That swat team was WAY too well prepared, equipped and executed.
According to the previews, we are to believe that team was after the case of explosives. Perhaps the explosives would have been traced to someone more powerful than a handful of terrorists.

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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

And if it was a case of explosives, that would really be realistic. They're good enough to bring in a strike unit but they can't find new explosives? Sure. rolleyes.gif

Think "dirty bomb".
post #765 of 1773
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Think "dirty bomb".

Agreed here, if it was just "everyday" regular explosives, then why bother. If this was something harder to procure however, then it would be worth sending their team in. As far as not having the resources to ahve the "hit squad". I would say the opposite, they showed last year that we only see what we need to, much like Brody. We actually have no clue how many people are currently operating in the US.
post #766 of 1773
In the previews they refer to C4.

They wouldn't have to smuggle in assault weapons, there's plenty here to beat guys with only sidearms.

But think about what terrorists have tried since 9/11 -- shoe bombs, underwear bombs and a car bomb in Times Square. They haven't been able to elude all the intelligence agencies of the world, much less take them out.
post #767 of 1773
Gathering a strike unit would be no trouble at all. I'm sure they have plenty of people willing to step in today - and even if they didn't they could hire a few extra gunners easily if they threw enough cash at them. There's lots of people looking for work.
post #768 of 1773
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In the previews they refer to C4.
They wouldn't have to smuggle in assault weapons, there's plenty here to beat guys with only sidearms.
But think about what terrorists have tried since 9/11 -- shoe bombs, underwear bombs and a car bomb in Times Square. They haven't been able to elude all the intelligence agencies of the world, much less take them out.

I dont pay attention much to previews, as they are often misleading on purpose.......Could it have been C4 sure, something different, yes as well........


Again this is NOT real life, this is TV,,,They woulld have gotten away with it, if it wasnt for Dana calling Brody....Until they had Carrie in the field, Brody wasnt even on their radar, neither was Roya.....Do you remember OKC? or numerous fallen soilders overseas??? How long did it take to capture Osama? they have been able to both elude AND take out people from agencies both here and abroad.......With this show though, they can go any way they want really and it wouldnt bother me...
post #769 of 1773
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

In the previews they refer to C4.

That is what I was basing my post off of. Perhaps it is just something misleading.
post #770 of 1773
I still say there's something very wrong with the whole assault team business. That is not Nazir's group's M.O., it has to be someone else. Hezbollah was prominently mentioned, perhaps the reporter has contacts in multiple groups. Also possible that the tailor wasn't actually part of Nazir's group, just a contractor who dealt with others as well.

Nazir couldn't even find anyone to take the tailor to the safehouse, how could he conjure up an assault team on a moment's notice?
I think they are bringing in a whole new group and new threat to security, separate from Nazir.
post #771 of 1773
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I thinks something's not right about that whole swat team invasion. Everything we know about the terrorist organization tells us they don't have the people or capability to pull that off, nor are they likely to carry off their dead.
Either the writers decided to blow off any need for believability or something's afoot that we don't yet know about. That swat team was WAY too well prepared, equipped and executed.
According to the previews, we are to believe that team was after the case of explosives. Perhaps the explosives would have been traced to someone more powerful than a handful of terrorists.

Great point. It hadn't occurred to me that more was going on than what it seemed, but once you mentioned it....What about the attacker who took off his mask and had a long closeup on his face? I had a feeling we were supposed to know him but I couldn't remember seeing him before? Did I miss/.forget something, or were they foreshadowing a future storyline?
post #772 of 1773
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Great point. It hadn't occurred to me that more was going on than what it seemed, but once you mentioned it....What about the attacker who took off his mask and had a long closeup on his face? I had a feeling we were supposed to know him but I couldn't remember seeing him before? Did I miss/.forget something, or were they foreshadowing a future storyline?

He was the guy that the reporter was talking to when the audio wasn't picking up the dialog because of the water fountain in the background. They ran him thru the id databases and could not identify him.
post #773 of 1773
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Great point. It hadn't occurred to me that more was going on than what it seemed, but once you mentioned it....What about the attacker who took off his mask and had a long closeup on his face? I had a feeling we were supposed to know him but I couldn't remember seeing him before? Did I miss/.forget something, or were they foreshadowing a future storyline?

I am sure she has more connections and is able to assemble or get resources.......Wasnt he the man they were following and lost? Im goign to ahve to watch again, but thats what I took from it.......As far as getting the Tailor, it wasnt so much that they couldnt get anyone else to go get him, Brody was the only one they felt who would be able to persuade him to leave...I am sure the Tailor knew what he had and they needed to make sure that thier merchandise remained in tact and safe. Roya explained to Brody, when he asked that very question, she said that Brody was the only one he had met face to face and that the Tailor would only "trust" him........While it may not be 100% believeable. Im just going by what the show has laid down for plot....
post #774 of 1773
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I still say there's something very wrong with the whole assault team business. That is not Nazir's group's M.O.

I totally agree--it completely clashes with the secrecy we've seen so far. Hopefully we'll see just how important the chest was to trigger such a brazen attack.
post #775 of 1773
Not hearing the Conversation because of water falling doesn't cut it. The Spooks have the technology to do some amazing things with audio, if they can see your lips moving they will know what your saying. Even if it's not in real time there are software programs that can clean up the noise. And a pair of Ray Bans isn't going to matter with today's Facial recognition programs. I think the first thing they would do is use her Cell phone as a pickup mic.
There must be something else going on that we don't know about.
I think WMD in that box makes more sense.
post #776 of 1773
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Originally Posted by DNINE View Post

Not hearing the Conversation because of water falling doesn't cut it. The Spooks have the technology to do some amazing things with audio, if they can see your lips moving they will know what your saying. Even if it's not in real time there are software programs that can clean up the noise. And a pair of Ray Bans isn't going to matter with today's Facial recognition programs. I think the first thing they would do is use her Cell phone as a pickup mic.
There must be something else going on that we don't know about.
I think WMD in that box makes more sense.

Definitely agree with this. Heck, NFL coaches and MLB players cover their lips knowing the other side could have lip readers.
post #777 of 1773
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Nazir couldn't even find anyone to take the tailor to the safehouse

Maybe he just wanted to test Brody, to make sure he was still "dedicated"? Kind of like "I know you're a congressman but you still work for me so deal with it"...
post #778 of 1773
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Definitely agree with this. Heck, NFL coaches and MLB players cover their lips knowing the other side could have lip readers.

They only had line of site on her right? So they would only be able to get half the convo, if anything....I am going to have to watch again just to pick up on other things in this episode....I do agree thugh, if it were not for them using this for dramatic effect, then they porbably would ahve brought in a lip reader.....Of course then who could they trust? this is a very closed group since they know there are leaks within the departments....
post #779 of 1773
As usual, I loved this week's Homeland episode. It it's not the best show on TV these days, I don't know what is.

The shootout in the tailor shop was riveting and, to me at least, reasonably plausible. I agree with the hypothesis posited by others that the large case taken from the shop by the "swat team" contained a WMD, probably some kind of nuke. I am not quite ready to subscribe unqualifiedly to the theory that dirty US officials were behind the raid but I am a long from dismissing it.

Finally the renewed connection between Carrie and Brody has been fascinating. Their attraction to and, ultimately, their fondness for each other makes it a tragic love story. After all, how can it not end badly? I am really looking forward to next week.
post #780 of 1773
Yeah I'm still scratching my head of why they don't use lip readers at all, and only rely on the audio they can pick up... 6-7 lives could have been saved... (well if they did talk about storming the tailor shop)
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