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post #841 of 1773
Good episode and I also think Dana is a prime candidate. She was with her Dad when he buried the Koran and also lashed out at her classmates. She is "ripe" literally as she is now fully aware of the hypocrisy around her with the adults and Washington D.C.
post #842 of 1773
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Originally Posted by NorthJersey View Post

I love Homeland, but the showrunners from 24 are starting to inject the implausible ideas from that show into this one. Do you really think the head of a worldwide terrorist organization would risk capture and come into the country that is actively hunting him down? there was a reason why bin Laden ran all of his communique through Afghanistan and Pakistan and not from some area in the US

Do I really think that a former CIA agent would be allowed back? or that a known terrorist would be allowed to stay in office and possibly run for VP? no, but again this is not reality.....
post #843 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Agreed here, personally I really liked this episode as well. Carrie playing the dual role of what is she really feeling very well... (is she playing her role or does she really love him and having her emotions take control)
I do think there is a chance Dana, could be turned, especially now, but her character is too fragile to do any actual act. She may commit suicide, but I doubt she could be turned. Much like her father her personal life is coming apart and when she tries to do the right thing, she gets roadblocked by someone elses agenda....
As far as the helicopter, from the scenes it wasnt silent at all actually it was quite loud, since they were not monitoring air traffic though, at that time they didnt know what to track, the one tracking device they did have was Brodys phone which was disabled. Not sure where you got silent from as it was the main reason they couldnt hear Carrie when she was putting eyes on Brody....
the only one saying it was untrackable is you, we neverr got to see the aftermath of what happened. With the limited resources they are using for this mission, it may be untrackable since it was long gone before they were able to hear Carrie again (which we never got confirmation they could heat her, even after they left.
who says no one would notice? the reason Roya took himw as becasue she checked and his schedule was "wide open". His wife knows he is working for the CIA so he may "dissapear", finding out that Carrie is still a part of his life, after he said she wasnt, will only make her care less about where he is.
it may be jsut me, but it seems you are trying to find things to complain about with this show....I totally udnerstand the need for a counterbalance, but this show seems like its painful for you to watch as you can find nothing good to say at all for the past number of weeks...
Not at all....If you are looking for 100% reality go watch a documentary though.....there are always going to be "convienent plot devices" to move the story along or to keep it going. this show is no where near IMO the level of Lost though.....Watch the last episode before making any judgement though maybe your view will differ...

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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Do I really think that a former CIA agent would be allowed back? or that a known terrorist would be allowed to stay in office and possibly run for VP? no, but again this is not reality.....

Of course Homeland is a TV show! the nitpicking over details and the jumping to the conclusion that the show has been ruined because of excessive implausibility has left me scratching my head. The horrible fixes Carrie and Brody are in and their attempts to find comfort in each other while trying to dig out of their respective holes has been moving and convincing, to me at least. Still believe that Homeland is the best show on television.

I think the chance that Brody's daughter, Dana, might be turned by the terrorists is a whole lot less likely than that she, her mother and her brother, might be kidnapped by Nazir in order to keep pressure on Brody to do what he is told.
post #844 of 1773
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Of course Homeland is a TV show! the nitpicking over details and the jumping to the conclusion that the show has been ruined because of excessive implausibility has left me scratching my head. The horrible fixes Carrie and Brody are in and their attempts to find comfort in each other while trying to dig out of their respective holes has been moving and convincing, to me at least. Still believe that Homeland is the best show on television.
I think the chance that Brody's daughter, Dana, might be turned by the terrorists is a whole lot less likely than that she, her mother and her brother, might be kidnapped by Nazir in order to keep pressure on Brody to do what he is told.

I dont scratch mmy head anymore, there always seem to be a few people who watch week in week out that seem to "hate" all aspects of the show, but still continue to watch....I dont mind criticism but there is a fine line between that and non sensical bashing.....I do agree that Homeland and Dexter have been on the top of thier game this season and are in the tops as far as shows go....
post #845 of 1773
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Score another one for the terrorists! They can now make helicopters completely silent and invisible until they're almost on top of you and then they disappear into the ether, untrackable by any technology our helpless agents have!
Don't fear! Super Agent Carrie will save the day!

larry
post #846 of 1773
All Carrie needs is a red cape and a big "S" on her chest. This stealth helicopter was used on the Bin Laden raid:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/05/army-mission-helocopter-was-secret-stealth-black-hawk-050411/ shhh.
post #847 of 1773
Isn't anyone going to mention the sex scene?
Not the actual Brody/Carrie physical stuff but the hysterical scene back at the covert ops office when they were doing the deed...
Just the looks on the agents faces were priceless when listening to the live audio feed, especially when Quinn turned up the volume for Saul's benefit!
I'm really starting to like Quinn now as he seems to be the only one who's in touch with reality. As far as Carrie constantly disobeying his orders- I think she's completely lost his trust at this point.
post #848 of 1773
All the time they spent there on the clearing would have been enough to have "eyes" on the target, meaning at least a drone flying up high monitoring from above or satelite, they should have been able to track the chopper and everything else
post #849 of 1773
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

All the time they spent there on the clearing would have been enough to have "eyes" on the target, meaning at least a drone flying up high monitoring from above or satelite, they should have been able to track the chopper and everything else

Do they ahve acess to that, getitng a drone would men involving more people, the more people they involve, the more likely it will be known that te operation is going on.....This is a tightly controlled op they are doing (at least tht is how it was explained in the begining)....Which is why they are using follow cars instead of air support to track them.....They didnt know it was a helicopter until it had already left, depending on the traffic, it might be hard to track it after its already departed and you dont know where its going.....
post #850 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Do they ahve acess to that, getitng a drone would men involving more people, the more people they involve, the more likely it will be known that te operation is going on.....This is a tightly controlled op they are doing (at least tht is how it was explained in the begining)....Which is why they are using follow cars instead of air support to track them.....They didnt know it was a helicopter until it had already left, depending on the traffic, it might be hard to track it after its already departed and you dont know where its going.....


I am starting to lose my faith in the script writing. I clearly recall that last year I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would happen with all involved. I am disillusioned by the fact that this "tight knit" crew cannot work with other agencies or somehow has no funding? That is television at it's finest assumption/ storyline deviation.The whole post 9/11 "Patriot act" was designed to not cause this cockup within. In the real world when I was still involved in day to day operations with both EMS and Fire supression we were given just about everything especially training from the Feds we requested. As long as it was deemed feasible in prevention and related to terrorist acts since we as Firefighter/Paramedics are designated "targets "now with secondary devices designed to kill us resonding to an "active incident". If a local agency can receive with a request funding you are telling me that agents within the CIA on an "active mission" would not receive a request for a helicopter? This is not the 1960's with "spies running amok"and not knowing what the other parties are doing. There is a lot of sharing within agencies, you would not believe how many warnings we would receive from the FBI and go on "tactical alert" and the "public" to this day has clue on what is occurring around them. wink.gif
post #851 of 1773
Of course you are bringing real life experience into a fictional show.....If I scrutinzed every use of a computer on TV or in Movies Id go bonkers (Im in the IT industry).....What people seem to ahve a tough time doing (especially when they have been involved in a related field of work) is seperating what really goes on, from what goes on during a TV\movie. Not everything is going to be 100% realiztic, if you want that go watch a documentary, there are going to be plots and scenes where they writers\directors\ect use "implausible" things to move the plot forward....Do you really want to watch a show were people shuffle paperwork back and forth between the agencies?

As far as not workign with other agencies, they stated this at the begining of the OP and everyone seems to have missed this, they said they were not telling anyone besides those that needed to know, which was the people directly involved within the operation. Estes mentioned that hed lose his job over this when discussing it with Saul, Saul mentioned he was going to get fired for missing Brody and almost having a major terrorist event occur....They agreed to keep it "tight" thus funding and personel are bare bones.If the show didnt do this,,They are not sharing within their own agency much less others..... beofre it all began I can see where people would take issue with whats going on..

You'd be surprised what I believe and dont believe goes on, and Ill just leave it at that wink.gif

sorry for the spelling and grammar, its late\early biggrin.gif
post #852 of 1773
While this season remains interesting, I don't find it nearly as compelling as the first season. The entire Dana/Finn hit-and-run sideshow seems completely superfluous to the main plot, and feels like it belongs in a script of a daytime soap. I hope it ties into the main story somehow, and isn't just there as filler material showcasing moral ambiguity or the disintegration of Brody's family life.
post #853 of 1773
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Originally Posted by tezster View Post

While this season remains interesting, I don't find it nearly as compelling as the first season. The entire Dana/Finn hit-and-run sideshow seems completely superfluous to the main plot, and feels like it belongs in a script of a daytime soap. I hope it ties into the main story somehow, and isn't just there as filler material showcasing moral ambiguity or the disintegration of Brody's family life.

so you're saying the Dana/Finn hit and run is on par with Kim and the Cougar from 24 ??? :-)
post #854 of 1773
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Originally Posted by tezster View Post

While this season remains interesting, I don't find it nearly as compelling as the first season. The entire Dana/Finn hit-and-run sideshow seems completely superfluous to the main plot, and feels like it belongs in a script of a daytime soap. I hope it ties into the main story somehow, and isn't just there as filler material showcasing moral ambiguity or the disintegration of Brody's family life.


I would guess it is possible that Dana's ongoing disaffection with "the system" might have a bigger role intended for the future.  Possibly even attempting to help her father or similar complications.  Personally, I hope not.

post #855 of 1773
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Isn't anyone going to mention the sex scene?
Not the actual Brody/Carrie physical stuff but the hysterical scene back at the covert ops office when they were doing the deed...
Just the looks on the agents faces were priceless when listening to the live audio feed, especially when Quinn turned up the volume for Saul's benefit!
I'm really starting to like Quinn now as he seems to be the only one who's in touch with reality. As far as Carrie constantly disobeying his orders- I think she's completely lost his trust at this point.

Agreed. That whole scene, and the deadpan way it was directed/acted, was hilarious.
post #856 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post


I would guess it is possible that Dana's ongoing disaffection with "the system" might have a bigger role intended for the future.  Possibly even attempting to help her father or similar complications.  Personally, I hope not.

Well, I think Dana getting involved with the terrorists' plot in some fashion via direct contact by Nazir, with Brody being put in a position to sacrifice her daughter, or 'talk her out of it', in a role-reversal from last season's finale would be a pretty exciting turn of events smile.gif
post #857 of 1773
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Originally Posted by tezster View Post

Well, I think Dana getting involved with the terrorists' plot in some fashion via direct contact by Nazir, with Brody being put in a position to sacrifice her daughter, or 'talk her out of it', in a role-reversal from last season's finale would be a pretty exciting turn of events smile.gif

Eventually the Dana subplot will tie into the Nazir storyline, probably involving some kind of blackmail plot. They wouldn't have spent so much time on it if not.

Since the show is filmed here in Charlotte, it's fun to try and recognize all the local landmarks, parks, office buildings, etc. where they've filmed various scenes. Once or twice a season they go into downtown and disrupt the flow of normal traffic for half a day or so. Nobody much minds; it's kind of cool to see all the production trucks and personnel and how efficient they are. It's a well-oiled machine.
post #858 of 1773

Local filming is interesting when you live near the sets.  I used to enjoy watching Homicide being filmed in downtown Baltimore and still show some of the main buildings to visiting friends who were diehard fans of the show.

post #859 of 1773
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Originally Posted by NorthJersey View Post

I love Homeland, but the showrunners from 24 are starting to inject the implausible ideas from that show into this one. Do you really think the head of a worldwide terrorist organization would risk capture and come into the country that is actively hunting him down? there was a reason why bin Laden ran all of his communique through Afghanistan and Pakistan and not from some area in the US

This is my biggest fear, that the 24 showrunners are going to try to duplicate their massive failures in an attempt to be "Even More Sensational!". The first season was one of the smartest shows I have ever watched - this season is quickly turning into melodrama and ridiculousness. Not to mention that this last episode was complete wheel spinning - not a single scene truly advanced the plot or told us anything new about any of the characters.

We shall see.
Edited by kromkamp - 11/22/12 at 8:23am
post #860 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Good episode and I also think Dana is a prime candidate. She was with her Dad when he buried the Koran and also lashed out at her classmates. She is "ripe" literally as she is now fully aware of the hypocrisy around her with the adults and Washington D.C.

Here is a good example of something that would cause me to stop watching the show immediately. If seeing that "the system isn't fair" is all that it would take for the daughter to go rogue, it cheapens and trivializes the whole trauma of what Brody went through.
post #861 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

Local filming is interesting when you live near the sets.  I used to enjoy watching Homicide being filmed in downtown Baltimore and still show some of the main buildings to visiting friends who were diehard fans of the show.

cool.gif Did 'The Wire' film in Baltimore also? Never saw it during its run but have the DVD set sitting on the shelf waiting for a rainy month. I hear it's pretty good. wink.gif
post #862 of 1773
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Originally Posted by kromkamp View Post


Here is a good example of something that would cause me to stop watching the show immediately. If seeing that "the system isn't fair" is all that it would take for the daughter to go rogue, it cheapens and trivializes the whole trauma of what Brody went through.


I agree, which is why I said "I hope not" in reference to that story line.

post #863 of 1773
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post


cool.gif Did 'The Wire' film in Baltimore also? Never saw it during its run but have the DVD set sitting on the shelf waiting for a rainy month. I hear it's pretty good. wink.gif


Yes, it filmed in Baltimore and uses its 5 seasons to focus on a single facet of life in each one (like Education, Media, Drugs, etc).  I always thought it was as good as Homicide and better in some ways, though it is quite complex.  It's complexity, which requires a slower telling of its tale, was its most fascinating aspect and its most criticized by those who need/want instant gratification.  It's a show well worth the effort IMO for those who can really watch it and absorb its intricacies.  Be warned though, once you start, you probably won't stop.  It is unsparing in its viewpoint and its depiction of the city and its ills.

post #864 of 1773
Thread Starter 
Damn! Tremendous episode.
post #865 of 1773
I'm guessing that F Murray Abrams wasn't hired to sit on a bus for 15 seconds screen time. Will be interesting to see where that goes.
post #866 of 1773
Great episode, we knew Quinn was up to more than it seemed (queue Transformers theme).....It WAS surprising to see that Estes put out a hit on Brody without the knowledge of the rest of the group.....cant wait to see how this season ends, its really been hitting for me on different levels....
post #867 of 1773
Excellent, tense episode, on par with last season really. I have a feeling that Nazir is playing them, or at least has a backup plan of some kind.

To add to the discussion about Dana becoming a terrorist, I really really don't see it. I think what will happen next season is this: Estes plot to assassinate Brody will fail. His ass is in deep trouble. He can't admit to Walden (the current VP) that Brody was a terrorist without coming clean that he kept Walden in the dark and put his life in danger. Brody somehow stays on as VP candidate, and he leaks the scandal with Walden's son's hit and run, destroying Walden, and perhaps becoming president. Far-fetched I know.
post #868 of 1773
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

Excellent, tense episode, on par with last season really. I have a feeling that Nazir is playing them, or at least has a backup plan of some kind.
To add to the discussion about Dana becoming a terrorist, I really really don't see it. I think what will happen next season is this: Estes plot to assassinate Brody will fail. His ass is in deep trouble. He can't admit to Walden (the current VP) that Brody was a terrorist without coming clean that he kept Walden in the dark and put his life in danger. Brody somehow stays on as VP candidate, and he leaks the scandal with Walden's son's hit and run, destroying Walden, and perhaps becoming president. Far-fetched I know.

Im going to say the payload is "light" and that Nazir def has a backup plan......It just seemdd to easy to get them with all the secrecy the have had in the past.....
post #869 of 1773
Great show last night with a lot of twists and turns. So Quinn is more than he seems,eh? He appears to be part of a very deep Black Ops team whose existence is a well kept secret and whose chief (F. Murray Abraham's character) must be thought to be out of the game by company regulars like Saul. If they had been able to take out Abu Nazir, killing Brody made absolute sense. He is the ultimate loose end who could blow the lid off too many dark and dirty secrets within the CIA by merely saying the wrong thing to the wrong person, even if he is placed in some kind of "witness protection" type program. He's such a wild card that he could even slip that kind of cocoon. He could destroy any chance of Walden gaining the White House and being the CIA's ultimate patron. Perhaps the other reason for killing him may be that he is, after all, a traitor, and in the eyes of some, deserves nothing less than extra-judiclal summary execution. With Nazir, seemiingly, realizing that Brody bertrayed him and led to his tream and Roya being rolled up, the final couple of shows this season are really going to be intense. How Carrie reacts to whatever is coming and what the Company does about that could only add to that. She is as much of a wild card as Brody is. This is sophistiicated, complex writing and that is rarely seen on TV these days.
post #870 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

Local filming is interesting when you live near the sets.  I used to enjoy watching Homicide being filmed in downtown Baltimore and still show some of the main buildings to visiting friends who were diehard fans of the show.

They flashed a motel sign in last weeks episode, the one with the sex scene. It said Chaptico Bay Motel. The wife and were shocked and had to rewind it to be sure. We live next to Chaptico Bay in Maryland. It's a small isolated swamp with a few farms 1 hour south of DC. It's the only Chaptico Bay in the world and there's no motel or any business of any kind. Pretty wierd coincidence.
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