or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Philharmonic Audio - Dennis Murphy
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Philharmonic Audio - Dennis Murphy - Page 51

post #1501 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by azb120 View Post

How to interpret it?.... for the novices like me..

It's very difficult to interpret FR measurements made with different systems. I've attached a plot I took of one of the speakers I sent to Nuance measured in anechoic mode (no room effects--just the inherent response of the speaker itself) made at 20 degrees off-axis horizontally, which is about where you would be listening if the speakers were pointed straight ahead. There's a little depression just above 3 kHz, which compensates for a rising response in that area when you get further off-axis horizontally.
LL
post #1502 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The easy answers are:

1) Measurements aren't everything. Duh!
2) Your amps aren't powerful enough. Hello? Don't you know you need $10,000 monoblocks to sound good?

The sad thing is, I can't even find a single Wilson Audio speaker with on-axis and off-axis FR that look as good as a pair of $300 Infinity P362.

The same can be said for B&W, Zu Audio, and many other speakers.

But measurements aren't everything, and dang it, didn't I tell you they need 800wpc $20,000 amps to sound their best?

But the reason we are here on this thread is because we believe in speakers that not only sound superb, but measure superbly.

lol nice
post #1503 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by azb120 View Post

I just spoke with Dennis and upgraded to 2s...its not a big differenceand i might not be able to tell the difference right away but just wanted to get the ones with RAAL...

That is great news! Congratulations to you! The RAAL is really something special.
post #1504 of 4611
Between the Phil2 and the Phi3, is it an obvious and consistence difference in the low end when playing most music, etc? Or is it only evident only during very low bass situations like an explosion in a video game, etc? My back wall is only 13 feet across so if I went with this type of speaker, I think the Phil 2 maybe better, though I hate to lose too much low end. I like my bass
post #1505 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Between the Phil2 and the Phi3, is it an obvious and consistence difference in the low end when playing most music, etc? Or is it only evident only during very low bass situations like an explosion in a video game, etc? My back wall is only 13 feet across so if I went with this type of speaker, I think the Phil 2 maybe better, though I hate to lose too much low end. I like my bass

Just noticed the tweeter is different too..which one would have more "sparkle"?
post #1506 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuance View Post


That is great news! Congratulations to you! The RAAL is really something special.

Thanks , did you play with the Phil's !? I know you can't give a detailed review just yet but how do you like em ?
post #1507 of 4611
Truwarrior, it would seem you will likely prefer the Philharmonic 3.

No difference in tweeter, the Phil 2 page does not list the full name but they are both RAAL 70-10D. From the Philharmonic 3 page:

The BG Neo8 planar midrange and RAAL 10D ribbon tweeter are carried over from the Philharmonic 2.
post #1508 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by azb120 View Post

Thanks , did you play with the Phil's !? I know you can't give a detailed review just yet but how do you like em ?

I listened to them quite a bit since getting everything dialed in yesterday. However, my lips are sealed until after this weekend. Sorry.

truwarrior22,

I have a suckout in my room if I run the Phil 2's full range (stupid room acoustics), but after it rises back up the Phil 2's go down into the mid 20's flat before rolling off hard. I don't think you'll miss much unless the room is very large.
post #1509 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I listened to them quite a bit since getting everything dialed in yesterday. However, my lips are sealed until after this weekend. Sorry.

truwarrior22,

I have a suckout in my room if I run the Phil 2's full range (stupid room acoustics), but after it rises back up the Phil 2's go down into the mid 20's flat before rolling off hard. I don't think you'll miss much unless the room is very large.

Hi There's an important distinction between output and quality. The 2's will be throwing out a whole lot of harmonic distortion if pushed at the low end. The Scans in the 3 will be much cleaner, and will provide a more solid, clear foundation. But that's only true for bass below, say, 38 Hz. Your choice of music, room size, and playback volume will dictate whether the 3's are worth the extra cost.
post #1510 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Hi There's an important distinction between output and quality. The 2's will be throwing out a whole lot of harmonic distortion if pushed at the low end. The Scans in the 3 will be much cleaner, and will provide a more solid, clear foundation. But that's only true for bass below, say, 38 Hz. Your choice of music, room size, and playback volume will dictate whether the 3's are worth the extra cost.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. My apologies if my post was misleading.
post #1511 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Oh yeah, I totally agree. My apologies if my post was misleading.

I just didn't want people to get the idea that measurements with room gain will tell the whole story about woofer performance. It's easy to forget about distortion.
post #1512 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I just didn't want people to get the idea that measurements with room gain will tell the whole story about woofer performance. It's easy to forget about distortion.

Right on. I didn't and don't plan to post them, mainly due to that. The measurements posted were with my subwoofers.
post #1513 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I went to a dealer in Vegas who had $20,000 speakers set up with two $25,000 mono blocks. WTF!

I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.
post #1514 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post


I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

That guys must have been trippin' hard.
post #1515 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

I think he sells bridges also? I may have bought the Brooklyn Bridge from him.
post #1516 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post


I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P
post #1517 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

Did you start laughing uncontrollably?
post #1518 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

It's very difficult to interpret FR measurements made with different systems. I've attached a plot I took of one of the speakers I sent to Nuance measured in anechoic mode (no room effects--just the inherent response of the speaker itself) made at 20 degrees off-axis horizontally, which is about where you would be listening if the speakers were pointed straight ahead. There's a little depression just above 3 kHz, which compensates for a rising response in that area when you get further off-axis horizontally.

I like it
post #1519 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

I hope those mono amps are matched to each other.
post #1520 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I listened to them quite a bit since getting everything dialed in yesterday. However, my lips are sealed until after this weekend. Sorry.

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.
post #1521 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc1 View Post

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

That is an insult to Dennis Murphy actually (the commission or discount remark) and for the record he is listening to my speakers. I visited Dennis but I am not about to bias anyone going into this GT. By the way, I have also had Ascend's but not the tower and am looking forward to hearing them. My guess is I will like most of the speakers there.
post #1522 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

I think the exact quote was along the lines of (paraphrasing here) "oh, speakers don't matter. they're just a way to hear the electronics.. you just pick whichever one sounds fine and then you can audition electronics you want to hear through them"

Quote:
Did you start laughing uncontrollably?

No, I stayed polite. And inside my heart I thought "God bless this poor, confused soul"
post #1523 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc1 View Post

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

I dont know anything about Nuance , but i am not sure how anyone can presume he hasnt heard the speakers . Just because one doesn't own a pair doesnt mean one has never heard them before. I can't speak for anyone , but how much time one actually spends before making a decision to buy a pair of speakers? a couple of hours in a B&M store , plus some online research.
All i am humbly saying is that how do you know he never heard these speakers before ? With what little interaction i had with Dennis , I find it hard to believe there is any comission or discount involved here....
post #1524 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc1 View Post

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers.

I can't claim to visit every forum out there, but as far as the four I can think of (AVS, Audioholics, HTS, and AC) Nuance has been around for a long ass time.

He's also heard his fair share of Dennis' speakers and has a very good idea of what Dennis is all about. I don't know exactly which ones, but I think the Soundscapes, HT2s, and Songtowers are on that list.

Dennis also supplied adequate objective information to have an idea of what these speakers offer. And yes, measurements do matter.

It seems to me, however, that you've got a personal issue with him, given that at least 4 out of your 11 posts here, are dedicated to attacking him.

Quote:
i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

This is an attack on Dennis' integrity, and totally unwarranted.
post #1525 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc1 View Post

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

No discount, no commission, and I don't even have a pair of my own (they are Randy's and were sent for our GTG). I've heard most of Dennis' work with the Salk speakers, so why would the Philharmonic's be much different? They are all very accurate speakers with no "house" sound, plus I have seen the measurements and know how to correlate those to mind. I haven't registered on any forum simply to post about the Philharmonic speakers; I was already a member. Please do your homework before making false accusations. If you do not like the attention the Philharmonic speakers are getting I can't help you, but badgering me isn't going to help. If you have an issue with me, well, I don't know what to tell you; I'm not going anywhere. This is the second time in this thread that you've tried to entice me into getting involved in an argument with you, but it won't work.
post #1526 of 4611
Well, I might add that I have read nothing but praise about Dennis' work with people and speaker design. I can personally add that Nuance is an upstanding guy as well and respected throughout and I know him personally. And, with his help and direction, I eventually found some of the best sounding speakers around for the money!!!!


One more thought, no one cares for negativity in a thread. We are all here to inquire, learn and share about the Philharmonic line of speakers.

I also know Dennis personally and could trust him totally with anything he tells me as with Nuance!
post #1527 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by randy bessinger View Post

that is an insult to dennis murphy actually (the commission or discount remark) and for the record he is listening to my speakers. I visited dennis but i am not about to bias anyone going into this gt. By the way, i have also had ascend's but not the tower and am looking forward to hearing them. My guess is i will like most of the speakers there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal velocity View Post

i can't claim to visit every forum out there, but as far as the four i can think of (avs, audioholics, hts, and ac) nuance has been around for a long ass time.

He's also heard his fair share of dennis' speakers and has a very good idea of what dennis is all about. I don't know exactly which ones, but i think the soundscapes, ht2s, and songtowers are on that list.

Dennis also supplied adequate objective information to have an idea of what these speakers offer. And yes, measurements do matter.

It seems to me, however, that you've got a personal issue with him, given that at least 4 out of your 11 posts here, are dedicated to attacking him.



This is an attack on dennis' integrity, and totally unwarranted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nuance View Post

no discount, no commission, and i don't even have a pair of my own (they are randy's and were sent for our gtg). I've heard most of dennis' work with the salk speakers, so why would the philharmonic's be much different? They are all very accurate speakers with no "house" sound, plus i have seen the measurements and know how to correlate those to mind. I haven't registered on any forum simply to post about the philharmonic speakers; i was already a member. Please do your homework before making false accusations. If you do not like the attention the philharmonic speakers are getting i can't help you, but badgering me isn't going to help. If you have an issue with me, well, i don't know what to tell you; i'm not going anywhere. This is the second time in this thread that you've tried to entice me into getting involved in an argument with you, but it won't work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

well, i might add that i have read nothing but praise about dennis' work with people and speaker design. I can personally add that nuance is an upstanding guy as well and respected throughout and i know him personally. And, with his help and direction, i eventually found some of the best sounding speakers around for the money!!!!


one more thought, no one cares for negativity in a thread. We are all here to inquire, learn and share about the philharmonic line of speakers.

I also know dennis personally and could trust him totally with anything he tells me as with nuance!

+1!
post #1528 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc1 View Post

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Jeffc1,

If you continue to post personal attacks, you need to be banned from this forum. When you have something concrete to contribute or some informed opinion, post away. Otherwise, please stay away. You seem to have your own personal agenda here, for whatever reason, and it is neither respectful nor appreciated.

Mud
post #1529 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

Yeah, but what cables are you using?
post #1530 of 4611
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudslide View Post

jeffc1,

if you continue to post personal attacks, you need to be banned from this forum. When you have something concrete to contribute or some informed opinion, post away. Otherwise, please stay away. You seem to have your own personal agenda here, for whatever reason, and it is neither respectful nor appreciated.

Mud

+1
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Speakers
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Philharmonic Audio - Dennis Murphy