Philharmonic Audio - Dennis Murphy - Page 51

Originally Posted by azb120

How to interpret it?.... for the novices like me..

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy

The easy answers are:

1) Measurements aren't everything. Duh!
2) Your amps aren't powerful enough. Hello? Don't you know you need $10,000 monoblocks to sound good?

The sad thing is, I can't even find a single Wilson Audio speaker with on-axis and off-axis FR that look as good as a pair of $300 Infinity P362.

The same can be said for B&W, Zu Audio, and many other speakers.

But measurements aren't everything, and dang it, didn't I tell you they need 800wpc $20,000 amps to sound their best?

But the reason we are here on this thread is because we believe in speakers that not only sound superb, but measure superbly.

Originally Posted by azb120

I just spoke with Dennis and upgraded to 2s...its not a big differenceand i might not be able to tell the difference right away but just wanted to get the ones with RAAL...

Originally Posted by truwarrior22

Between the Phil2 and the Phi3, is it an obvious and consistence difference in the low end when playing most music, etc? Or is it only evident only during very low bass situations like an explosion in a video game, etc? My back wall is only 13 feet across so if I went with this type of speaker, I think the Phil 2 maybe better, though I hate to lose too much low end. I like my bass

Originally Posted by Nuance


That is great news! Congratulations to you! The RAAL is really something special.

Originally Posted by azb120

Thanks , did you play with the Phil's !? I know you can't give a detailed review just yet but how do you like em ?

Originally Posted by Nuance

I listened to them quite a bit since getting everything dialed in yesterday. However, my lips are sealed until after this weekend. Sorry.

truwarrior22,

I have a suckout in my room if I run the Phil 2's full range (stupid room acoustics), but after it rises back up the Phil 2's go down into the mid 20's flat before rolling off hard. I don't think you'll miss much unless the room is very large.

Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy

Hi There's an important distinction between output and quality. The 2's will be throwing out a whole lot of harmonic distortion if pushed at the low end. The Scans in the 3 will be much cleaner, and will provide a more solid, clear foundation. But that's only true for bass below, say, 38 Hz. Your choice of music, room size, and playback volume will dictate whether the 3's are worth the extra cost.

Originally Posted by Nuance

Oh yeah, I totally agree. My apologies if my post was misleading.

Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy

I just didn't want people to get the idea that measurements with room gain will tell the whole story about woofer performance. It's easy to forget about distortion.

Originally Posted by Monkish54

I went to a dealer in Vegas who had $20,000 speakers set up with two $25,000 mono blocks. WTF!

Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity


I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity

I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity


I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity

I once went to a dealer who told me that speakers don't even really matter, since it's the CD Player, Preamp, and amp that dictate the sound quality... the speakers are the least important part of the signal chain.

Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy

It's very difficult to interpret FR measurements made with different systems. I've attached a plot I took of one of the speakers I sent to Nuance measured in anechoic mode (no room effects--just the inherent response of the speaker itself) made at 20 degrees off-axis horizontally, which is about where you would be listening if the speakers were pointed straight ahead. There's a little depression just above 3 kHz, which compensates for a rising response in that area when you get further off-axis horizontally.

Originally Posted by Monkish54

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

Originally Posted by Nuance

I listened to them quite a bit since getting everything dialed in yesterday. However, my lips are sealed until after this weekend. Sorry.

Originally Posted by jeffc1

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Originally Posted by Monkish54

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

Did you start laughing uncontrollably?

Originally Posted by jeffc1

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Originally Posted by jeffc1

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers.

i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Originally Posted by jeffc1

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Originally Posted by randy bessinger

that is an insult to dennis murphy actually (the commission or discount remark) and for the record he is listening to my speakers. I visited dennis but i am not about to bias anyone going into this gt. By the way, i have also had ascend's but not the tower and am looking forward to hearing them. My guess is i will like most of the speakers there.

Originally Posted by eternal velocity

i can't claim to visit every forum out there, but as far as the four i can think of (avs, audioholics, hts, and ac) nuance has been around for a long ass time.

He's also heard his fair share of dennis' speakers and has a very good idea of what dennis is all about. I don't know exactly which ones, but i think the soundscapes, ht2s, and songtowers are on that list.

Dennis also supplied adequate objective information to have an idea of what these speakers offer. And yes, measurements do matter.

It seems to me, however, that you've got a personal issue with him, given that at least 4 out of your 11 posts here, are dedicated to attacking him.



This is an attack on dennis' integrity, and totally unwarranted.

Originally Posted by nuance

no discount, no commission, and i don't even have a pair of my own (they are randy's and were sent for our gtg). I've heard most of dennis' work with the salk speakers, so why would the philharmonic's be much different? They are all very accurate speakers with no "house" sound, plus i have seen the measurements and know how to correlate those to mind. I haven't registered on any forum simply to post about the philharmonic speakers; i was already a member. Please do your homework before making false accusations. If you do not like the attention the philharmonic speakers are getting i can't help you, but badgering me isn't going to help. If you have an issue with me, well, i don't know what to tell you; i'm not going anywhere. This is the second time in this thread that you've tried to entice me into getting involved in an argument with you, but it won't work.

Originally Posted by woodsart

well, i might add that i have read nothing but praise about dennis' work with people and speaker design. I can personally add that nuance is an upstanding guy as well and respected throughout and i know him personally. And, with his help and direction, i eventually found some of the best sounding speakers around for the money!!!!


one more thought, no one cares for negativity in a thread. We are all here to inquire, learn and share about the philharmonic line of speakers.

I also know dennis personally and could trust him totally with anything he tells me as with nuance!

Originally Posted by jeffc1

you have already registered for every AV forum to advertise the speakers. registered where ever any user review's the speakers just to thank them. alll done without even hearing the speakers so my question is why hold back now? i really hope you got a good discount or commission structure.

Originally Posted by Monkish54

He picked the wrong guy to say that to! :P

He's right!!! That's why I have a pair of $25,000 Mono amps (with very close specs & measurments to a $900 amp) and Radio Shack speakers! You'd be amazed by how great my system sounds! :P

Originally Posted by mudslide

jeffc1,

if you continue to post personal attacks, you need to be banned from this forum. When you have something concrete to contribute or some informed opinion, post away. Otherwise, please stay away. You seem to have your own personal agenda here, for whatever reason, and it is neither respectful nor appreciated.

Mud