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post #2971 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

In that sized space at "loud" levels I would get the external amp if it was me. Dynamic scenes and transients in music can push to well over 250 watts depending on how loud you listen, so better safe than sorry. $2000 should yield you a very nice amp. I recommend ATI, Parasound (Halo series - such as the A21), AVA and Wyred4Sound. You could also go with a pro amp if that's your forte. Some claim there's no audible difference, while others swear there is. Fortunately only you have to decide whether there is or isn't.


No love for D-Sonic?
post #2972 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

What is this power of which you speak? I've heard rumors about harnessing electron flows to generate heat, light, and even cooling effects, but surely that is crazy talk.

Yikes. That stinks big time.

I'm picturing hooking up a treadmill to a generator, put Ben on it with a squirrel in front.........you'll have all the power you need.biggrin.gif:D
post #2973 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I think you're confused. Read up on transient peaks and "headroom." It gets "thrown around" because it is important.

What do you mean?

I'm always confused. eek.gif

Yes, he needs a bad a$$ ATI amp. What was I thinking? eek.gif

Almost loss my man-card there. That was close! biggrin.gif
post #2974 of 4611
I'm about 2 and a half from Dennis Murphys house, maybe I'll swing by and fix his power line problem biggrin.gif
post #2975 of 4611
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Originally Posted by loopaddiction View Post

Thoughts on dropping $2,000 for a 5-channel power amplifier (to be connected to a Denon 4311CI) used for a full Philharmonic 5 speaker set-up? Justifiable or waste of money?

I run an external amp from my front 3, let the denon handle the rest - 14x20x9 sealed room, soul crushing volumes. I have the denon 4311 and it really is as good as everyone says. I dont believe there is any value in amping the surround channels if that helps your thought process. I have an emotiva xpa3 and I doubt I could tell the difference if I took it out. As an experiment I have crown xlr 1500 as well...while the crown was more effort to setup...it was nice as well.

I ripped and replaced about 10 receivers in the last 5 months and im tired of it honestly...run the denon 4311 straight...if it doesnt do it for you juice the channels +3db like ADG said....if not then go buy a 2 channel amp for the phils.

Use a good sub...part of getting to 11 is letting a sub do the dirty work so you dont bottom out your center channel or mains early...

The price/awesome ratio on the phils is untouchable. Kudos Dennis. I regularly have 20k+ speaker guys over and they are pretty pissed off at themselves for other purchases.
post #2976 of 4611
Waiting to see the now look of the phil's
post #2977 of 4611
We'll take pics at the show, assuming I ever get power back and can get things together. Meanwhile, if Del sees this and wants to post his, he can go ahead. Again--the change is not a big deal.
post #2978 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Yikes. That stinks big time.
I'm picturing hooking up a treadmill to a generator, put Ben on it with a squirrel in front.........you'll have all the power you need.biggrin.gif:D

That sounds more like a recipe for a Hot Dog than a power source. I'm bored.
post #2979 of 4611
Happy Days Are Here Again, Good Cheer Again.........

Yesssssssss. The lights are aglo, and the Internet is internetting, despite all of the Fios wires being down. It's great to have Bill Gates back. Forward.
post #2980 of 4611
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

I'm about 2 and a half from Dennis Murphys house, maybe I'll swing by and fix his power line problem biggrin.gif

I'm likely about 2.5 days from Dennis, or I would help him, too.

Coincidentally, yesterday I reconstructed an electrical service on a home where a tree limb came down and tore the riser and meter off the side of the house. It was 100+ degrees.eek.gif By the time I finished and ComEd reconnected her power, it was the end of the day for me. Sadly, her thermostat would not even light up. The furnace controls must have taken a hit when the power came down. So now she has power but is still w/o air conditioning. She will need to get on some heating contractor's list. If I had more time, I would have checked further for her....kind of wish I had--it was an insurance claim anyway. OTOH, if a control board was fried, it would have been beyond me anyway.

Marv
post #2981 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Happy Days Are Here Again, Good Cheer Again.........
Yesssssssss. The lights are aglo, and the Internet is internetting, despite all of the Fios wires being down. It's great to have Bill Gates back. Forward.

Woohoo! Now you can get your show (CAF) on the road!! smile.gif

No more time to be bored!
post #2982 of 4611
Okay guys and gals. Since Dennis gave me the approval to post a picture, here it is. These are for a customer who was the very first to order the new style. He was gracious enough to let Dennis use them at CAF. They're stained ribbon mahogany.

Phil3-II.JPG 1019k .JPG file
post #2983 of 4611
Hope the picture is visible. Let's try again.
700
post #2984 of 4611
The new Phil3 looks very nice.
post #2985 of 4611
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The new Phil3 looks very nice.

I'm not sure you can see it clearly from the pic, but the main change is a slightly sloped front end. This version continues the slope at the rear of the bass module, so it's a parallelogram rather than a rectangle. Future versions will probably just have the slope on the front.
post #2986 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I'm not sure you can see it clearly from the pic, but the main change is a slightly sloped front end. This version continues the slope at the rear of the bass module, so it's a parallelogram rather than a rectangle. Future versions will probably just have the slope on the front.

Did that simplify the crossover?
post #2987 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

Did that simplify the crossover?

No--there's not enough slope to make a meaninful difference in the tweeter and midrange acoustic centers relative to each other.
post #2988 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Happy Days Are Here Again, Good Cheer Again.........
Yesssssssss. The lights are aglo, and the Internet is internetting, despite all of the Fios wires being down. It's great to have Bill Gates back. Forward.

Yea!

I'm looking forward to seeing you again at CAF (like last year I can only make it a day trip on Sunday).
Edited by Saturn94 - 7/9/12 at 6:57pm
post #2989 of 4611
I should have a glazed expression by then, but hopefully I'll be alert enough to recognize you. Looking forward to it.
post #2990 of 4611
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Originally Posted by kokishin View Post

No love for D-Sonic?

I never said that. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

What do you mean?
I'm always confused. eek.gif
Yes, he needs a bad a$$ ATI amp. What was I thinking? eek.gif
Almost loss my man-card there. That was close! biggrin.gif

You know what I mean. smile.gif A friend of a friend hooked up an average (RMS) and peak reading meter at RMAF one year, and while the average readings at listening levels under 90dB were 5 to 8 watts RMS per channel, peak readings hit over 250 during transients such as drum hits and such. Now just imagine how much those peak power readings would be at even louder listening levels. When said transients occur amplifier clipping is likely to occur as well, unless your amp can provide ample power, of course. In this case, the Denon cannot offer 250+ watts into 8 ohms, hence my recommendation for an external amp with more power, especially given the room size and the OP's listening levels. If he watched movies and listened to music at quiet levels he'd be fine, but based on what he said it's very possible a speaker such as the Philharmonics will cause the Denon to clip. If the Phil's were 98dB+ sensitive he'd have no issues, but they aren't. Better to be safe than sorry...so yeah - get an ATI or comparable beefy amp and be done with it. biggrin.gif
post #2991 of 4611
hey fellas, can't wait to CAF, I'm only driving down to listen to the Phil's. I've never heard them before and am excited. Ought to be a blast...
post #2992 of 4611
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Better to be safe than sorry...so yeah - get an ATI or comparable beefy amp and be done with it. biggrin.gif

Can't argue with that.

When HTM reviewed the Salon2, they asked Kevin Voecks to pick an amp from their equipment list. Kevin Voecks picked a 150wpc ATI amp. biggrin.gif

I bet it has some headroom. biggrin.gif
post #2993 of 4611
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Originally Posted by jclif77 View Post

hey fellas, can't wait to CAF, I'm only driving down to listen to the Phil's. I've never heard them before and am excited. Ought to be a blast...

We look forward your in-depth review! biggrin.gif
post #2994 of 4611
The new cabs look nice, not drastically different, but a welcome change.

Question: Are the sensitivity ratings on the Philharmonic website anechoic measurements?
post #2995 of 4611
Hi They're based on anechoic on-axis measurements. But they seem to hold up in actual listening, at least in relative terms. My A-B switch box is calibrated in roughly 1/2 step gradations, and the difference in settings between the 2 and 3 pretty much correspond to the difference in sensitivity ratings.
post #2996 of 4611
Hi I just wanted to invite anyone in the Washington, D.C. area to stop by the Capital Audio Fest, and to pay me a visit Friday - Sunday.
http://www.capitalaudiofest.com/

I spent the day trying out some great new electronics that Frank Van Alstine sent, which includes a brand new
state-of-the-art switching machine that compares just about anything--speakers, amps, preamps--instantly and with volume compensation. It's all done at the line level without the need for any switching boxes. I'll have it set up
to compare the Phil 2's and Phil 3's, and whatever else I might have on hand. Hope to see you at da show.
post #2997 of 4611
Sweet. I've read about that abx box he made.

What electronics are you demoing the speakers with? Did Frank send down any Fet Valve equipment? The Insight +500 I've got sounded great with the 2's. I bet some of his Fet Valve equipment would sound even better.
post #2998 of 4611
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Sweet. I've read about that abx box he made.
What electronics are you demoing the speakers with? Did Frank send down any Fet Valve equipment? The Insight +500 I've got sounded great with the 2's. I bet some of his Fet Valve equipment would sound even better.

Hi. Frank sent me a brand new spanking Fet Valve 600R amp, Fet Valve preamp, and Fet Valve DAC. I think the amp puts out something like 300 watts per channel. I hooked everything up today, and all I can say is that I'm looking forward to letting other people hear the combo this weekend. Frank also sent a
Synergy 450 solid state amplifier, which I will also try to put into the mix. Thanks Frank!
post #2999 of 4611
Damn, I bet that sounds really nice. My Insight +500 amp puts out 300wpc into 8 and doubles down into 4. It made a nice change in my system when I swapped out the Parasound for it. I spoke to Frank last week about the 600R and I'm going to be ordering one in the next few weeks to use with the 3's when they're ready so I'm interested in your impressions of it.
post #3000 of 4611
For whatever it's worth, i'm also gonna be joining the club of high output WPC amp + Philharmonic combo.
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