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post #3541 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

And there could be one more if a certain woofer would arrive.

HUH? Do tell. Be as thorough and explicit as you want to. biggrin.gif A lot of us have been waiting for a high efficiency design that actually performs very well with music reproduction and that doesn't break the bank. If you're venturing down that path you may end up with more orders that you expected. smile.gif
post #3542 of 4614
This is a project for a group purchase, I think. I had nothing to do with the driver selection, so I really don't know how it will turn out. If $$$$$$$ equated to quality, then it should do fine. But we all know that isn't always true. Unfortunately, most of the high qualty, high efficiency drivers tend to be up there price-wise. If anyone has suggestions for a duo or trio of not horribly expensive, but quite high efficiency drivers, I would certainly be interested in considering a trip down that road.
post #3543 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

And there could be one more if a certain woofer would arrive.

LOL I can't imagine what driver you are referring to. :P

I suppose I should collect some of the money people owe me and take a spot on Del's list. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

This is a project for a group purchase, I think. I had nothing to do with the driver selection, so I really don't know how it will turn out.

Hopefully very well! biggrin.gif
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If $$$$$$$ equated to quality, then it should do fine.

Those drivers are not cheap!
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Unfortunately, most of the high quality, high efficiency drivers tend to be up there price-wise.

I was looking for HE drivers to build my brother a center....yeah...they don't come cheap...
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post


He said musical, as in portrays music accurately. biggrin.gif

There are plenty of those!
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If anyone has suggestions for a duo or trio of not horribly expensive, but quite high efficiency drivers, I would certainly be interested in considering a trip down that road.

There are not plenty of those!
post #3544 of 4614
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

And that woofer is....
...and the tweeter it is paired with is....
...and is it a 2-way or a 3-way....
Just fishing

A CSS Planar 2 with Geddes foam.

A Faital Pro 6PR150

A AE TD12X

3-way crossed over at around 1khz. and 250hz (or where Dennis feels is appropriate for maximum power handling and flat frequency response. biggrin.gif)

The Planar was chosen due to it's ability to play very low, as crossing below 1,000hz will keep directivity a non issue.

Dennis is talking about "my" build. biggrin.gif

Did you use the electric knife for your turkey, Dennis? LOL JK.
Edited by Monkish54 - 12/6/12 at 2:58pm
post #3545 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

There are plenty of those!!

Says you, in your opinion. smile.gif
post #3546 of 4614
http://www.vaporsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Arcus_Banner.jpg

http://www.gedlee.com/abbey.htm

Those SEOS waveguides are looking mighty good...pair with a nice compression and an excellent AE woofer and you could have an excellent music reproducing machine!
Edited by Monkish54 - 12/6/12 at 3:06pm
post #3547 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

http://www.vaporsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Arcus_Banner.jpg
http://www.gedlee.com/abbey.htm
Those SEOS waveguides are looking mighty good...pair with a nice compression and an excellent AE woofer and you could have an excellent music reproducing machine!

Two of those would have about $1400 worth of combined drivers and their starting price is $6k? That's a hefty markup / asserted cost for cabinet and crossover, and I'm not entirely sure that it's per-pair.
post #3548 of 4614
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

Two of those would have about $1400 worth of combined drivers and their starting price is $6k? That's a hefty markup / asserted cost for cabinet and crossover, and I'm not entirely sure that it's per-pair.

I said musical not cheap. tongue.gif

I think it is per pair.

With the dealer markup (just the drivers accounted for) the speaker would cost $7,000/pr retail. Again, not including cabinet, crossover, wire, posts, etc. That said, you can ask (did double tap start the company?!) the owner about his margins. I kinda want to myself! biggrin.gif
post #3549 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

HUH? Do tell. Be as thorough and explicit as you want to. biggrin.gif A lot of us have been waiting for a high efficiency design that actually performs very well with music reproduction and that doesn't break the bank. If you're venturing down that path you may end up with more orders that you expected. smile.gif

I know at one point there was some talk about Dennis doing some design work for one of the SEOS speakers. I think it would use the SEOS12 and either a DNA250 or 360 compression driver and one of the JBL woofers (maybe a 2206???). Of course, I could be talking completely out of my arse so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
post #3550 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

http://www.vaporsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Arcus_Banner.jpg
http://www.gedlee.com/abbey.htm
Those SEOS waveguides are looking mighty good...pair with a nice compression and an excellent AE woofer and you could have an excellent music reproducing machine!

Haven't heard the Vapors, but I want to. The Gedlee stuff gets mixed reviews, but his design philosophy is interesting.

Your speakers will probably be awesome, but those don't count because they aren't a standard model (yet). smile.gif There aren't many great affordable HE designs that reproduce music accurately IMO. I hope Dennis and Jim Salk will change that.
post #3551 of 4614
If he was, it was probably as a favor to a DIYer and not as a speaker he intends to sell. biggrin.gif
post #3552 of 4614
I'm confused. Is Dennis creating a high efficiency speaker to sell or is he making one for you?

What I was talking about was Dennis going to do the crossover design for one of the SEOS designs where the kit would be sold by diysoundgroup. Jeff Bagby's designs are complete I believe and will be available for sale soon if not already. I think there is a third designer that was going to do some design work for one of the kits as well but can't remember who that was.
post #3553 of 4614
^ He's making one for Monkish, but if the demand is there I'm sure he (or Jim) would do the same. My hope is that it is a great design, catches on quickly and becomes a standard offering.
post #3554 of 4614
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I'm confused. Is Dennis creating a high efficiency speaker to sell or is he making one for you?
What I was talking about was Dennis going to do the crossover design for one of the SEOS designs where the kit would be sold by diysoundgroup. Jeff Bagby's designs are complete I believe and will be available for sale soon if not already. I think there is a third designer that was going to do some design work for one of the kits as well but can't remember who that was.

YOU're confused? I'm pretty much lost. I did sign up to help out on a SEOS project, but I haven't received the drivers or cabinet yet. If and when I do, it will be in the public domain. I guess the Monkster's is a one-off. But then, we'll need a woofer, won't we? I would like to offer a musical hi sensitiviy design, but that will take a lot of work based on the ones I've heard so far.
post #3555 of 4614
With the recent demise of ED and CHT, that segment of the market is now wide open for someone who could step in to fill that void. $$$ to be made!
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

With the recent demise of ED and CHT, that segment of the market is now wide open for someone who could step in to fill that void. $$$ to be made!

Exactly. Dennis, time to hire some grunts! biggrin.gif
post #3557 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Exactly. Dennis, time to hire some grunts! biggrin.gif

OK. I'll bite. What's an ED and a CHT? I'm not part of this world. Anyone want to drive a SoundScape10 with a SET 5 watter?
post #3558 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I did sign up to help out on a SEOS project, but I haven't received the drivers or cabinet yet. If and when I do, it will be in the public domain.

SAH-WEEEET!!!
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I guess the Monkster's is a one-off.

It is indeed! Once it's finished, if anyone is interested I'd be more than happy to share the cabinet + crossover design (If Dennis will allow.) biggrin.gif It's not a cheap speaker and it's not going to be pretty. It might be the ugliest speaker in existence, but the cabinet will be cheaper and Del wont have to work too hard. biggrin.gif

I've pretty much designed ugly stacked cabinets with round-overs. Something tells me it wont be winning any awards visually. tongue.gif I suppose I could design the cabinet a bit better. I've been messing with it in sketch-up for funzzies. Maybe I'll make it a little sexier..
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ He's making one for Monkish, but if the demand is there I'm sure he (or Jim) would do the same. My hope is that it is a great design, catches on quickly and becomes a standard offering.

If the cabinet was redesigned to look purrty, I think the design could work out very well as a HE offering by Salk. Considering the price, the bass cabinet would have to be bigger. I've only designed it to reach down 80hz as I would have a sub to fill in the rest. I'm thinking of re-modeling it a bit lower...
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

OK. I'll bite. What's an ED and a CHT?

That's what I'm wondering!
post #3559 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

OK. I'll bite. What's an ED and a CHT? I'm not part of this world.

Elemental Designs and Chase Home Theater - both disappeared this year frown.gif
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CHT's site is still up...
post #3561 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

SAH-WEEEET!!!
It is indeed! Once it's finished, if anyone I
s interested I'd be more than happy to share the cabinet + crossover design (If Dennis will allow.) biggrin.gif It's not a cheap speaker and it's not going to be pretty. It might be the ugliest speaker in existence, but the cabinet will be cheaper and Del wont have to work too hard. biggrin.gif
I've pretty much designed ugly stacked cabinets with round-overs. Something tells me it wont be winning any awards visually. tongue.gif I suppose I could design the cabinet a bit better. I've been messing with it in sketch-up for funzzies. Maybe I'll make it a little sexier..
If the cabinet was redesigned to look purrty, I think the design could work out very well as a HE offering by Salk. Considering the price, the bass cabinet would have to be bigger. I've only designed it to reach down 80hz as I would have a sub to fill in the rest. I'm thinking of re-modeling it a bit lower...
That's what I'm wondering!

Look at you - coming into your own! Our Monkish has grown up nicely over the past couple years. Good for you man, good for you. We're proud of you dude. I look forward to the results of your design.

When did CHT go under? I always did like Craig. He's one of the good ones IMO.
post #3562 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

OK. I'll bite. What's an ED and a CHT? I'm not part of this world. ANYONE want to drive a SoundScape10 with a SET 5 watter?

Both were fairly well respected manufacturers (Chase Home Theater and Elemental Designs), but apparently both closed shop. If I had SS10's I'd be happy with any amp. biggrin.gif
post #3563 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Look at you - coming into your own! Our Monkish has grown up nicely over the past couple years. Good for you man, good for you. We're proud of you dude. I look forward to the results of your design.
When did CHT go under? I always did like Craig. He's one of the good ones IMO.

He didn't "go under". He just thought it wasn't worth the effort given the way he saw the regulatory environment changing so decided to stop. At least that's my understanding.
post #3564 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

SAH-WEEEET!!!
It is indeed! Once it's finished, if anyone is interested I'd be more than happy to share the cabinet + crossover design (If Dennis will allow.) biggrin.gif It's not a cheap speaker and it's not going to be pretty. It might be the ugliest speaker in existence, but the cabinet will be cheaper and Del wont have to work too hard. biggrin.gif
I've pretty much designed ugly stacked cabinets with round-overs. Something tells me it wont be winning any awards visually. tongue.gif I suppose I could design the cabinet a bit better. I've been messing with it in sketch-up for funzzies. Maybe I'll make it a little sexier..
If the cabinet was redesigned to look purrty, I think the design could work out very well as a HE offering by Salk. Considering the price, the bass cabinet would have to be bigger. I've only designed it to reach down 80hz as I would have a sub to fill in the rest. I'm thinking of re-modeling it a bit lower...
That's what I'm wondering!

Dang. What happened here? Who are you and what did you do with my friend, Monkish?!

biggrin.gif
post #3565 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Look at you - coming into your own! Our Monkish has grown up nicely over the past couple years. Good for you man, good for you. We're proud of you dude. I look forward to the results of your design.
When did CHT go under? I always did like Craig. He's one of the good ones IMO.

Couple of years? LOL I joined AVS and started my audio "career" in 5/11. xD

It's hardly my design. tongue.gif Eternal Velocity helped me put it together when I was first starting out, and Dennis is building the crossover. I had the final say with everything obviously, but I had no idea what I was doing. EV helped me learn quite a bit. That said, now that I understand how to pick drivers, he had excellent suggestions! The Faital was originally going to be a TD6M, but they said I wouldn't be able to get it until well after the group buy.

Regardless, I appreciate the sentiment. biggrin.gif

One of these days I'm gonna get around to building my bro a budget center channel for his RV. I will be designing my own crossover for that. We'll see how that works out. I'm going to try to build it well under budget so I can surprise him and replace his **** sub as well. He likes the sub, but only because he hasn't heard better. His sub is a JBL PB-10.

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-PB10-150-Watt-Down-Firing-Subwoofer/dp/B000051SEV



post #3566 of 4614
I'm Monkish 6.9! tongue.gif (Wouldn't be monkish without ridiculous sexual references.) biggrin.gif
post #3567 of 4614
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

He didn't "go under". He just thought it wasn't worth the effort given the way he saw the regulatory environment changing so decided to stop. At least that's my understanding.

I don't think I imagined the speaker-building industry to be under particularly heavy regulation.
post #3568 of 4614
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I don't think I imagined the speaker-building industry to be under particularly heavy regulation.
It's not.
post #3569 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

If I had SS10's I'd be happy with any amp. biggrin.gif

RIIIIGHT - About as happy as a heroin junkie being driven 1000km away from vancouver. You need that amp fix.
post #3570 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

That said, now that I understand how to pick drivers, he had excellent suggestions! The Faital was originally going to be a TD6M, but they said I wouldn't be able to get it until well after the group buy.

Well, I've got big hopes on the Faital gamble, but if You or Dennis end up not liking it, just sell it and go for that PHL. I just thought the PHL was really expensive cool.gif
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