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post #3571 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

If anyone has suggestions for a duo or trio of not horribly expensive, but quite high efficiency drivers, I would certainly be interested in considering a trip down that road.

Well, it is expensive, but this:

http://www.sbacoustics.com/index.php/products/woofers/12-sb34nrxl75-8/

Sure would be an interesting choice for that SEOS-12 build :P
post #3572 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

RIIIIGHT - About as happy as a heroin junkie being driven 1000km away from vancouver. You need that amp fix.

Touche. I just meant if I had SS10's I'd make whatever amp I had work, because I'd simply be stoke to have SS10's. But yes, in reality I'd feed those beasts with as much power as I could afford. The amp has to be dead silent and pretty too. biggrin.gif
post #3573 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Touche. I just meant if I had SS10's I'd make whatever amp I had work, because I'd simply be stoke to have SS10's. But yes, in reality I'd feed those beasts with as much power as I could afford. The amp has to be dead silent and pretty too. biggrin.gif

I love my Yamaha P5000S for driving stuff. I even think it's kinda-pretty. I just wish it wasn't manual-only on.
post #3574 of 4614
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I love my Yamaha P5000S for driving stuff. I even think it's kinda-pretty. I just wish it wasn't manual-only on.

Now that is a ton of power! biggrin.gif It wouldn't pass the looks test, though (my wife is a stickler for that stuff). Is it dead quiet? I imagine it has fans, no?
Edited by Nuance - 12/7/12 at 6:04am
post #3575 of 4614
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Now that is a ton of power! biggrin.gif It wouldn't pass the looks test, though (my wife is a stickler for that stuff). Is it dead quiet? I imagine it has fans, no?

To my knowledge the fan has never kicked on (it is possible that it has during some loud play and I've not heard it, or that it's amazingly silent in general; haven't poked around because I've been happy with the performance). The thing has been dead quiet, even in conditions where I'm shutting off the ceiling fan to remove extra noise.

The cost is pleasantly low (got that one when Best Buy was getting rid of them, paid <$500). One does need to adapt to XLR and the voltage change (or take the -6db hit), and I wish the power cable was detachable. But an amp that will go to 2ohm and give lots of clean, quiet power has been worth the little annoyances (like the cable, and the manual button).

I bought before the cheaper and lighter amps from Peavy and Crown came out.... but to be honest they are hideous trainwrecks for the eyes.
post #3576 of 4614
Can you purchase a 12V trigger unit and plug the amp into it? Then when your preamp or receiver powers on it'll trigger on the power amps. I use something from Niles similar to this for my two Behringer EP2500 subwoofer amps (mine is an older model and has multiple outlets):

http://www.nilesaudio.com/product.php?prodID=CS12V&recordID=Source%20Switching%20Systems&categoryID=Switching%20Systems&catcdID=10&prdcdID=FG01173
post #3577 of 4614
That's a nice idea. I've been drawn to some of the PDU's that offer similar functionality but they've been at a price higher than my convenience has been worth so-far.

I'll look at the one you linked. Thank you.

Dennis, sorry for the side-track into amps. smile.gif
post #3578 of 4614
^ I got mine new on ebay for like 30 bucks each plus $5 shipping; I think they were $199 retail. They had just discontinued the version I have for the newer variation, so I jumped all over it.

Sorry for the side tracking - yeah.
post #3579 of 4614
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I love my Yamaha P5000S for driving stuff. I even think it's kinda-pretty. I just wish it wasn't manual-only on.

Now that is a ton of power! biggrin.gif It wouldn't pass the looks test, though (my wife is a stickler for that stuff). Is it dead quiet? I imagine it has fans, no?
It depends on the speakers you are using it with and the amps you are comparing it to.

I've had a P5000S for years to run PA equipment (Yammy S115IV's actually). I tried using them on my Boston Acoustics E100's (89db/w/m @ 8ohms) and Legacy Audio Focus SE's (95db/w/m @ 4ohms). The amps DO have fans, but only kick on if you drive them hard (or it's hot), but the amps themselves have a higher noise floor than either the Emotiva XPA-1's I'm currently using OR the Onkyo 5008's internal amps.


Max
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http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/write-your-own-review/83063-philharmonic-2-dennis-murphy-paul-kittinger.html
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You Bastard! Reading your review makes me even more anxious to get mine. To compare them to my dream speakers, the Salon2s (not to mention my other dream speakers, the TAD Reference One), like that is just killing me. (I've been waiting almost five months now and have yet to get an approximate ship date yet. Hopefully, Santa will deliver them in time for Christmas.

What's even worse is that I've taken my whole setup over to my dad's new house for him to audition so I don't even have my Revel F52s to hold me over. All I've got left is my MP3 player and some cheap $1.99 headphones.
post #3582 of 4614
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

You Bastard! Reading your review makes me even more anxious to get mine.

LOL My bad. xD DUDE with your subs and 1.12 gigawatts, there is little reason to buy a Salon 2 over Phil, IMO.

IMO, aside from bass, all else is equal. We shall see how you feel. smile.gif

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To compare them to my dream speakers, the Salon 2s (not to mention my other dream speakers, the TAD Reference One), like that is just killing me.

LOL Sorry. I meant NOT like the Salon 2...shifty eyes..shifty eyes. tongue.gif

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I've been waiting almost five months now and have yet to get an approximate ship date yet. Hopefully, Santa will deliver them in time for Christmas.

Any word on Duc's Phil 3s, Dennis? biggrin.gif
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What's even worse is that I've taken my whole setup over to my dad's new house for him to audition so I don't even have my Revel F52s to hold me over. All I've got left is my MP3 player and some cheap $1.99 headphones.

That is the worst thing ever. frown.gif

Your dad gonna steal your 52s? :O
post #3583 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

LOL My bad. xD DUDE with your subs and 1.12 gigawatts, there is little reason to buy a Salon 2 over Phil, IMO.
IMO, aside from bass, all else is equal. We shall see how you feel. smile.gif

LOL Sorry. I meant NOT like the Salon 2...shifty eyes..shifty eyes. tongue.gif
Any word on Duc's Phil 3s, Dennis? biggrin.gif
That is the worst thing ever. frown.gif
Your dad gonna steal your 52s? :O

Believe me, I'm as anxious to invoice the Duc as he is to get the speaks. I've got bills to pay. Del said he would give me an update tomorrow night. Part of the problem is that the Duc wanted a high polish black treatment on the baffles, and that involves lots of labor. I very much hope Del will give me the heads up to send out that invoice, and then I'll get Santa's helpers (I don't have any) whipped up to deliver before Merry Merry.
post #3584 of 4614

Look at you, writing such a nice review. And so articulate. Thanks!
post #3585 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Believe me, I'm as anxious to invoice the Duc as he is to get the speaks. I've got bills to pay. Del said he would give me an update tomorrow night. Part of the problem is that the Duc wanted a high polish black treatment on the baffles, and that involves lots of labor. I very much hope Del will give me the heads up to send out that invoice, and then I'll get Santa's helpers (I don't have any) whipped up to deliver before Merry Merry.

Dennis, you should just invoice me now. I have no qualms about sending you the remaining balance before they're ready to be shipped. Makes it easier for me as well.
post #3586 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Look at you, writing such a nice review. And so articulate. Thanks!

LOL I always tell my Professors I am only articulate on the weekends... I'm not sure why, but they still fail my papers...cool.gif
post #3587 of 4614
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Dennis, you should just invoice me now. I have no qualms about sending you the remaining balance before they're ready to be shipped. Makes it easier for me as well.

I'd be careful around Dennis "Baby face" Murphy! tongue.gif
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post #3589 of 4614
Ha Ha, Brandon, we are all kids, just some with more years!!!!tongue.gif

Good job J!!!
post #3590 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

Your dad gonna steal your 52s? :O

Just got back from his house. He decided, with my recommendation, to stick with the Infinity Primus P363s for his setup. We both heard a definite improvement with the F52s, but not enough to justify the price premium. This is a testament to two things. 1. The extreme bang for the buck the Primus line is and 2. How much room interactions affect the sound of speakers.

Even after many hours of setup, I couldn't make the F52's sound move me like they do in my room. They still sounded good, but not to the point of bliss that I'm so used to. I blame the open layout and lack of any acoustic treatments for that. When I have some time, I'll have to go bring them back to my place. My room is so empty without them.
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I'd be careful around Dennis "Baby face" Murphy! tongue.gif

No worries there. I have a friend named Guido who loves to travel with his two buddies Smith & Wesson. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to go collect on any missing funds for me. wink.gif
post #3591 of 4614
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

No worries there. I have a friend named Guido who loves to travel with his two buddies Smith & Wesson. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to go collect on any missing funds for me. wink.gif

Ya hear that, Dennis?

Better be wary of Duc "Capone" 135
post #3592 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

Ya hear that, Dennis?
Better be wary of Duc "Capone" 135

I just invoiced his sorry derriere. I'll wait a couple of weeks before bringing the full force of Philharmonic Audio down on him.
post #3593 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I just invoiced his sorry derriere. I'll wait a couple of weeks before bringing the full force of Philharmonic Audio down on him.

Uh, oh. Good thing I've got a four month stockpile of food and water here. Just need to board up the windows and doors and I think I should be able to survive the siege. Even have a generator and fuel to run my stereo if need be. I'm hoping by then, you'll have bored of me or have gotten other speakers to build.

Then again if you're sending your dog, I may have to take him hostage.
post #3594 of 4614
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Even have a generator and fuel to run my stereo if need be.

Now that is the type of dedication I expect from all of you! xD
post #3595 of 4614
If anyone's interested, Crown XLS2500 amps at the Big River site for the lowest prices I've ever seen. Not many available though.


Max
post #3596 of 4614
NICE! Thanks for the link! biggrin.gif
post #3597 of 4614
Hi Anyone interested in a pair of Phil 2's in the original black cabinets should contact me. The owner was using them while he waited for his 3's to be built. I understand them to be in mint condition--$1900/pr. Just write me at info@philharmonicaudio.com
post #3598 of 4614
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

If anyone's interested, Crown XLS2500 amps at the Big River site for the lowest prices I've ever seen. Not many available though.


Max

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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

NICE! Thanks for the link! biggrin.gif
Hope not too many folks took advantage of that heads up.

I bought a pair of them, and while they have a lower noise floor than the P5000S, I can't recommend the XLS2500 for audiophile music use without EQ/room correction.

I've been using Emotiva XPA-1's across the front for a while now, first paired with Boston Acoustics E100's and then Legacy Audio Focus SE's and they measure very well and sound great in my room (so tempted to take this pair of Phil 2's that Dennis is offering, but I don't want to end up with a speaker collection like ADTG's).

Anyway, the XPA-1 and Focus SE combo measures appreciably flat in my room even without EQ or Audyssey, but I still use Audyssey for the tightening up of the bass. I swapped in one XLS2500 on the left side and level matched it to the right side and played some of my regular audition music that I've listened to a lot. Imagine my disappointment when the soundstage collapsed to the right speaker. Haven't measured with REW to see what's happening, but from what I can hear, the XLS2500 is rolling off the mids and highs.

I even tried adjusting the gain so the meter read louder for the Left side but the soundstage still collapsed to the right. If I had connected both L&R to the XLS2500 I might have thought it was just my imagination or that I was tired, but with the left speaker hooked up to the XLS2500 and the right to the XPA-1, there was no question, it was plain as day.

I doublechecked to make sure I didn't have the crossover/LPF setting inadvertently turned on on the Crown and I didn't. I even tried bridging the Crown to the left speaker to rule out the possibility that the Emo's 1000watt rating gave it an edge over the Crown's 775watts (level matched to 75db at the MLP, the Crown's gain knob was 100% when using one channel and about 55-60% when bridged).

As I said, I even tried turning the gain up on the Crown so it read 1-2 db louder at the MLP, but the soundstage still collapsed to the right XPA-1 powered speaker.

I finally disconnected the Crown and reconnected the left XPA-1 and bam, the imaging was back, with the vocalist dead center and the image sounding 3-dimensional. Nope, the tweeters in the Left speaker weren't damaged or blown, it was the XLS2500.

If you're going to use this amp with something like Audyssey XT32, the calibration will flatten the FR for you, but if you plan to go with a 'purist' approach with no EQ, going by the measurements the Phils produce, the XLS2500 will be masking what the Phils are capable of. You'd be doing the Phils an injustice pairing them with an XLS2500 un'EQd.


Max
post #3599 of 4614
That sure doesn't sound like my crown to me... sounds like a defective product. Mine sound very 3D and neutral.
post #3600 of 4614
Challenge Accepted!!!


Looks fine to me

blue is quasi red is LP

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