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post #421 of 4138
1/22/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

ET, I need for someone to tell me that!

Well What if the XPA-5 IS a high end amp?

What quality is it lacking to you that precludes it from that criteria? It couldn't be power, because chances are you're probably not even nearing the max capability of that amp.

Is it an intangible quality?

Is it a matter of build quality? Are you willing to spend 5X as much on something that might last you 3X as long?

Is it a matter of perceived sound quality?

Is there an aspect of the XPA-5 you feel you can reliably hear? Are you just hoping to take your speakers to the next level? Does a next level even exist? If this is a tangible quality, how can it be quantified?

Or are you looking for a change rather than an improvement?

Are you looking to get more environmentally friendly with a more efficient design?

Do you want something built in North America?

Do you want something prestigious in the audiophile community to avoid being scoffed at by people with more money in cables than you've put into speakers?

Do you just want huge 100lb monoblocks to set on the floor?

Sorry, I don't mean to take this thread along the dreaded direction of "amp discussion".... I'm just thinking out loud here - "High end amp" can have so many meanings to different people.

To me personally a high end amp

1) Is transparent to the signal.
2) Looks elegant and pretty.
3) Is efficient with very low heat and with plenty of power to spare.

But to another person high-end amps consist of what I consider dreadful.

To me, your XPA-5 is excellent/High-end and while I might be inclined to take a spray gun to it - I'm just trying to understand your perspective / where you're coming from.
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post #422 of 4138
1/22/12 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

ET, I need for someone to tell me that! There are just too many out there to pick from that would be in my budget.

Well, first thing is first: What is your budget? Oh, and I guess some of ET's questions are good ones too.
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post #423 of 4138
1/22/12 at 8:09pm
ETV, that's a lot of questions!

I will say this....the XPA-5 is a very good amp and I am happy with it since the Onkyo 806 is not interfering.

As I said earlier, I would like to see a thread in Dennis' "future" Speaker Forum with what most will be using to drive the Philys. Brandon, I can wait for some exploration then. You know me, I don't rush into anything-very slow to move!

As you mentioned ETV, these would definitely be some strong disirable attributes:

And, I would add smaller than normal!

1) Is transparent to the signal.
2) Looks elegant and pretty.
3) Is efficient with very low heat and with plenty of power to spare.
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post #424 of 4138
1/22/12 at 9:59pm
I would consider Lexicon & Mark Levinson high-end.

Since ATI have been known to make amps for Mark Levinson & Lexicon, I say ATI is also high-end.

I say Emotiva amps are very good, but not high-end. Probably sound just as good as the next amp to most people.
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post #425 of 4138
1/22/12 at 11:48pm
"Audio By Van Alstine" is to electronics like Philharmonics are to speakers. My hybrid amp and pre-amp and Dac are better than anything I've heard or auditioned over the years. Affordable high end. Just my .02 .
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post #426 of 4138
1/23/12 at 6:50am
Guys, it is a zoo when buying anything electronic, however, it is nice to know someone, who has witness and heard some of these amps from great manufacturers. I have just read of them.

Audio by Van Alstine is one I have been keeping my eye on.

Well, maybe I should talk awhile about the monitors......Amazing to say the least. Driven by the MK2 Musical Paradise, (budget amp), and the MSII+, I just get blown away with the "high end" quality. Can't find anything wrong with these, the fountek is an awesome tweeter. I needed more bass and Dennis, well, he knew what he was doing in that respect. I am afraid to turn them up much more than the 9:00 position as they might wake up these old people around me. He He They sound their best at 10:00 position.

Maybe just a very good, small SS amp would do these things very well. The MK2 is a very musical amp and drives the Monitors with no problem. I couldn't be happier with the set-up.


For now......................................................... ...........................
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post #427 of 4138
1/23/12 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by smwick View Post

"Audio By Van Alstine" is to electronics like Philharmonics are to speakers. My hybrid amp and pre-amp and Dac are better than anything I've heard or auditioned over the years. Affordable high end. Just my .02 .

I'm using a Van Alstine Insight Amp, preamp and DAC. I honestly don't think there's much difference in the basic sound of amps, as long as they're working within their power handling limits. But the "125-watt" Van Alstine had absolutely no problems powering the Salk SoundScapes to full cry, whereas my "200-watt" Marsh amp threw in the towel. The Phil 2 is a much easier load, and the 3 isn't all that less sensitive than the 2. But I don't want this to turn into another amp thread. Speakers are much more important, variable, and interesting.
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post #428 of 4138
1/23/12 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by dennis murphy View Post

speakers are much more important, variable, and interesting.

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post #429 of 4138
1/23/12 at 10:37am
Yep, agreed.

The Phil2s are sounding fantastic. I have been spending more time in the theater and critiquing more songs. I have about 5 pages thus far.

Many of the songs from Pandora are of very good quality and the speakers just dissappear or the speakers just being outstanding or both. Well we know they are outstanding, but don't think they stand out! It's good when you just hear the music, right?

The RAALs seem to produce piano/violin with no strain.....live as one could imagine.

They are exactly what I expected as I hate the grainy, fingernail-on-the-blackboard distorted group of violins or piano banging to a grieving distortion level. I believe now that I am learning to distinguish the older/poorly recorded music from the best/latest and that helps when reviewing. Cause now I know what the Phils are capable of!

And the neo8, wow, it has really surprised me. The whole combination is just perfect to my ears. I will be digging and see if I can find some CDs to review to get some sort of variety.

At some point I will also move the monitors in the theater and see how they sound with the XPA-5/Onkyo.
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post #430 of 4138
1/23/12 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

At some point I will also move the monitors in the theater and see how they sound with the XPA-5/Onkyo.

You'll probably hear the difference in room acoustics first and foremorst!!
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post #431 of 4138
1/23/12 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

You'll probably hear the difference in room acoustics first and foremorst!!

^ This. But, I admit moving from my Onkyo receiver to the Parasound 2100 preamp made a vast improvement. I bet the receiver acting as a preamp is part of the problem, Robert. If it was me (and I've been there ), I'd fix the room in any way possible first, replace the preamp next, and then finally top it off with a DAC. If still wanting, add respective new amplifier.
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post #432 of 4138
1/23/12 at 12:06pm
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^ This. But, I admit moving from my Onkyo receiver to the Parasound 2100 preamp made a vast improvement. I bet the receiver acting as a preamp part of the problem, Robert. If it was me (and I've been there ), I'd fix the room in any way possible first, replace the preamp next, and then finally top it off with a DAC. If still wanting, add respective new amplifier.

I don't doubt it did... i don't much trust the preamp outputs in Onkyo, Yamaha, etc receivers. I'd normally be looking to replace that before getting great amps. those Emotiva amps however do have an unusually forgiving gain structure than most amps so it's tough to make a judgement call.

I have yet to hear a difference between the DACs i've heard.
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post #433 of 4138
1/24/12 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

ETV, that's a lot of questions!

I will say this....the XPA-5 is a very good amp and I am happy with it since the Onkyo 806 is not interfering.

As I said earlier, I would like to see a thread in Dennis' "future" Speaker Forum with what most will be using to drive the Philys. Brandon, I can wait for some exploration then. You know me, I don't rush into anything-very slow to move!

As you mentioned ETV, these would definitely be some strong disirable attributes:

And, I would add smaller than normal!

1) Is transparent to the signal.
2) Looks elegant and pretty.
3) Is efficient with very low heat and with plenty of power to spare.

I'll be using a Bryston 4BSST2 to drive them.
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post #434 of 4138
1/24/12 at 5:01pm
I think as long as the amp has good output and the preamp (AVR or pre-pro) is unadulterated (in Direct or Pure Direct mode), everything should be great.

As soon as you introduce EQs and Tones (room corrections, DSP, THX modes), all bets are off.
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post #435 of 4138
1/26/12 at 4:12pm
Dennis Murphy's Philharmonic 2

Review

By Robert Woods (woodsart)

THE SEARCH:

For a few years I have been looking for an affordable great sounding theater package, since I have owned onkyo, infinity and the WAF-1s. And, as my evolution process progressed, I discovered many aspects about speakers. I learned the 3 fronts are most important and auditioning is important....or is it. (Still learning).

But, first I should say I heard the Phil 1 and 3s before I made my final decision.

My most favorite speakers before the Phil2s, that I owned, were the Infinity Primus line of speakers. I read a lot about them and took the plunge, was not sorry. Amazing sound designed by an amazing company. Perfect entry level speakers for theater....I called them the High End Entry Level speaker system and these were a purchase sight un-seen/unheard!

Also, the CAOW1 Monitors, a very, very, nice speaker indeed, a Dennis Murphy original, of course.

Then came the little WAF-1s, liked them so much got another pair and they are still playing a role as my surrounds in the theater.

Some of my speaker auditions included......Cambridge audio monitors, Wilson audio monitors/towers, Salk Soundscape (just listened at Dennis'), Salk Songtowers, GR Research N3 towers and the N2X Monitors, Swans, the Philharmonic 1 and the Philharmonic 3. There are others, but, unfortunitely I have lost my list. These are all good speakers, very good speakers and excellent speakers.

MODEST EQUIPMENT/LISTENING AREA:

My equipment is quite modest and includes an Onkyo 806 receiver/Emotiva XPA-5, Panasonic Blu-ray player and a Sansung 50" plazma TV. Internet provider is Comcast with Xfinity. My sub is GR Research DIY 12" Servo.

Most of the review includes, not limited to, Pandora Internet streaming, since my current CD collection somewhat sparse and located in the PC/Office area where the Philharmonitor 2s are.

The room size is approximately 20 X 24, hardwood, with 9' ceilings. I have no room treatments.

The PHILHARMONIC II SPEAKERS:

When Dennis emailed and said they were ready, we had a death in the family, so I had to postpone til the next weekend, so my wife and took advantage to make it a weekend.

I must say Dennis is very hospitable indeed.....lunch and a dog for entertaining!!! What more could one ask?

However, he was worried that there was not enough room packed in their original boxes, so I had to forgo those in order to get the Phillys home with one trip. But we did it and they all fit nicely and made it home without a scratch....Dennis knows how I am about that!
The problem was carrying them inside....ugh, very heavy, but I managed. I could see the look on Gail's face as I hooked them up. But I told her we will work the aesthetics out and we did.

They sounded as expected and it was love at first sight/ear or two......end review!!!! He He......just kidding!

I will attempt to give my thoughts on some songs that stood out....but first I will say one of my pet peeves is harsh/unnatural..... Piano/violin straining on one's ears. And, I think I speak for the most of us.

And, in an orchestral setting.....individual notes/instruments/voices rather than a jungle of sound just ringing distortion!!!! Whew, glad that is over!

First, "Lake Erie Rainfall" by Jim Brickman.......The intro with keys hitting the strings was very lifelike, clear and non-distorted. Some hard hits on the strings one could actually hear hammers hitting on the higher notes. Me likey that!!!! The Phils passed that with flying colors!!!

The next song, "Que Misterio" a tango by Tango Jointz.......nice drums and click click, harmonica, guitar and piano. Orchestral background, really good separate instrumental clarity and preciseness! Really loved this song, so I added it to my favorites.

"Ceremonial Fanfare For Brass Ensemble" by Aaron Copeland......Ahhhh, now we are kicking or tooting! Love brass and the Philly's did too.The RAALs really shines with these trumpets in the higher register, precise and excellent! The trombones are another favorite, bursting with energy a real favorite of mine.

"Dark Fire" by Strung & Farah on Worldbeat Radio/Pandora.......This song had a Samba sound that one would love to chill by. The drums were quick, precise, tight and exactly what to expect with these excellent speakers right from the start of this song. Perfect violin reproduction by the RAALs. I use to hate when a song started with a violin or any piano, but not any more.

"Keep On Moving" by Bob Marley....... Very nice, smooth, snappy song. All of the drivers the RAAL, Neo8, BG, seem to be in harmony with this song. The Phillys work very well with all these styles of stations....../reggae/Caribbean/Dub/Dancehall/Techno/Trance/Electronica/Ambient/Electro/Club/Dance/Techno/Dubstep.


On Lowfish/Uberzone/Cirez D Radio.....The Phillys kept on pumping and delivering clean, clear, precise low notes, surprisingly very low notes!

"Air" by Jesse Cook......serenades with a fast repertoire of this guitar solo, no problem here, couldn't find a thing wrong with this song, except it didn't last as long as I would have liked and I couldn't play it again!

"Crazy Love" by Throat Culture, in Acapella.....the Neo8/BG Woofer really shined, they just performed as expected. live.....live....live! Bout as good as I would ever want!

July London on "Easy Listening Radio"......with her "Oh baby" voice was very clean, right-in-front-of-you sounding. An old recording? Can't tell here as the Phillys are just doing their thing, I guess they are not scared of the older recorded stuff afterall.

On the 20th Century Radio........."Suite For Jazz Orchestra #1" by Demitry Shostakovich.......The violin and trumpet was just surperb with very high notes.....tonally correct like the real thing.

This, of course is only 1/3 of the songs I listened to and made notes, but I think that is enough! I did not mention the ones with the EQ on Onkyo turned on.

My thoughts on......Philharmonic Audio/Dennis Murphy!

I have been looking and talking for sometime now, particularly with DM. His reputation, being the no-nonsense person he is, meaning.....efficient, direct and quite tough when it comes to speaker design! He has really come up with winners and I am glad I am now a owner of one of the best speakers out there in this price range! The cabinetry is as good as any and better than most, very solid. All the drivers were installed to perfection.

The Philharmonic 2 speakers are.....well as Dennis said......"They sound pretty much exactly like the 3's unless there's a big bad bass drum whacking away. " So I feel like I got the bargain.

I think these are clear, clean, distinct throughout the audio spectrum, near perfect reproduction. The RAAL produced no edge or sharpness. The SB Acoustic Woofer was smooth, extended, natural with no boominess, very tight. The NEO8 midrange, enveloping, lush and warm....was as good as Dennis could make it IMO.

These were my ears auditioning and obviously everyone's ears are very different. So, this is what I believe I heard and I hope this review helps someone in their decision making.

Honestly, there was no noticeable bloated low end, harsh unnatural midrange or ringing treble!

philharmonicaudio.com

Highly recommended!

P.S, this review is subject to change without notice (:

Soon to be following the "NEW" Philharmonitor 2 review......
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post #436 of 4138
1/26/12 at 4:31pm
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Dennis Murphy's Philharmonic 2

Review

By Robert Woods (woodsart)

THE SEARCH:

For a few years I have been looking for an affordable great sounding theater package, since I have owned onkyo, infinity and the WAF-1s. And, as my evolution process progressed, I discovered many aspects about speakers. I learned the 3 fronts are most important and auditioning is important....or is it. (Still learning).

But, first I should say I heard the Phil 1 and 3s before I made my final decision.

My most favorite speakers before the Phil2s, that I owned, were the Infinity Primus line of speakers. I read a lot about them and took the plunge, was not sorry. Amazing sound designed by an amazing company. Perfect entry level speakers for theater....I called them the High End Entry Level speaker system and these were a purchase sight un-seen/unheard!

Also, the CAOW1 Monitors, a very, very, nice speaker indeed, a Dennis Murphy original, of course.

Then came the little WAF-1s, liked them so much got another pair and they are still playing a role as my surrounds in the theater.

Some of my speaker auditions included......Cambridge audio monitors, Wilson audio monitors/towers, Salk Soundscape (just listened at Dennis'), Salk Songtowers, GR Research N3 towers and the N2X Monitors, the Philharmonic 1 and the Philharmonic 3. There are others, but, unfortunitely I have lost my list. These are all good speakers, very good speakers and excellent speakers.

MODEST EQUIPMENT/LISTENING AREA:

My equipment is quite modest and includes an Onkyo 806 receiver/Emotiva XPA-5, Panasonic Blu-ray player and a Sansung 50" plazma TV. Internet provider is Comcast with Xfinity. My sub is GR Research DIY 12" Servo.

Most of the review includes, not limited to, Pandora Internet streaming, since my current CD collection somewhat sparse and located in the PC/Office area where the Philharmonitor 2s are.

The room size is approximately 20 X 24, hardwood, with 9' ceilings. I have no room treatments.

The PHILHARMONIC II SPEAKERS:

When Dennis emailed and said they were ready, we had a death in the family, so I had to postpone til the next weekend, so my wife and took advantage to make it a weekend.

I must say Dennis is very hospitable indeed.....lunch and a dog for entertaining!!! What more could one ask?

However, he was worried that there was not enough room packed in their original boxes, so I had to forgo those in order to get the Phillys home with one trip. But we did it and they all fit nicely and made it home without a scratch....Dennis knows how I am about that!
The problem was carrying them inside....ugh, very heavy, but I managed. I could see the look on Gail's face as I hooked them up. But I told her we will work the aesthetics out and we did.

They sounded as expected and it was love at first sight/ear or two......end review!!!! He He......just kidding!

I will attempt to give my thoughts on some songs that stood out....but first I will say one of my pet peeves is harsh/unnatural..... Piano/violin straining on one's ears. And, I think I speak for the most of us.

And, in an orchestral setting.....individual notes/instruments/voices rather than a jungle of sound just ringing distortion!!!! Whew, glad that is over!

First, "Lake Erie Rainfall" by Jim Brickman.......The intro with keys hitting the strings was very lifelike, clear and non-distorted. Some hard hits on the strings one could actually hear hammers hitting on the higher notes. Me likey that!!!! The Phils passed that with flying colors!!!

The next song, "Que Misterio" a tango by Tango Jointz.......nice drums and click click, harmonica, guitar and piano. Orchestral background, really good separate instrumental clarity and preciseness! Really loved this song, so I added it to my favorites.

"Ceremonial Fanfare For Brass Ensemble" by Aaron Copeland......Ahhhh, now we are kicking or tooting! Love brass and the Philly's did too.The RAALs really shines with these trumpets in the higher register, precise and excellent! The trombones are another favorite, bursting with energy a real favorite of mine.

"Dark Fire" by Strung & Farah on Worldbeat Radio/Pandora.......This song had a Samba sound that one would love to chill by. The drums were quick, precise, tight and exactly what to expect with these excellent speakers right from the start of this song. Perfect violin reproduction by the RAALs. I use to hate when a song started with a violin or any piano, but not any more.

"Keep On Moving" by Bob Marley....... Very nice, smooth, snappy song. All of the drivers the RAAL, Neo8, BG, seem to be in harmony with this song. The Phillys work very well with all these styles of stations....../reggae/Caribbean/Dub/Dancehall/Techno/Trance/Electronica/Ambient/Electro/Club/Dance/Techno/Dubstep.

On Lowfish/Uberzone/Cirez D Radio.....The Phillys kept on pumping and delivering clean, clear, precise low notes, surprisingly very low notes!

"Air" by Jesse Cook......serenades with a fast repertoire of this guitar solo, no problem here, couldn't find a thing wrong with this song, except it didn't last as long as I would have liked and I couldn't play it again!

"Crazy Love" by Throat Culture, in Acapella.....the Neo8/BG Woofer really shined, they just performed as expected. live.....live....live! Bout as good as I would ever want!

July London on "Easy Listening Radio"......with her "Oh baby" voice was very clean, right-in-front-of-you sounding. An old recording? Can't tell here as the Phillys are just doing their thing, I guess they are not scared of the older recorded stuff afterall.

On the 20th Century Radio........."Suite For Jazz Orchestra #1" by Demitry Shostakovich.......The violin and trumpet was just surperb with very high notes.....tonally correct like the real thing.

This, of course is only 1/3 of the songs I listened to and made notes, but I think that is enough! I did not mention the ones with the EQ on Onkyo turned on.

My thoughts on......Philharmonic Audio/Dennis Murphy!

I have been looking and talking for sometime now, particularly with DM. His reputation, being the no-nonsense person he is, meaning.....efficient, direct and quite tough when it comes to speaker design! He has really come up with winners and I am glad I am now a owner of one of the best speakers out there in this price range! The cabinetry is as good as any and better than most, very solid. All the drivers were installed to perfection.

The Philharmonic 2 speakers are.....well as Dennis said......"They sound pretty much exactly like the 3's unless there's a big bad bass drum whacking away. " So I feel like I got the bargain.

I think these are clear, clean, distinct throughout the audio spectrum, near perfect reproduction. The RAAL produced no edge or sharpness. The BG Woofer was smooth, extended, natural with no boominess, very tight. The NEO8 midrange, enveloping, lush and warm....was as good as Dennis could make it IMO.

These were my ears auditioning and obviously everyone's ears are very different. So, this is what I believe I heard and I hope this review helps someone in their decision making.

Honestly, there was no noticeable bloated low end, harsh unnatural midrange or ringing treble!

philharmonicaudio.com

Highly recommended!

P.S, this review is subject to change without notice (:

Soon to be following the "NEW" Philharmonitor 2 review......

Excellent review!!! Than you for taking the time out of your day(s) to review it for us!!
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post #437 of 4138
1/26/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

Excellent review!!! Than you for taking the time out of your day(s) to review it for us!!

You're welcome!
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post #438 of 4138
1/27/12 at 6:27am
Thank you for the excellent review, Robert! I cannot think of anyone more deserving of these incredible sounding speakers than you. Thank God Gail is so accommodating with your hobby, eh? Actually, the same applies to my wife. You've certainly got a winner there with the Philly 2's! So...ah, time to focus on a preamp and DAC?
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post #439 of 4138
1/27/12 at 6:31am
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If he needs a pre-amp, just build a little Pass B1.

James
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post #440 of 4138
1/27/12 at 7:35am
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If he needs a pre-amp, just build a little Pass B1.

James

Thanks, James, but when the time comes I will have done enough research that I find the perfect one for me. I do want the best that I can get out of these speakers, though.

Brandon, thanks, not sure I am deserving, but very appreciative, more so in that I was able to get 2 sets of DM's speakers.

It's that Dennis Murphy Signature Sound (DMSS) I guess!

Also, I will be working on the monitor review today.
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post #441 of 4138
1/27/12 at 7:44am
Thread Starter 
Well don't count it out because you (or anyone) can build it. I use one in my system and it was very interesting going to it from using my Onkyo 885 before the Pass. So much so, I would not go back to the Onkyo for my music listening. If you lived closer I would let you run by and borrow it and see what you think.

James
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post #442 of 4138
1/27/12 at 7:44am
hey woodsart - i've been following your adventure here because these speakers look interesting to me. i noticed that you were formerly an infinity primus owner. i've had primus 360's for 5+ years and i still like them very much. i realize what a great value they are but when i read threads like this, i can't help but have wanderlust. i'm curious as to how much of an upgrade these phil2's would be over the primus. any comments you could make i would appreciate.
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post #443 of 4138
1/27/12 at 9:05am
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hey woodsart - i've been following your adventure here because these speakers look interesting to me. i noticed that you were formerly an infinity primus owner. i've had primus 360's for 5+ years and i still like them very much. i realize what a great value they are but when i read threads like this, i can't help but have wanderlust. i'm curious as to how much of an upgrade these phil2's would be over the primus. any comments you could make i would appreciate.

OMG.....huge....massive!!! At least in my opinion! Don't even think the infinities can come close to the Phil 1, 2 or 3s or the Philharmonitor 2.

In my opinion the Primus are like comparing to a popular brand name speaker at 3-5 times the price. The Phil2s are like comparing to a 3 times the price speaker. In fact, if I had the money last year, when I was researching, I probably would have gotten the Revel Concerta F12s. But, the price scared me off, I mean they were just speakers. My wife would have really given me a bad, bad look!!! ):

I had the 362s, 350 center surrounds and the 10" sub. The guy who bought them, I thought, just needed a theater set-up. I had no idea that he had a system in every room and some stuff I had never heard of before. Speakers, some of the best and I won't mention them. So that tells one about the Primus line.

However, what one plays through these really matters. Bluray is where the Primuses shine. But, with music, dunno....I guess one could say quality in....quality out.

But, this thread is about the Philharmonicsudio.com line of speakers.

The Philharmonics with movies are just, well I can notice a big difference when my ears are drawn to the speaker with such audio quality that I have not heard before and of course this is just the beginning. With the 3 amazing drivers and Dennis' crossover design, superb! (:

Christmas a year ago, my youngest son, (who is just like me), gave me the bluray series of "Lord of The Ring". When Froto, Sam and Smiegel was beginning up to the steps of the mountain. I was away from the remote and when the massive, loud, shreaking birds/dragons flew out from this castle, honestly, I thought we were having an earthquake, never heard sound like that! The Phil2s really made the shrills of those birds so bad that you wanted to cover your ears, like the characters did.

The Primuses are good speakers for what they are "entry level". The Philharmonics are great speakers that will satisfy the discrete audiophile. Of course I don't think I have arrived as that yet, but I am working on it.

I do have to tell you my knowledge is limited, so take this information for what it is worth!

I think my "wanderlust" is over now I have some of the best designed speakers at an affordable price. Thanks, Dennis!!!

And, these Monitors, well I will tell you about those later.

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post #444 of 4138
1/27/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by woodsart View Post

Dennis Murphy's Philharmonic 2

Review

By Robert Woods (woodsart)

THE SEARCH:

For a few years I have been looking for an affordable great sounding theater package, since I have owned onkyo, infinity and the WAF-1s. And, as my evolution process progressed, I discovered many aspects about speakers. I learned the 3 fronts are most important and auditioning is important....or is it. (Still learning).

But, first I should say I heard the Phil 1 and 3s before I made my final decision.

My most favorite speakers before the Phil2s, that I owned, were the Infinity Primus line of speakers. I read a lot about them and took the plunge, was not sorry. Amazing sound designed by an amazing company. Perfect entry level speakers for theater....I called them the High End Entry Level speaker system and these were a purchase sight un-seen/unheard!

Also, the CAOW1 Monitors, a very, very, nice speaker indeed, a Dennis Murphy original, of course.

Then came the little WAF-1s, liked them so much got another pair and they are still playing a role as my surrounds in the theater.

Some of my speaker auditions included......Cambridge audio monitors, Wilson audio monitors/towers, Salk Soundscape (just listened at Dennis'), Salk Songtowers, GR Research N3 towers and the N2X Monitors, Swans, the Philharmonic 1 and the Philharmonic 3. There are others, but, unfortunitely I have lost my list. These are all good speakers, very good speakers and excellent speakers.

MODEST EQUIPMENT/LISTENING AREA:

My equipment is quite modest and includes an Onkyo 806 receiver/Emotiva XPA-5, Panasonic Blu-ray player and a Sansung 50" plazma TV. Internet provider is Comcast with Xfinity. My sub is GR Research DIY 12" Servo.

Most of the review includes, not limited to, Pandora Internet streaming, since my current CD collection somewhat sparse and located in the PC/Office area where the Philharmonitor 2s are.

The room size is approximately 20 X 24, hardwood, with 9' ceilings. I have no room treatments.

The PHILHARMONIC II SPEAKERS:

When Dennis emailed and said they were ready, we had a death in the family, so I had to postpone til the next weekend, so my wife and took advantage to make it a weekend.

I must say Dennis is very hospitable indeed.....lunch and a dog for entertaining!!! What more could one ask?

However, he was worried that there was not enough room packed in their original boxes, so I had to forgo those in order to get the Phillys home with one trip. But we did it and they all fit nicely and made it home without a scratch....Dennis knows how I am about that!
The problem was carrying them inside....ugh, very heavy, but I managed. I could see the look on Gail's face as I hooked them up. But I told her we will work the aesthetics out and we did.

They sounded as expected and it was love at first sight/ear or two......end review!!!! He He......just kidding!

I will attempt to give my thoughts on some songs that stood out....but first I will say one of my pet peeves is harsh/unnatural..... Piano/violin straining on one's ears. And, I think I speak for the most of us.

And, in an orchestral setting.....individual notes/instruments/voices rather than a jungle of sound just ringing distortion!!!! Whew, glad that is over!

First, "Lake Erie Rainfall" by Jim Brickman.......The intro with keys hitting the strings was very lifelike, clear and non-distorted. Some hard hits on the strings one could actually hear hammers hitting on the higher notes. Me likey that!!!! The Phils passed that with flying colors!!!

The next song, "Que Misterio" a tango by Tango Jointz.......nice drums and click click, harmonica, guitar and piano. Orchestral background, really good separate instrumental clarity and preciseness! Really loved this song, so I added it to my favorites.

"Ceremonial Fanfare For Brass Ensemble" by Aaron Copeland......Ahhhh, now we are kicking or tooting! Love brass and the Philly's did too.The RAALs really shines with these trumpets in the higher register, precise and excellent! The trombones are another favorite, bursting with energy a real favorite of mine.

"Dark Fire" by Strung & Farah on Worldbeat Radio/Pandora.......This song had a Samba sound that one would love to chill by. The drums were quick, precise, tight and exactly what to expect with these excellent speakers right from the start of this song. Perfect violin reproduction by the RAALs. I use to hate when a song started with a violin or any piano, but not any more.

"Keep On Moving" by Bob Marley....... Very nice, smooth, snappy song. All of the drivers the RAAL, Neo8, BG, seem to be in harmony with this song. The Phillys work very well with all these styles of stations....../reggae/Caribbean/Dub/Dancehall/Techno/Trance/Electronica/Ambient/Electro/Club/Dance/Techno/Dubstep.


On Lowfish/Uberzone/Cirez D Radio.....The Phillys kept on pumping and delivering clean, clear, precise low notes, surprisingly very low notes!

"Air" by Jesse Cook......serenades with a fast repertoire of this guitar solo, no problem here, couldn't find a thing wrong with this song, except it didn't last as long as I would have liked and I couldn't play it again!

"Crazy Love" by Throat Culture, in Acapella.....the Neo8/BG Woofer really shined, they just performed as expected. live.....live....live! Bout as good as I would ever want!

July London on "Easy Listening Radio"......with her "Oh baby" voice was very clean, right-in-front-of-you sounding. An old recording? Can't tell here as the Phillys are just doing their thing, I guess they are not scared of the older recorded stuff afterall.

On the 20th Century Radio........."Suite For Jazz Orchestra #1" by Demitry Shostakovich.......The violin and trumpet was just surperb with very high notes.....tonally correct like the real thing.

This, of course is only 1/3 of the songs I listened to and made notes, but I think that is enough! I did not mention the ones with the EQ on Onkyo turned on.

My thoughts on......Philharmonic Audio/Dennis Murphy!

I have been looking and talking for sometime now, particularly with DM. His reputation, being the no-nonsense person he is, meaning.....efficient, direct and quite tough when it comes to speaker design! He has really come up with winners and I am glad I am now a owner of one of the best speakers out there in this price range! The cabinetry is as good as any and better than most, very solid. All the drivers were installed to perfection.

The Philharmonic 2 speakers are.....well as Dennis said......"They sound pretty much exactly like the 3's unless there's a big bad bass drum whacking away. " So I feel like I got the bargain.

I think these are clear, clean, distinct throughout the audio spectrum, near perfect reproduction. The RAAL produced no edge or sharpness. The SB Acoustic Woofer was smooth, extended, natural with no boominess, very tight. The NEO8 midrange, enveloping, lush and warm....was as good as Dennis could make it IMO.

These were my ears auditioning and obviously everyone's ears are very different. So, this is what I believe I heard and I hope this review helps someone in their decision making.

Honestly, there was no noticeable bloated low end, harsh unnatural midrange or ringing treble!

philharmonicaudio.com

Highly recommended!

P.S, this review is subject to change without notice (:

Soon to be following the "NEW" Philharmonitor 2 review......

Great review. Thanks Robert.
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post #445 of 4138
1/27/12 at 10:04am
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OMG.....huge....massive!!! At least in my opinion! Don't even think the infinities can come close to the Phil 1, 2 or 3s or the Philharmonitor 2.

In my opinion the Primus are like comparing to a popular brand name speaker at 3-5 times the price. The Phil2s are like comparing to a 3 times the price speaker. In fact, if I had the money last year, when I was researching, I probably would have gotten the Revel Concerta F12s. But, the price scared me off, I mean they were just speakers. My wife would have really given me a bad, bad look!!! ):

I had the 362s, 350 center surrounds and the 10" sub. The guy who bought them, I thought, just needed a theater set-up. I had no idea that he had a system in every room and some stuff I had never heard of before. Speakers, some of the best and I won't mention them. So that tells one about the Primus line.

However, what one plays through these really matters. Bluray is where the Primuses shine. But, with music, dunno....I guess one could say quality in....quality out.

But, this thread is about the Philharmonicsudio.com line of speakers.

The Philharmonics with movies are just, well I can notice a big difference when my ears are drawn to the speaker with such audio quality that I have not heard before and of course this is just the beginning. With the 3 amazing drivers and Dennis' crossover design, superb! (:

Christmas a year ago, my youngest son, (who is just like me), gave me the bluray series of "Lord of The Ring". When Froto, Sam and Smiegel was beginning up to the steps of the mountain. I was away from the remote and when the massive, loud, shreaking birds/dragons flew out from this castle, honestly, I thought we were having an earthquake, never heard sound like that! The Phil2s really made the shrills of those birds so bad that you wanted to cover your ears, like the characters did.

The Primuses are good speakers for what they are "entry level". The Philharmonics are great speakers that will satisfy the discrete audiophile. Of course I don't think I have arrived as that yet, but I am working on it.

I do have to tell you my knowledge is limited, so take this information for what it is worth!

I think my "wanderlust" is over now I have some of the best designed speakers at an affordable price. Thanks, Dennis!!!

And, these Monitors, well I will tell you about those later.

R

thanks for the comments. sounds like you are very happy with the new toys
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post #446 of 4138
1/30/12 at 5:40pm
Here is an update pic of my phil3's upper cabinet.

Del just sent me this pic.

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post #447 of 4138
1/30/12 at 5:42pm
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Here is an update pic of my phil3's upper cabinet.

Del just sent me this pic.

WOW! Those are gorgeous!!!
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post #448 of 4138
1/30/12 at 8:17pm
Wow, those look great. That sure is a high gloss.... gloss!!
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post #449 of 4138
1/30/12 at 9:42pm
Those are outstanding!!! Wow, you're in for a treat!
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post #450 of 4138
1/31/12 at 9:00am
When I first opened my email and saw that picture, my eyes widen, and face grinned .

It was like opening up a present that exceeded my expectations.
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