The Salon2's bass is a little more than the Orion. I still use dual subs for pop/rock.
The only speakers I've heard that I would not need any external subs for any reasons are the RBH T3/P; that's because they actually have four powered subwoofers between them. So I guess they are really 2 large monitors with four powered subs.
I will be using the Phil3 & Orion3 full range 2.0 direct.
The Salon2 & 201/2 will 2.1 stereo.