HuskerOmaha's Subwoofer Showdown GTG (Interest Thread) - Page 2

DesertDome I got your pm. The M816X is a recording interface correct? Is it hardware or software? You should be able to run REW through it with no problem if it is hardware. This is what I do with my Firestudio's. Looks like you guys have any number of tools at your disposal. Good luck.

Get a demo disk for the movie sequence or you'll be pulling your hair out switching disks.

Use a program called mptrim (freeware) to cut mp3s to your favored length without affecting bitrate or quality. This allows for a quick run through multiple songs as well.

http://www.mptrim.com/

Greg,

I would love to attend if I can (I'm local). I have a Rythmik D15SE: if there is enough hubbub on bringing more production units I could be talked into taking her over, assuming I can attend. I also have an DSpeaker Antimode 8033 subeq if there was any call to mess with that, and that would be easy to bring.

Flames and all, this sounds like fun!

Yes, it is hardware similar to your Firestudio.


Like HuskerOmaha mentioned, our plan is to just use a playlist on an HTPC and set the playback range for the song or movie. No re-encoding or creating clips is necessary.


It would be great if you could attend. I haven't heard from you since you tried to purchase 3 ULS-15's from Mia&Lana's dad at Hsu's forum. I also followed your whole ordeal with the old/new VTF-3 HO driver. That seems like ages ago.

I'm curious to see how mine does against the HSU VTF-3 HO. Other than that, most seem to be much larger performers when looking at the list.

I'm interested in finally hearing a horn! Should be fun!

Sweet!


Thanks! Wish I didn't drop that foam dampner down the port. Oh well, it'll just sit there until I swap in the new woofer. The basket on that driver won't allow that foam to contact the cone, so no worries.

Did you get a response from RSL on his speedwoofer? I'm still curious about that subs capabilties. His return policy intriques me...I admit I like a vendor with confidence in their product. You gotta love a 100% money back (including shipping) 30 day return policy. The owner stated interest in coming to our KC meet, but the timing didn't work because of a professional audio showcase his team was attending that same timeframe. A 10" sub does't fit my theater needs --- but I don't discount that a 10" sub can sound very clean and quite powerful --- I've owned a few 10" Infinity Kappa Perfects that could easily take on larger sized subs in the car audio arena!

These meets are a great way for a small vendor to get their product into the limelight in a big way! I encourage other vendors to attend as well, and recommend vendors ensure to follow Jeff's (of JTRSpeakers) example in being perfectly mindful not to interfere or skew the results. Let your product speak for itself! At our meet Jeff was a wallflower and a gentleman - he came in, didn't say much, didn't advise, didn't vote, just let us do our thing. About the only thing he did was run the volume control for the Seaton Submersive and the JTR Captivator - actions which were reasonable and appropriate because we let all the sub owners run their own volume controls and push the subs only as far as they felt comfortable during our movie auditions. That's the perfect approproach for a vendor attending a gig like this!

Wow! That brings back memories. Crazy long time ago. I actually forgot I was trying to buy those, lol. I ended up getting a pair of the D15SE's, though I still wish I had an opportunity to try the ULS-15s.

I will definitely try to show up if I'm in town, and time permitting, bring one of my subs for the fun

I posted this on another thread, but it applies here moreso. I'll paste it here.

I don't understand how a "shootout" can be helpful in any way at all? Regardless whether it's apples to apples or not. It took me many months to get my pair of DTS10's to perform like I expected. Where they are now compared to where I started is a completely different league of performance. So tell me this, how can a group of guys get together with a room full of subwoofers (in one afternoon) and say that they've experienced that subwoofer?

I have a buddy that recently picked up a Submersive and our first thought was to bring it to my place and do a shootout. After a short discussion, we realized it would accomplish nothing but a fun day of "revving our engines" so to speak.

Aside from the pain of moving them, I wouldn't consider bringing a DTS10 to any other location simply because you wouldn't begin to touch it's potential without intricate placement, tweaking, measuring, eq'ing, etc

Since posting that, Greg and I have PM'd a few times and I wanted to be clearer. I absolutely would have a blast doing a shootout! I also believe that there will be much useful information gathered. But my experience with the Danley is that it took an AWFUL amount of work to get it dialed in. Ricci touched on that warning earlier. So when I hear that a DTS10 will be part of a shootout, I know the chances of being underwhelmed are quite high.

All that said, I look forward to following along in the fun! Hope we get lots of photos. I'm glad to hear you'll be using Scubasteve's disc. I use it myself and know it quite well. I think that should help lots of folks relate to the exact clips used.

You do have to consider that immediately applying known recommended EQ to the DTS-10's and having the ability to see FR in REW right off the bat is going to get them further down the road faster than your quest, Tony. They may or may not have time to get to every possible room location, mouth orientation and room treatments of course; but I think they have what it takes to pull a good enough performance out of the Danley to compare it will with the other subs set up in a similar or less amount of time. Not messing with duals should save them some pain, and they'll have an owner there that has put his sweat into it from day one, so there won't be the learning curve new owners navigated shortly after assembly.

Overall, I do agree with the main point that a shootout like this isn't terribly helpful, but a ton of fun. Objectively, of course. Those who place high value in subjective impressions eat these type of reviews up. Those attending do get some objective benefit as they hear everything firsthand without another layer of subjectivity involved that readers here will have.

I think there is some potential if sufficient time is taken to minimize variables. Placement, identical FR, output levels, seating position and the bias involved with subjective "quality" impressions when the subwoofer that is playing is known.

From what it sounds like, I think these guys have a shot at bringing some tangible value out of this for everyone here, just as an added bonus to the fun they will have doing it.

Point taken. I could have cut a few months off my journey by getting the EQ right in the beginning. Also, having the owner of the subs there to verify performance will be a big plus!

I'm buying plywood tonight for two of Lilmike's Cinema F-20's. We'll have these at the GTG, too!

scubasteve's demo disk version 2.0 is out...
check out the 3rd post for the clip details.

This looks to be an AWESOME demo disk for future subwoofer meets

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283375

I'll be darned if there isn't a new thread about the Klipsch RW-12D subwoofer about every other week. Since it is regularly on sale for $350 it's become a heavily discussed article around here. My brother has one, but couldn't attend the KC sub meet. I really wish we would have had it at our meet to throw it in the mix.

Here is an old shootout for it.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...ofers?page=0,4

I'm thinking I might hold a little mini shootout with my bother's Klipsch rw-12d and my friend's BIC F12 assuming I can get them both to volunteer to bring their subs over. That should make for an interesting comparison for a lot of the folks on the budget end.

Did you have any other word from any of the vendors you hadn't heard from?

If noone from eD can make it, I might be able to bring the A7S-450.

Shoot me a PM if interested.

The cabinets have now been made for the Cinema F20's and the MFW-15 dual opposed sealed subs. A coworker of mine made them this past weekend. The next steps are to fill the holes, sand, prime, paint, and load drivers. Both of the Cinema F20's will be powered by a single Samson SX1200 amp. Each pair of dual opposed sealed subs will be powered by a Dayton SA1000 amp. For those wondering about price, both Cinema F20's and amp cost a total of $790. The four dual-opposed sealed subs with two amps cost $1861. This includes all materials, labor, drivers, and amps.

Probably be cheaper to use two ep4000's to power the dual opposed. The cabinets look great too!

Thanks! I paid $600 shipped for two Dayton SA1000 amps that were about a month old. I have been using another one of these amps for over a year and really like it. The passive cooling is especially nice.

I would cry to much, listening to that all day then go home to my bic-f12.