Originally Posted by fudney
Time for a little education bud. I once worked in retail, in my late teens. The only thing that matters to a B&M store is sales. The moron with the best line that got your money into the stores bank account was the guy who stayed at the job for any length of time. He was not an authority on any product he just had the best line of BS. and could actually make enough money to keep himself in stuff he wanted, while living with mom and dad. The nuclear physicist who fixes the equipment in the service department may have reached middle age at the position, if he was any good at all, as he may have made enough money to start a family. So for the extra money or same money in my case you actually got nothing except the warranty, you expected in the first place.
No distribution was controlled, the company I bought the unit from bought them at wholesale, and probably paid more per unit than Best Buy did. I should have a better warranty than you. The requirements for a certified B&M store are usually circumvented by the management anyway, the stock of parts, the skills of salesmen and the service department, only need to meet qualification once if at all. Why do you think they back up their service department with refurb units? You are living in a fools paradise if you think your unit is any better than mine. Same design, same factory, same production workers, no difference. If you buy this line of controlled distribution, explain why so many of these are available on the un warrantied internet. Because Pioneer will sell to anyone with money, integrity my butt. All you got for getting it at a B&M store was the warranty, which Pioneer had so much confidence in that they played games to escape from it. My unit started out just as good as yours and what broke mine will also break yours. Same design, same factory, same production workers, no difference. You bought nothing more than the warranty you should have had in the first place.
You know the only other new piece of equipment I bought from Pioneer was a CTF-750 Cassette deck, had great specs, in the late seventies I bought it cheap for $250.00. It could not even rewind a tape after a year, brought it in for service, got it "fixed", worked somewhat better for a few weeks gave up on it. Turns out it was a design flaw, guess they still have them. Maybe I see the past repeating itself, with Pioneer, and am now less tolerant. I was a technician with several companies, IBM at one time. Saw a lot of promises broken over the years, the promise of B&M integrity included. Ever hear of Circuit City, the building is now a medical facility. Don't be deluded yours is no better than mine no matter where you bought it, just has the warranty we all should have.
a lot of assumptions there guy
where did you buy the receiver?...I have asked a few times and you have yet to answer the question
i want to know for many reasons....and on another note Costco had printed on their website when they had the Pioneer Elite Sc25's a few years...." NO WARRANTY FROM PIONEER....THE UNIT WILL BE WARRANTIED THROUGH COSTCO"
as for reliability...I have never had any issues with Pioneer receivers
Years ago..I had a VSX1015...more recently...SC07,SC25,SC35,SC37,SC57...never had any issues with any of them
The SC25..I never actually used...Magnolia has them marked at 65-70% off retail and bought the two they had left. I flipped one on Ebay and it paid for the 1st one and about 50% of the second one. I gave that one to my mother and stepfather as a holiday gift a few years...still going strong
On another note..I ran an older VSC47TX .circa 2002...on ebay. I think it had an MSRP of around $3000 back then. A tank of a unit, at 64lbs, with some of the build quality I have ever seen including all the copper on the bottom of the unit
No remote included in the auction...anyway got it for less than $200( delivered)
One of the most musical receivers I have ever heard ...THX ultra2 rated...pity it doesn't have HDMI and decode the latest audio formats
I pull it out every now and then ......they dont make them like that anymore