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post #691 of 1569
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Originally Posted by cipstinger View Post

I just put on a the new pirates on BR with 7.1 master hd the receiver says master HD and all the speakers are lit up on the receiver but I am not hearing any sound from the two added tea surround they tested fine through MCACC but now nothing. I am going to continue to trouble shoot the manual while typing this thanks for any and all help

I saw the Latest Pirates last night with 7.1 I think and it sounded amazing with all the sound coming from the rear during the fight scenes. too bad I could only crank the AVR to around -30db since it was late at night.
post #692 of 1569
Hi guys, I've paged through this and a few other threads and couldn't find this particular topic discussed:

I have a fat PS3 (using L-PCM) connected via HDMI to the VSX-50. The VSX-50 is set to Auto Surround (which, depending on the source, I have been tweaking to use some of the Standard or Advanced surround modes).

Last night, I was testing out the sound using Jurassic Park on blu via the PS3. As it has 7.1 surround, it seemed like a good way to test settings and whatnot.

Then the confusion came... should I do PCM, Direct, Pure Direct? At first, the rear surrounds didn't seem to be working with simply letting Auto default to PCM, so I started switching around and got myself all sorts of spun around. (Are the rears working? Are they not working? Why aren't they very loud? Jeezy creezy that T. Rex sounds awesome!)

Just wondering if anyone else has a similar setup and, if so, how they typically have their AVR do the work.
post #693 of 1569
From looking at the manual online it appears that the USB port on the back cannot be used to play music (MP3) files from a flash drive.

Would someone please verify this is correct or better yet let me know that the rear USB can play MP3 files.
post #694 of 1569
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Originally Posted by DanGraney View Post

Hi guys, I've paged through this and a few other threads and couldn't find this particular topic discussed:

I have a fat PS3 (using L-PCM) connected via HDMI to the VSX-50. The VSX-50 is set to Auto Surround (which, depending on the source, I have been tweaking to use some of the Standard or Advanced surround modes).

Last night, I was testing out the sound using Jurassic Park on blu via the PS3. As it has 7.1 surround, it seemed like a good way to test settings and whatnot.

Then the confusion came... should I do PCM, Direct, Pure Direct? At first, the rear surrounds didn't seem to be working with simply letting Auto default to PCM, so I started switching around and got myself all sorts of spun around. (Are the rears working? Are they not working? Why aren't they very loud? Jeezy creezy that T. Rex sounds awesome!)

Just wondering if anyone else has a similar setup and, if so, how they typically have their AVR do the work.

i have a fat ps3 hooked up to a denon 3808ci and it is set to auto. that make of the ps3 does not do bit-stream so i think whatever you do it's gonna come out as pcm.my set up is 7-1 as well and yep!!the t-rex is just great!!sometimes my rears go silent as well and i believe it has more to do with the effect that is built into the soundtrack.for example on the movie super 8 the rear or back surrounds are fairly silent-until the train wreck that is-then they rock!! you can try going into your receivers speaker set up and manually boost the audio output on the rears only.i just got a pioneer elite vsx52 and i believe it does as good a job as the denon that is in the game room.in other words they both sound great!!the elite replaced a Sony 4300es that was a few years old and only had 3 hdmi inputs and i needed more.tried a switcher but that was having some bad handshake problems so enter pioneer elite vsx52.the sound in my opinion beats the Sony es avr hands down-and the Sony wasn't bad by any means.by the way my speakers are all klipch reference model with both receivers.good luck!!!
post #695 of 1569
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi Wozman,



1) Exactly WHAT Media are you trying to get to the Pioneer?

2) What Software Program do you use for this Media?

3) After Contacting your MOBO manufacturer and turning on HD Audio:
a) How were you instructed to do this, BIOS?
b) Option to see HDMI Output?
With my HTPC when I right click on the Speaker icon in the task bar, I have an option of:
"Realtek HDMI Output" and under that it states: "ATI HDMI Audio-Ready"
It bothers me that you do not see an option for HD HDMI Audio Output!
Just "Digital Output"
4) When you are playing this "Media" do you see a 5.1 Incoming Signal in the Audio Signal box on the front of the Pioneer?
This is shown on page 9 of the OP Manual, item # 2 over the display at the top of the page and then # 2 below, "Program Format Indicators"
If you are seeing L-C-R SL/SR LFE then your pioneer IS getting the necessary Format Input and you need to re-check the Audio Settings in your HTPC.
If you DO NOT see L-C-R SL/SR LFE then there is a problem with the HTPC not putting out the Surround Format.

Both Scenario's are pointing to your HTPC and ALL of today's receiver's would display the same thing.
Either you can find the correct settings or need to make another call to your MOBO Manufacturer or check the Software that works with your MOBO and it's specific settings.

Good Luck,
Bud B

Thanks for the response Bud B, (I have been busy)

Answer your questions
1) I am trying to play mkv files (Blu-Ray Rips) thru my HTPC. With the help of Assassins Blogs (he is on this forum) I am using WMC (Windows Media Center) and LAV Splitter which helps me bitstream the media to the Receiver.
2) Windows Media Center (WMC) and LAV Splitter (bitstreaming)
3) at first I had no sound on my HTPC, and with searching around the internet and these message boards it turned out that my HDMI-Audio was "disabled" when I entered the BIOS. So I enabled it, and then when I enter the Operating System under playback devices noticed that my HDMI-Audio has shown up. So now all my sound checks out....and everything plays fine. I get Dolby Digital and DTS However I do not see TrueHD and DTS-HD under the Encoded Formats provided. Which I find very odd....

4) So when I try to play a movie that has TrueHD or DTS-HD audio, I get no Audio out of my speakers.....on the display of my Pioneer receiver it is blank in that department. BUT when I play Audio that is not "HD" if its just DolbyDigital or DTS etc....it plays fine. I get great sound, I would say about 80% of my library is fine, but the other 20% is not. The HD-Audio rips.

I have a feeling like its MOBO related as I am using "ONBOARD SOUND & VIDEO" thru the Intel i3 Clarkdale....its not pumping out the signal of "HD" audio to my Receiver....thru the HDMI cable. Every other sound format works fin in my 5.1 Speakers. Very frustrating......

Should I try to re-install drivers? A Computer Store put together my build, and he swears to me that he installed the correct drivers....how would I know if I am missing a certain driver or update to a driver? I don't want to install more stuff that could cause more damage.

Any info greatly appreciated.
post #696 of 1569
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Originally Posted by sjitalian View Post


i have a fat ps3 hooked up to a denon 3808ci and it is set to auto. that make of the ps3 does not do bit-stream so i think whatever you do it's gonna come out as pcm.my set up is 7-1 as well and yep!!the t-rex is just great!!sometimes my rears go silent as well and i believe it has more to do with the effect that is built into the soundtrack.for example on the movie super 8 the rear or back surrounds are fairly silent-until the train wreck that is-then they rock!! you can try going into your receivers speaker set up and manually boost the audio output on the rears only.i just got a pioneer elite vsx52 and i believe it does as good a job as the denon that is in the game room.in other words they both sound great!!the elite replaced a Sony 4300es that was a few years old and only had 3 hdmi inputs and i needed more.tried a switcher but that was having some bad handshake problems so enter pioneer elite vsx52.the sound in my opinion beats the Sony es avr hands down-and the Sony wasn't bad by any means.by the way my speakers are all klipch reference model with both receivers.good luck!!!

Thanks for getting back. It helps to know about the rears; I may try boosting, as you mentioned. Do you have any thoughts about the whole pure/direct thing?
post #697 of 1569
Hi Wozman,

It is your HTPC! I thought so!

Check out these few links:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...7-htpc-part-i/

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011...d-audio-needs/

In his articles the MPC that he is referring to is not Windows Media Center but a free shareware player Media Player Classic....

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player...cinema-x86-x64

You will probably want to head over to the HTPC section of AVS Forums because your problem is not with your Pioneer Receiver but in your Computer.

HTPC Forum @AVS:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26

As stated in the first article I have Cyberlinks PowerDVD 10 Ultra that plays MY Blu-Ray burns of M2TS rather than MKV perfectly and it does send the HD Audio to my Pioneer correctly.
You either need a program like PowerDVD or configure your HTPC for these files or something discussed in the links provided for a bit of a workaround.
Also check those programs that you mentioned, your problem is that the Windows Media Center and programs are not correctly working with the MKV Codecs and then providing it to your Pioneer.

I use Image Burn to get me to an ISO File of my Blu-Ray and then I use Winzip to extract the full file structure of the Blu-Ray, I then go to BDMV and Stream for the M2TS file.

Good Luck,
Bud
post #698 of 1569
Hello, fellow audio/video enthusiasts. I am a new poster (long time lurker...I have always wanted to say, er, type this), and I am also a recent owner of the Pio VXS-52. Additionally, I am a relative newbie to this wonderful hobby, so please excuse my lack of knowledge. Regardless, I am having a bit of an issue with the receiver as of late, so I was wondering if any of you fine folks could help me out here.

I have an XBox 360, PS3, Sony Blu-Ray, and cable box all attached to the receiver via HDMI cords. I have noticed (and this issue has been happening rather frequently lately) that, when I turn my receiver on, switch to the appropriate HDMI input channel, and then turn on my respective component, there is no picture and no sound. However, when I turn my components on and follow them up with the receiver, I can usually obtain both picture and audio. Now, is this something about which I should be especially alarmed, or is this a relatively benign occurrence? What do you guys think is going on here?

If this issue has been addressed already, I apologize for the repetition; I do not have the time to read through 600+ pages of information.

If any of you can help in this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. Also, if I have not clarified my situation well enough, please let me know and I will do my best to articulate it further.
post #699 of 1569
Hi DarthSparty,

What you are describing is an HDMI Signal Handshake that occurs between components.
It is discussed throughout this thread and many others.

When the Pioneer turns on you will usually hear a click like a relay and the receiver is sending a HDMI Signal out to your HDTV.
If you turn your HDTV on last it will in many cases miss that initial HDMI Handshake signal.
The HDTV would eventually notice the Pioneer receiver if and when you possibly changed channels on your Cable / Satellite Box or started a Blu-Ray disc on your Player, etc.

Each person will find out what sequence their equipment prefers.
In my case it is the outboard gear such as Cable Box, HTPC, etc. on first,
then my HDTV on second and then last is the Pioneer receiver which will complete the handshake between them all.

The Harmony Logitech Universal Remotes let you program this Handshake Sequence into their remotes when you program them.
I have a Harmony 650 that I like a lot and with the touch of one single button it turns on my components and in the sequence that my equipment prefers.

Bottom line, it is nothing to worry about and in the Home Theater "All Connect" via HDMI scenario, it's just a way for all of your components to say Hello to each other
and get ready to work as One to make some Home Theater Magic...

Enjoy,

Bud B
post #700 of 1569
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi DarthSparty,

What you are describing is an HDMI Signal Handshake that occurs between components.
It is discussed throughout this thread and many others.

Each person will find out what sequence their equipment prefers.
In my case it is the outboard gear such as Cable Box, HTPC, etc. on first,
then my HDTV on second and then last is the Pioneer receiver which will complete the handshake between them all.

When the Pioneer turns on you will usually hear a click like a relay and the receiver is sending a HDMI Signal out to your HDTV.
If you turn your HDTV on last it will in many cases miss that initial HDMI Handshake signal.
The HDTV would eventually notice the Pioneer receiver if and when you possibly changed channels on your Cable / Satellite Box or Blu-Ray Player, etc.

The Harmony Logitech Universal Remotes let you program this Handshake Sequence into their remotes when you program them.
I have a Harmony 650 that I like a lot and with the touch of one single button it turns on my components and in the sequence that my equipment prefers.

Bottom line, it is nothing to worry about and in the Home Theater "All Connect" via HDMI scenario, it's just a way for all of your components to say Hello to each other
and get ready to work as One to make some Home Theater Magic...

Enjoy,

Bud B

Thank you, Bud, for the information. I figured that is was nothing serious, but, as I am sure you can relate, I want to protect my gear from any and all mishaps. I am a big fan of the VSX-52 (my wife is not, but that is her problem ), and I would hate to have to send it in after spending a good chunk of change for it.

Again, I appreciate the response.
post #701 of 1569
Hi DarthSparty,
Maybe if you got a Harmony Remote and your Wife had just 1 button to press to turn everything ON with and just 1 button to turn everything OFF with, she would be happier.
Then she could just use the Volume Up and Down and Channel Up and Down.
Or another remote that she is happy with, the Logitech will at least get the entire System up and down without any problems.

Bud B
post #702 of 1569
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Originally Posted by DanGraney View Post

Thanks for getting back. It helps to know about the rears; I may try boosting, as you mentioned. Do you have any thoughts about the whole pure/direct thing?

i have my vsx52 set to auto.i also use the standard surround mode that changes stereo or 2 channel audio to Dolby pro logic IIx.i am really starting to like this receiver more every day.i just played a dts 5-1 audio cd (Brian Wilson imagination)and it sounded great.of course Brian Wilson may not be everyones cup of tea i always liked the beach boys music anyway.this elite is definitely in the same league as my denon!! have you tried any of the thx sound fields yet?curious to know how they work.
post #703 of 1569
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Originally Posted by sjitalian View Post

i have my vsx52 set to auto.i also use the standard surround mode that changes stereo or 2 channel audio to Dolby pro logic IIx.i am really starting to like this receiver more every day.i just played a dts 5-1 audio cd (Brian Wilson imagination)and it sounded great.of course Brian Wilson may not be everyones cup of tea i always liked the beach boys music anyway.this elite is definitely in the same league as my denon!! have you tried any of the thx sound fields yet?curious to know how they work.

Actually, the VSX-50 does not have the THX options (unlike my old 1015).
post #704 of 1569
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi Wozman,

It is your HTPC! I thought so!

Check out these few links:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...7-htpc-part-i/

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011...d-audio-needs/

In his articles the MPC that he is referring to is not Windows Media Center but a free shareware player Media Player Classic....

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player...cinema-x86-x64

You will probably want to head over to the HTPC section of AVS Forums because your problem is not with your Pioneer Receiver but in your Computer.

HTPC Forum @AVS:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26

As stated in the first article I have Cyberlinks PowerDVD 10 Ultra that plays MY Blu-Ray burns of M2TS rather than MKV perfectly and it does send the HD Audio to my Pioneer correctly.
You either need a program like PowerDVD or configure your HTPC for these files or something discussed in the links provided for a bit of a workaround.
Also check those programs that you mentioned, your problem is that the Windows Media Center and programs are not correctly working with the MKV Codecs and then providing it to your Pioneer.

I use Image Burn to get me to an ISO File of my Blu-Ray and then I use Winzip to extract the full file structure of the Blu-Ray, I then go to BDMV and Stream for the M2TS file.

Good Luck,
Bud

Thanks Bud B,

I was just spinning my wheels about this issue for far to long, and wanted to make sure it was not my "new Receiver" causing me the grief. Not until yesterday I stumbled across someone with a similar issue on another forum. Since I have no dedicated video card, and rely on Intel i3 Clarkdale to push out the HD-Video and HD-Audio to my receiver......I guess I did not have the "latest" Intel HD Graphics driver installed "properly" after I installed it....viola I am now able to bitstream to my Pioneer VSX-1326k and get "TRUEHD" on the display.

Thanks for leading me to the right direction.
post #705 of 1569
I just picked one up from Bestbuy,

Is there not On Screen Display which shows the volume level or which audio mode the VSX-52 is in ?

The device works great but I can't seem to find any display settings (as far as OSD) The menu button works...

Is there a way to enable / disable the OSD?

Thanks
Joe
post #706 of 1569
Hi Akouri,

It has been well documented throughout this thread and the other Official Owners Threads (per each Pioneer Model) that Pioneer does not do an OSD / Overlay.
When you do go to setup the GUI (Graphical User Interface) will dominate your entire HDTV Screen.

The only way that you will see Volume and and I think Input on your HDTV is by using "HDMI Control" known on most HDTV's as CEC.
HDMI Control is explained starting on page 47 of the OP Manual.
If you use HDMI Control you will want to assign the HDMI Input for say your Cable or Satellite Box to the TV / SAT Input, because that is the Default Input selected when the Pioneer is turned On / Taken out of Standby.

So check it out and see what you think, most do not like using HDMI Control.

Congrats on your New Purchase!
I have the Elite VSX 53 and I really Like it a lot!
I was watching "This Old House" today and they had put a Nail Gun in the Surrounds and it really freaked me out, at first I was like "What was That? LOL!

Enjoy,

Bud B
post #707 of 1569
I've been researching these receivers for a while now. I am replacing a Pioneer Elite (can't remember the model number) that had some limitations that I only learned after I purchased the unit. The number one limitation was that the receiver had HDMI pass through but the audio signal only passed through to the tv. The receiver does not retain the audio signal. So I have to run an optical cable for sound so that I can hear my PS3 blurays through the surround sound.
So what am I missing this time around? What are the drawbacks to the VSX-53? What am I going to find out a year or two from now that this unit is lacking?

Thank you in advance for any input you can give.
post #708 of 1569
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Originally Posted by mbecc1 View Post

I've been researching these receivers for a while now. I am replacing a Pioneer Elite (can't remember the model number) that had some limitations that I only learned after I purchased the unit. The number one limitation was that the receiver had HDMI pass through but the audio signal only passed through to the tv. The receiver does not retain the audio signal. So I have to run an optical cable for sound so that I can hear my PS3 blurays through the surround sound.
So what am I missing this time around? What are the drawbacks to the VSX-53? What am I going to find out a year or two from now that this unit is lacking?

Thank you in advance for any input you can give.

If your only question is whether or not the VSX52 or 53 will do HDMI pass-through, the answer is...maybe. If you've read through the thread youve read it works for some and not for others. You best chance of success is if youve got a Kuro...

Other drawbacks? I cant think of any for me I love mine (the 52).
post #709 of 1569
Hi I have a little issue...usually I turned my cable box and tv on then my receiver and it work but likke 1 on 4 time nothing appen and I don't know why?? an when playing with ps3 who is connected with hdmi-hdmi I got like red snow...would like to finally enjoy my pio allthe way!! sorry if it's not clear I'm not apro and I speak french...I like the forum I already have read hour of information thanks to all
post #710 of 1569
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Originally Posted by FrankLeChef View Post

Hi I have a little issue...usually I turned my cable box and tv on then my receiver and it work but likke 1 on 4 time nothing appen and I don't know why?? an when playing with ps3 who is connected with hdmi-hdmi I got like red snow...would like to finally enjoy my pio allthe way!! sorry if it's not clear I'm not apro and I speak french...I like the forum I already have read hour of information thanks to all

I feel your pain. Occasionally when I go to watch TV or HTPC the HDMI doesnt quite sync the first time. Ive got a Harmony remote and have the receiver turning on last for everything...but sometimes I have to hit the activity again to "bounce" the HDMI port, then the blue light comes on and I get sync.
post #711 of 1569
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Originally Posted by blackangst View Post

I feel your pain. Occasionally when I go to watch TV or HTPC the HDMI doesnt quite sync the first time. Ive got a Harmony remote and have the receiver turning on last for everything...but sometimes I have to hit the activity again to "bounce" the HDMI port, then the blue light comes on and I get sync.

When it happens I try to switch liketo hdmi 2 then go back to one i useand nothnig happen sometime i close the receiver and re open it and it work but half the time I try for 20minutes before having something
post #712 of 1569
Hey guys, I could use some help here. I own the VSX-50 but from what I understand there are some similarities with this and the 52.

Anyways, just yesterday I noticed that after selecting "play" on 3 different blu ray movies (they were Up 3D (UK), Warrior, and Valkyrie) I had no audio at all. The trailers, main menu all had sound but as soon as I hit play, nothing. The display on the receiver simply read "stereo" and the little speaker icons in the display were not lit up.

I skipped to the next chapter on Up (as it turned out this was the quick fix for all three movies) and sure enough, sound! The receiver seemed to recognize the audio format from the disc, dial normed, and displayed "dts-hd mstr" in the display. It was as if the receiver didn't decode or recognize the audio information when I clicked play on the menu. It did this for all three movies but inconsistently. Even after stopping, ejecting and restarting, it was a toss up. Sometimes it played fine with audio like it should have and others nothing. Really weird as I have never had this happen. I have had the receiver for 3 months or so.

Has anyone else experienced this or know what this could be? Thanks for any help!
post #713 of 1569
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Originally Posted by iafzal View Post

I saw the Latest Pirates last night with 7.1 I think and it sounded amazing with all the sound coming from the rear during the fight scenes. too bad I could only crank the AVR to around -30db since it was late at night.

One of the best sounding movies I ve heard so far on my VSX 50. The best scene was in Ponce Deleon ship and they dropped the coin could hear roll around my room. Master and Commander also sounds great really sounds like people were running I'm the attic.
post #714 of 1569
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Originally Posted by FrankLeChef View Post

Hi me again thx for all the info...now my ps3 won't work dunno why....the x-box 360 ison dvd working fine I PUT PS3 ON VIDEO and nothing would happen somebody gota clue for that?? by the way no hdmi on the ps3...just analog
want to play bf3 on my new 60inches aqos!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had this problem when I hooked mine up I accidentally had put PS3 in DVD HDMI SLOT and DVD in bluray. When I switched it was fine . The only thing I can figure but haven't been able to confirm is bluray uses HDMI 1.3 and the DVD I think only went up to hdmi 1.2. so,the connections may be set that way also. Like I said just a guess and i may be wrong but it makes sense.
post #715 of 1569
^^^

nope, you are wrong... hdmi is backwards compatible... plus the hdmi specs aren't specific to dvd and bluray... plus the ability to play blurays was part of the original hdmi spec (high definition video is the reason we have hdmi to begin with)...

the "names" on the jacks are completely irrelevant... if you had simply chosen the correct input, it would have worked just fine...
post #716 of 1569
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Originally Posted by FrankLeChef View Post

an when playing with ps3 who is connected with hdmi-hdmi I got like red snow...

Hi FrankLeChef, on the PS3 try turning off "Deep Color/Colour Output (HDMI)" found under Display Settings.
post #717 of 1569
I had a problem with this recently. The HDMI cable's I was using were too advanced for my PS3. I went to my local big box and picked up their most basic HDMI, and ta-da. Problem solved. Hope this helps.
post #718 of 1569
^^^

read my post again...
post #719 of 1569
Hey Mac users:

Anybody else wondering if, with the newly announced OSX Mountain Lion and it's built-in AirPlay function, if we'll be able to stream more than just our iTunes to the Pioneer? (we'll be able to stream to the AppleTV, but I wonder if the receivers will allow full-screen emulation, as well.)
post #720 of 1569
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi FrankLeChef, on the PS3 try turning off "Deep Color/Colour Output (HDMI)" found under Display Settings.

thx but deepcolour is already off...do you have any other suggestion ??
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