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post #841 of 1569
Hi guys,
Long time lurker. First time poster. I have a quick question about this receiver....

when i play a 5.1 source ( on my 7.2 set up) the avr uses my side surrounds and not my rears.

Its it possible to"force" the avr to use the rears instead?

its a vsx 52.

thanks!
post #842 of 1569
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Originally Posted by shelly View Post

I'm reading the 52/53 manual now and learned that it is easy to adjust speaker levels on the fly from what the calibration sets.

Will the 52 revert to the calibrated speaker levels once the power is turned off and then on again. (My current receiver allows for on the fly adjustments and then returns to the calibrated levels when turned off/on.)

Thanks.

Shelly

to the best of my knowledge, nope... it will maintain whatever levels you have changed them to...

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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

Hi guys,
Long time lurker. First time poster. I have a quick question about this receiver....

when i play a 5.1 source ( on my 7.2 set up) the avr uses my side surrounds and not my rears.

Its it possible to"force" the avr to use the rears instead?

its a vsx 52.

thanks!

nope... by definition, 5.1 includes "surrounds", not "rears"... and you wouldn't want to do that even if you could...

if you want to let your rears in on the party, use one of the matrixing schemes, such as dpliix...
post #843 of 1569
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Originally Posted by shelly View Post

Will the 52 revert to the calibrated speaker levels once the power is turned off and then on again.

You can easily copy one of your EQ settings to another memory location and play all you want. If you want to return home again simply redo the copy... it only takes a few seconds. Of course you could maintain the two (or up to 6) and simply switch between them.
post #844 of 1569
Is anyone else having issues with their VSX-5X locking up when using the ios app iControlAV2?

Prior to getting an RF harmony remote, I was using my iphone as the remote via the app since my VSX-53 is in another room. When controlling the receiver via the app, I would have issues where the receiver wouldn't shutdown fully. You could hear the relay "hump" when turning off, but the display would still be active. I would have to manually hold the power button until a full shutdown occurred or pull the power plug to turn the system back on.

Once I started to use my 1100 Harmony, the shutdown/startup lockup issue went away. My guess is that it has something to do with how the receiver accepts and executes the commands from the app.

Also, is anyone using Zone 2 and airplay? Any recommended zone-2 amps? Any issues w/ controlling volume & song selection?

abe
post #845 of 1569
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Originally Posted by abefroman2005 View Post

Is anyone else having issues with their VSX-5X locking up when using the ios app iControlAV2?

Prior to getting an RF harmony remote, I was using my iphone as the remote via the app since my VSX-53 is in another room. When controlling the receiver via the app, I would have issues where the receiver wouldn't shutdown fully. You could hear the relay "hump" when turning off, but the display would still be active. I would have to manually hold the power button until a full shutdown occurred or pull the power plug to turn the system back on.

Once I started to use my 1100 Harmony, the shutdown/startup lockup issue went away. My guess is that it has something to do with how the receiver accepts and executes the commands from the app.

Also, is anyone using Zone 2 and airplay? Any recommended zone-2 amps? Any issues w/ controlling volume & song selection?

abe

I use the receiver for zone 2 to power 3 sets of speakers in my backyard. it gets plenty loud for what i need. Airplay works fine as does pandora.

only nuisance is that pandara music is louder at the same volume level then if i play a CD through the PS3. still cant' figure that one out.

as for amps, perhaps a sonus amp would work if you have any desire to have sonus speakers in other parts of your house.
post #846 of 1569
I just replaced my VSX-03THX with a 52. Primary reasons were to use 3D pass through and Air Play (which I love).
I am amazed at the difference between the two receivers in terms of sound quality. The 52 seems much sharper and clearer.
Is there a used market for the VSX-03? Or is it a pass down to one of my kids? I saw a couple for sale on EBay but no sales.
post #847 of 1569
ok, excuse the newb questions...

how do i know if my receiver is using the hd master audio track??

it always just says pcm....
post #848 of 1569
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

ok, excuse the newb questions...

how do i know if my receiver is using the hd master audio track??

it always just says pcm....

Hint: the receiver displays the audio its receiving...might want to check your source.
post #849 of 1569
i get that, but even when i select a dts master audio track, it still displays pcm.

is that right?
post #850 of 1569
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

i get that, but even when i select a dts master audio track, it still displays pcm.

is that right?

At minimum your receiver should display DTS, but should read DTS HD.

What hardware is your source?
post #851 of 1569
Hello everyone, just stopping by with a quick question. Probably a very stupid question but I'll ask anyway. It's also a question that could probably be asked of any A/V receiver, possibly even in a general HDMI thread, but I'm going to ask it here as the VSX-52 is on my short list of future receivers to look at.

Here goes.

I run a dinosaur TV, a Toshiba 51H84, which in translation (for those who might not know) is a CRT RPTV. It has an HDMI input. One. Regardless I love this TV but that's neither here nor there.

Currently I'm feeding HD video to it from a PS3 (4th gen slim) and I've had no issues. Not sure what generation the HDMI "version" is on the TV, I think it's 1.2 or something like that. I'm figuring my PS3 has the latest, for obvious reasons. It talks to my TV no problem. This brings me to the question:

There shouldn't be an issue hooking up a VSX-52 to this kind of television, right? If the PS3 can do it chances are the receiver will as well?

I'm sorry if it's dumb, and possibly obvious, but spending about $1000 on a receiver only to find out it might not "talk" to my TV would be a huge kick in the gonads.

So should I be okay?
post #852 of 1569
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Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

i get that, but even when i select a dts master audio track, it still displays pcm.

is that right?

Is your BDP set to decode the Master Audio track? Check that, because you don't want it to, and that could be why your PCM display is on the AVR.
post #853 of 1569
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post

i get that, but even when i select a dts master audio track, it still displays pcm.

is that right?

if it displays "pcm", that is what the source is sending it...

check your source settings...
post #854 of 1569
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Originally Posted by novakm View Post

My Review, part 2

This is about all of the "high tech" features of the VSX-52.

* I was excited about the Internet radio capability (HMG), since I get poor reception, and there are some distant stations I like. The interface is terrible, requiring scrolling through menus. I could not find any way that I could turn on the unit, press a single button to select a station, and enjoy, like I can do with regular radio. Even worse is that it's not stable. Station drops out randomly, and you have to go to the unit to reset it. Stations change randomly. Sometimes, two stations play at once. I was not able to get it to play any station more than 1 hour without some problem spoiling the experience. I will go back to using my IPod until there is a firmware update.

* AirPlay. This is a great feature, when it works. Just select VSX-52 on the Ipod, and it plays there. I can select songs, pause, resume, and control the volume all right from the IPod. When it works. 1/2 the time the IPOD does not show the VSX-52 choice, and sometimes the connection is dropped.

* Bluetooth. This is a great idea, and it seems to work well. Range is limited to about 30 feet. It also sounds like the bandwidth of Bluetooth is very low. Makes my system sound like at cheap boom box. I returned the adapter and I will go back to using the Ipod dock.

* HDMI - The cable box downgrades to 720P when I turn the TV on. Sometimes, turning the TV on kills the sound feed. I tried the troubleshooting hints on the boards with no success. I disconnected HDMI from the cable box, and have it connected with component leads. So the way to make HDMI work reliably is to disconnect it. Seems to work fine with the BluRay player.

* This thing is big! I had to move my center speaker to accomodate the height, and take the back off my cabinet to accomodate the depth.

* The volume control is much too fine, in 1/2DB increments. Holding down the button makes it go too fast. I'm going to play with my Harmony remote to see if there is a setting for repeat speed, or else program it to repeat 6 times when I press the button so I get 3DB increments.

* There are no specs available for the IR in. I have tried a couple different things, and have not gotten it to work yet. I will eventually, but it would be much better if Pioneer just told us what's needed, instead of telling us to ask the remote supplier.

* I like that each input can be completely tuned without affecting the others. I have had a lot of fun tweaking all of the different settings, but eventually will get to the point where I never have to tweak again.

You will notice that most of the problems have one thing in common. They require the VSX-52 to work with with software and hardware from others, using poorly designed or nonexistent standards. I have decided not to return the unit because I doubt another brand would do these things better. It's too easy for manufacturers to point fingers at each other while not solving the problem.

" The volume control is much too fine, in 1/2DB increments. Holding down the button makes it go too fast. I'm going to play with my Harmony remote to see if there is a setting for repeat speed, or else program it to repeat 6 times when I press the button so I get 3DB increments."

did you have any luck with that? that's my only gripe with this receiver. i have a harmony 1100.
thanks
J
post #855 of 1569
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post


if it displays "pcm", that is what the source is sending it...

check your source settings...

So what should the receiver display if it is decoding the HD Master Audio Track?
Seems no matter what audio track I select on my Blu-Ray Player, My 52 consistently displays PCM....
post #856 of 1569
^^^

then you aren't selecting the right track from the player, or you have another setting on the player that is forcing the unpacking of the codec to happen there... secondary audio is a known culprit here... amoungst other settings...

the avr is passive... it does not say "give me xxx"... it takes whatever it gets...
post #857 of 1569
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKnobb View Post


So what should the receiver display if it is decoding the HD Master Audio Track?
Seems no matter what audio track I select on my Blu-Ray Player, My 52 consistently displays PCM....

I've noticed my ps3 says PCM for every video game also (I have a separate player for blu ray movies). I thought that's just the type of audio it uses but it would be nice to get a variety...
post #858 of 1569
^^^

it all ends up as pcm once it enters the avr anyway...
post #859 of 1569
so if it ask ends up as PCM, how do i know if its playing the dts-hd audio? do i even have an issue here?
post #860 of 1569
^^^

you don't... check the info screen IN YOUR PLAYER...

it is YOUR PLAYER that is determining what is sent, either by the disk authoring or by the settings...

don't know how much clearer we can make this?
post #861 of 1569
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

you don't... check the info screen IN YOUR PLAYER...

it is YOUR PLAYER that is determining what is sent, either by the disk authoring or by the settings...

don't know how much clearer we can make this?

This. Your player is the culprit. If the receiver says PCM its because the player is sending PCM, irregardless of the disk youre playing. You need to poke around in your player settings and find your audio out settings...maybe pass-through or something similar. Just because the disk youre playing says DTS-HD on it doesnt mean thats what your player is sending to the AVR.
post #862 of 1569
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadaffy View Post

Hello everyone, just stopping by with a quick question. Probably a very stupid question but I'll ask anyway. It's also a question that could probably be asked of any A/V receiver, possibly even in a general HDMI thread, but I'm going to ask it here as the VSX-52 is on my short list of future receivers to look at.

Here goes.

I run a dinosaur TV, a Toshiba 51H84, which in translation (for those who might not know) is a CRT RPTV. It has an HDMI input. One. Regardless I love this TV but that's neither here nor there.

Currently I'm feeding HD video to it from a PS3 (4th gen slim) and I've had no issues. Not sure what generation the HDMI "version" is on the TV, I think it's 1.2 or something like that. I'm figuring my PS3 has the latest, for obvious reasons. It talks to my TV no problem. This brings me to the question:

There shouldn't be an issue hooking up a VSX-52 to this kind of television, right? If the PS3 can do it chances are the receiver will as well?

I'm sorry if it's dumb, and possibly obvious, but spending about $1000 on a receiver only to find out it might not "talk" to my TV would be a huge kick in the gonads.

So should I be okay?

You should be ok as long as you set the Video resolution to something that your RPTV can display. The manual has what your options are on page 52 and page 16. Your display should be capable of displaying 1080i or 480p/i . I had a Toshiba TW40X81 an those were my supported resolutions . Good luck
post #863 of 1569
I really don't mean to frustrate you all...
but you mean the setting on my BluRay Player itself, not the menu of the bluray i am trying to play.....right?

I have the pioneer elite bdp-53fd = what output setting should i use?

Mike
post #864 of 1569
^^^^
Yes, your bluray needs to be set to bitstream with secondary audio turned off. Doing so will only mean you'll see DTS Master Audio or Dolby Tru HD show up on your RCVR. The audio will not be any different than if it said PCM.

I have a older 82TXS that does not decode the new audio formats. Sending it PCM means I'm getting the same audio as a newer RCVR. No audible difference.
post #865 of 1569
Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

I use the receiver for zone 2 to power 3 sets of speakers in my backyard. it gets plenty loud for what i need. Airplay works fine as does pandora.

only nuisance is that pandara music is louder at the same volume level then if i play a CD through the PS3. still cant' figure that one out.

as for amps, perhaps a sonus amp would work if you have any desire to have sonus speakers in other parts of your house.

Anyone have a suggestion for why a cd in my ps3 is about 20db lower than pandora? I have the fat ps3 and it is set to PCM. I can't figure it out for the life of me.
post #866 of 1569
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Originally Posted by rczarne View Post

You should be ok as long as you set the Video resolution to something that your RPTV can display. The manual has what your options are on page 52 and page 16. Your display should be capable of displaying 1080i or 480p/i . I had a Toshiba TW40X81 an those were my supported resolutions . Good luck

I downloaded the manual a few days ago and didn't even think to check for that. And yep, 1080i is listed.

Thank you very much for your answer.
post #867 of 1569
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but don't feel like skimming through 29 pages to find out.

Is the receiver resetting to factory settings common? This has happened to me twice in a matter of a couple months.
I noticed this started after I bought a new power conditioner (Panamax M5100-PM). I turn off the Panamax when my electronics are not in use, and the receiver is NOT plugged into the "always on" outlet. Could this be the problem?
post #868 of 1569
very good thread guys thanks!
post #869 of 1569
Quick question about dual subs and the VSX-52...does the AVR allow me to set different xovers for each sub? I couldnt tell reading through the manual (or I missed it!).
post #870 of 1569
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Originally Posted by blackangst View Post

Quick question about dual subs and the VSX-52...does the AVR allow me to set different xovers for each sub? I couldnt tell reading through the manual (or I missed it!).

Nope... it's just an internal Y-splitter.
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