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Your theater looks great man. Really like your design. Was wondering if you would share how long are the steps on your risers length wise?

Thank you! Still loving it!

For the stairs, I believe BIG's initial drawing was what we used in our final build. I hope that gives you what you were asking about. The steps are just the right size (In my opinion) but they need better lighting. I would use LED strips if I did it again.



Side Note: We had another couple over the other night that hadn't been in our home before, and we went to go watch a movie and as soon as the lights came on and he saw the theater he just shook his head and started laughing and said "What? You have got to be shitting me!"
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Side Note: We had another couple over the other night that hadn't been in our home before, and we went to go watch a movie and as soon as the lights came on and he saw the theater he just shook his head and started laughing and said "What? You have got to be shitting me!"

I got a similar response from our guests on Superbowl Sunday. One guy, who admittedly is not easily impressed and who rarely gives compliments, must have told me 4 or 5 times how awesome the room was. Every time I showed him something, he just laughed and shook his head. He was one of many that gave me a hard time about taking so long to finish the room, so it felt pretty good to hear "WOW, now I know why it took you so long". smile.gif
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Hey D, great theater man, just read the whole thing start to finish. It took me 5 days, lol.

As for your step lights, cant you just use a higher wattage bulb to get that little bit of extra light??

Also, I am going to be stealing a lot of yours and Big's designs. I've started my room and I'm taking pics so maybe I'll start a thread.

Your landscaping renderings look fantastic and I look forward to seeing that unfold.

Robin
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Hey D, great theater man, just read the whole thing start to finish. It took me 5 days, lol.

As for your step lights, cant you just use a higher wattage bulb to get that little bit of extra light??

Also, I am going to be stealing a lot of yours and Big's designs. I've started my room and I'm taking pics so maybe I'll start a thread.

Your landscaping renderings look fantastic and I look forward to seeing that unfold.

Robin

Step Lights - Doubtful. The plate itself limits the light that can come through. It really is a few small slits. I might look at just a flat plate of some kind with a whole translucent panel to let more light through. Fortunately it is still installed inside of a normal gang-box so I could replace it with pretty much anything that fits that way. That at least is a small and simple change.

Thank you for the compliments. Make sure you don't focus only on one build. Look through many. I was totally in love with Sandman's build when I did this, and still am. However I've seen a lot of things, especially in the last year, which I like a lot. People have done some excellent work with trim, soffits, and lighting, which I really like. I'd probably do it a little differently if I did it again. Usually though, most things as far as the style, don't matter so much once the lights go out, which is the vast majority of the time. But the look is the first impression and gets people excited when they see it. Dim lighting like step lights, or even other theme lighting is important if you want to be able to not trip going down steps or see things like food/remotes. It has to be really dim though. The smallest amounts of light tends to wash out the screen. It is amazing how much the picture changes with the soffit lights on the edges on the lowest levels. So it needs to be dim enough to not alter the picture but bright enough to be able to actually see it. This is something used all of the time, so to me is a lot more important.

I'm excited about the landscaping/pool work too. The cost is just well beyond my capacity for budgeting. Buying a house is easy, even when it is super expensive, because it is financed by rolling up into a single mortgage, which is backed by the house itself. A Car works the same way. Things like this get tricky. Because if a project costs $200k total, you can't just write a check for that. (Well some people can I suppose). And because the chunks of the project are dependent on other parts, you can't just say i'll do $20k here and there. The pool needs to be done and paid for in a single bunch of financing. The pool itself requires minimum concrete decking and a fence. But the grading for the area will all need to be done in advance, which means a dug up yard. We are probably going to do a small section first, which will begin with the area under and around our deck. So we will have things like our grill, and a hot tub pad area ready. That's about 1/3 of the concrete work. From there we can wait another year probably to look at the next steps and see where we are financially.
post #1655 of 1836
Have you thought about DIY'ing (or at least subbing out yourself) the construction of the pool? I always think that the prices that I hear for pools sound ridiculous. I've never really looked into it deep enough though, since a pool is still several projects down on my priority list.
post #1656 of 1836
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Have you thought about DIY'ing (or at least subbing out yourself) the construction of the pool? I always think that the prices that I hear for pools sound ridiculous. I've never really looked into it deep enough though, since a pool is still several projects down on my priority list.

Not even once. haha. Considering the need for heavy construction equipment and the concrete pouring rigs I've seen... well let's just say I haven't and have no plans to look into that. hehe.

Remember, the majority of the cost for me personally is due to the design/layout we have requested. A lot of that stonework and concrete for the patio is completely unnecessary in relation to the pool.
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Not even once. haha. Considering the need for heavy construction equipment and the concrete pouring rigs I've seen... well let's just say I haven't and have no plans to look into that. hehe.

Remember, the majority of the cost for me personally is due to the design/layout we have requested. A lot of that stonework and concrete for the patio is completely unnecessary in relation to the pool.

I've actually worked for a pool business for 6 years and let me tell you if you've never built an in ground pool before you don't want your first time doing it by yourself. You'll need help from someone whose done it before. The concrete needs to be poured in a very specific way and you can only use certain types of concrete. Trowelling concrete on steep deep end inclines isn't something a newbie can do. Obviously the concrete work is the hardest part. After making sure the walls are perfectly level the rest any idiot could do.
post #1658 of 1836
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I've actually worked for a pool business for 6 years and let me tell you if you've never built an in ground pool before you don't want your first time doing it by yourself. You'll need help from someone whose done it before. The concrete needs to be poured in a very specific way and you can only use certain types of concrete. Trowelling concrete on steep deep end inclines isn't something a newbie can do. Obviously the concrete work is the hardest part. After making sure the walls are perfectly level the rest any idiot could do.

Exactly. I had no plans to attempt this. I'm pretty comfortable with general construction, but this was way outside of my comfort zone. Plus I want it to look perfect.
post #1659 of 1836
This is a good looking stage. Do you have plans for it that show the dimensions? I saw the ones that were in the picture that was taped on the wall but I couldn't read it. I am particularly interested in step radius, the "run" of the step, and the structural dimensions. Thanks!
post #1660 of 1836
This is a good looking stage. Do you have plans for it that show the dimensions? I saw the ones that were in the picture that was taped on the wall but I couldn't read it. I am particularly interested in step radius, the "run" of the step, and the structural dimensions. Thanks!
post #1661 of 1836
Sorry about the duplication. I kept getting an error message like it wasn't posting.
post #1662 of 1836
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No problem. Think you missed the first time the pic was posted (Page 3) vs the small one on the wall on page 4.

I believe though we did make the curve itself shorter so it didn't stick out so much. I dont know that we did a final measurement on it. we just did a visual inspection and said good when it came to the curve.

post #1663 of 1836
As built was definitely flatter. We just stood there with a bendable board and experimented until we said "well that looks pretty good".
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.........We just stood there with a bendable board and experimented until we said "well that looks pretty good".

That's a good way to do it. Full scale drafting. Works great on landscape design with a sharp stick in one hand scraping lines in the dirt and a cold bottle of beer in the other hand.
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That's a good way to do it. Full scale drafting. Works great on landscape design with a sharp stick in one hand scraping lines in the dirt and a cold bottle of beer in the other hand.

Isn't that the best way to do any drafting/design work!
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Thank you!
post #1667 of 1836
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When my patio is done, I would like to have 2 speakers set up at the edge of the covered deck, facing outward, as well as 2 speakers next to the covered pavilion. I would like them all to play the same music. I would like to be able to control it all from some location outdoors, either by remote, or by a control panel at the grill location under the deck. Ideally, I'd like it to have the capability to pay from an ipod and xm radio. How would you set this up ideally outdoors?
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When my patio is done, I would like to have 2 speakers set up at the edge of the covered deck, facing outward, as well as 2 speakers next to the covered pavilion. I would like them all to play the same music. I would like to be able to control it all from some location outdoors, either by remote, or by a control panel at the grill location under the deck. Ideally, I'd like it to have the capability to pay from an ipod and xm radio. How would you set this up ideally outdoors?

you can use sonos the connect amp model it can play your itunes library, pandora, rhapsody ect... can be controled from ipad iphone ipod , pc .....
it is expensive but face it they have come with something that just works well and is super easy to setup.
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When my patio is done, I would like to have 2 speakers set up at the edge of the covered deck, facing outward, as well as 2 speakers next to the covered pavilion. I would like them all to play the same music. I would like to be able to control it all from some location outdoors, either by remote, or by a control panel at the grill location under the deck. Ideally, I'd like it to have the capability to pay from an ipod and xm radio. How would you set this up ideally outdoors?

Not sure how elaborate you are going, but I have a Russound whole house audio system. I have 4 zones dedicated for outside plus the garage. It worked for me since I was also using it for all the zones within the house.

You might consider facing some speakers in towards the house as well. I live on 5 acre's and have some speaker's facing outward and the neighbors can still here it. Seems to travel due to the openness.

Also, I added more speakers than just the traditional pairs. Especially given multiple levels this allowed me to keep the sound levels lower and maintain a more equal sound throughout.
post #1670 of 1836
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Not sure how elaborate you are going, but I have a Russound whole house audio system. I have 4 zones dedicated for outside plus the garage. It worked for me since I was also using it for all the zones within the house.

You might consider facing some speakers in towards the house as well. I live on 5 acre's and have some speaker's facing outward and the neighbors can still here it. Seems to travel due to the openness.

Also, I added more speakers than just the traditional pairs. Especially given multiple levels this allowed me to keep the sound levels lower and maintain a more equal sound throughout.

I have a Russound whole house audio system as well, but it is the older AH4D, which has all 4 ports used. The expander is discontinued, but due to how they wired it I would have no source control outside. So unless I replaced the system (Or parts of it) I couldn't use it really to accomplish what I want.

I also have 5 acres, but I am not worried about neighbors in this case. There are none behind me.

I saw a product called "Decktunes" at outdooraudio.com, but it is $1300. That is nearing sonos prices there.
post #1671 of 1836
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Made the down payment for the first stage of the patio yesterday! I went through the yard and put little flags to see where the outline of everything would be. It totally puts the space into perspective! This first part isn't very exiting of course, but it IS a start.
post #1672 of 1836
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Made the down payment for the first stage of the patio yesterday! I went through the yard and put little flags to see where the outline of everything would be. It totally puts the space into perspective! This first part isn't very exiting of course, but it IS a start.

Congrats. That's gonna be a great space...now you are going to have to divide your time between two great spaces! smile.gif
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Made the down payment for the first stage of the patio yesterday! I went through the yard and put little flags to see where the outline of everything would be. It totally puts the space into perspective! This first part isn't very exiting of course, but it IS a start.

And it comes with a star ceiling built-in! smile.gif
post #1674 of 1836
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And it comes with a star ceiling built-in! smile.gif

Yes... yes it does!

I will document the progress of course, but it will take a couple of years I think for us to complete it. (The patio/pool, not the stars.. that takes a LOT longer)
post #1675 of 1836
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By the way I think I figured out what I am going to do about Audio. I will probably grab something like the Pioneer VSX-60 (~$450 online) and use A/B speakers outside for it. Not only can it do all of the network streaming, internet radio, etc, but I can control it over WIFI with my IPad/Iphone etc. This will allow me to not need any additional equipment outdoors than my phone, which I would have out there anyway. I'll just need to run speaker wire outside which is easy enough. I'll have to probably throw out an access point anyway for WIFI access on the patio area. It's cheaper than the other options I've seen at least, and accomplishes my goals. Plus, if I had to, I could use it to put a TV outside eventually if I ever wanted to.
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Thank you! Still loving it!

........ The steps are just the right size (In my opinion) but they need better lighting. I would use LED strips if I did it again.



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Originally Posted by rmajor55 View Post

As for your step lights, cant you just use a higher wattage bulb to get that little bit of extra light??

Robin

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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Step Lights - Doubtful. The plate itself limits the light that can come through. It really is a few small slits. I might look at just a flat plate of some kind with a whole translucent panel to let more light through. Fortunately it is still installed inside of a normal gang-box so I could replace it with pretty much anything that fits that way. That at least is a small and simple change.

.......


Hey D,

Great build!

I'm looking at your same step lights. Do you think if two were installed per step it would be enough light? (my steps will be 32" wide)

Thanks
Edited by Yzfbossman - 2/28/13 at 9:29am
post #1677 of 1836
Damelon, you could order one of these and give it a try, should be a direct replacement of the cover. If not it is designed to fit in a single gang box

http://www.lightingdirect.com/elco-elst63-7w-horizontal-incandescent-mini-step-light-with-smooth-white-acrylic-lens/p1661338?source=amz_1661338&baid=766460669

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Damelon, you could order one of these and give it a try, should be a direct replacement of the cover. If not it is designed to fit in a single gang box

If you go this route, I'd be curious as to how it turns out. I planned on using the lights you have installed now, but I could get the ones Big referenced if they work better.

The issue may be that they are so close to the step the light can't spread. I have this same scenario with two of my lights (rather, soon-to-be lights).

Tim
post #1679 of 1836
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If you go this route, I'd be curious as to how it turns out. I planned on using the lights you have installed now, but I could get the ones Big referenced if they work better.

The issue may be that they are so close to the step the light can't spread. I have this same scenario with two of my lights (rather, soon-to-be lights).

Tim

I think I'll try switching to the ones big listed. They will put out more light for sure. The current ones were meant to be dim, they are just too dim. I'll post the results

Update : ORDERED!
Edited by damelon - 2/28/13 at 9:32am
post #1680 of 1836
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Breaking ground on Patio - Phase 1 tomorrow! This will be mostly the excavation, drain pipes, electrical conduit prep. We may or may not get snow this week which might delay my concrete work, but all of the parts for my outdoor kitchen should arrive I'm guessing Wed. This is just a small portion of the whole project, but hopefully we'll be able to finish most of the things (outside of landscaping) by the end of 2014. We'll see how it goes.
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