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post #1681 of 2309
Good luck with it, glad mine is finally finished and I've been enjoying the fire pit especialaly - going to start up a fire in a few minutes, matter of fact.

Bud
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on your patio. Should be very nice indeed.

Regards,

RTROSE
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on your patio. Should be very nice indeed.

Regards,

RTROSE

+1

I love watching outdoor projects come together.
post #1684 of 2309
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They have started this morning. Took the "Before" pictures, but since it is stamped concrete, it is going very quickly, and I don't have the knowledge base to direct as well as I would like. They are digging out the area now, and starting on the drainage, but I need to go pick up a shower drain inlay for them before they pour! Things like that. Concrete is so permanent, only get one shot to do it right.


There will be a few changes from the initial renderings. We aren't using "stacked/ledge" stone but instead will be going with irregular chunks. Color will be close to the patio itself. Initially the concrete will only be stamped with a shape but after words they do an acid-wash to make multiple colors. Hopefully I will be able to get progress as this goes.

We bumped out the hot tub area due to the fact that the design had an incorrect width for that section of the house. So we rounded it out a bit (Pictured)

If you look at the renderings, the area we chose was from the base of the staircase to the end of our deck stairs and the hot tub slab. So that will include the bar & grill area too. After the concrete work is finished we will finish the ceiling under the deck and put up lighting.

There are several pipes for drainage, and a few electrical conduits buried.
Edited by damelon - 3/4/13 at 2:09pm
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"Before" pictures of the area

Here are a couple of wide shots



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Now some closer "Before" photos





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Now the "pre-concrete" work









post #1688 of 2309
Man - that's gonna be a lot of nice usable entertainment space. You're gonna love it!

That covered area will be great as well. I wish I would have extended my roof to have a covered area. Nice to have for when the rains come through and you still want to keep the party outside.
post #1689 of 2309
Looks like a great job. Are you going to have something built under the corner of the raised deck? That's an awful lot of concrete going under there!

Make sure they support that reinforcing on something (bricks, chairs, whatever) before they place the concrete. Sounds like a "yeah, of course they will" type of question, but I've seen it omitted more than once.

Tim
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Man - that's gonna be a lot of nice usable entertainment space. You're gonna love it!

That covered area will be great as well. I wish I would have extended my roof to have a covered area. Nice to have for when the rains come through and you still want to keep the party outside.

can't ad a rainscape system under your deck? the make some that for decks that have already been built
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Now the "pre-concrete" work
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very nice !!! i would have been so nervous watching them dig around those deck post ...

can't wait to see all the progress pics
post #1692 of 2309
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Make sure they support that reinforcing on something (bricks, chairs, whatever) before they place the concrete. Sounds like a "yeah, of course they will" type of question, but I've seen it omitted more than once.

Tim
X 2... doesnt do much "reinforcing" when its half buried in the compacted crush. Its gonna be a nice pad!
post #1693 of 2309
rebar chairs

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To answer questions:

1) Rebar chairs - I have no idea. I never saw them finish it last time when my wife had it done. I'll stick around in the morning and bring it up before they pour concrete.
2) Rainscape System - You mean like the "Underdeck" product right? where the ceiling channels the water away? Most of my deck is already "water-tight" (The covered portion). We are going to be using that product though for the roof of the part of the deck that is not already covered. Not sure on the color, but we are adding lighting to the covered side of it to be sure.
3) The "corner" under the raised deck - Yes, that is an entire outdoor kitchen. Things like Grill, Fridge, drawers. All of those parts are on the way. They need to dig deeper there to pour thicker concrete to support the weight.

See here, here, and here for some of the original renderings
post #1695 of 2309
and of coarse we getting slammed with snow on wed.
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and of coarse we getting slammed with snow on wed.

Shhh!! Yeah that's been the big talk, probably delaying our project. I've seen 8-12" reported, which means it will flurry some and rain a lot haha
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Shhh!! Yeah that's been the big talk, probably delaying our project. I've seen 8-12" reported, which means it will flurry some and rain a lot haha

LOL thats what i was saying today to


i looked at the pics and if you already answered this sorry for asking again ..... i noticed a hotub .. just curious why your not doing hot tub built in with the pool?
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LOL thats what i was saying today to


i looked at the pics and if you already answered this sorry for asking again ..... i noticed a hotub .. just curious why your not doing hot tub built in with the pool?

Never been a fan on the built in spas. You are very limited as far as choices go, and maintenance is that much more of a pain. We had planned from the beginning to put the hot tub where we are due to how close it is to our back door (When it snows or is freezing, it makes it very convenient) and complete privacy. Although we really only have one neighbor in visual range, in the winter there is nothing blocking a view from their house to the general pool area. They are really cool neighbors though, even grow their own hops and brew their own beer! I have a nice quad IPA I'm waiting to break open, maybe during this snowstorm! We even ordered our hot tub yesterday. Last year's models on closeout so 0% financing and about $3k off from this year's prices.

I talked with the contractors this morning before I left for work, they do plan on raising the support rebars so we're good there!
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Wow.. in the middle of the snowstorm, the concrete company showed up, removed their tarp, cleaned the concrete and sectioned the slab. *CLAP*
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Haven't taken new pictures yet. Probably won't until it is cleaned since it is just a filthy slab of concrete atm haha.

I received all of the hardware for the patio kitchen this morning. They should come Mon/Tue next week to start the kitchen/bar. Then maybe end of next week or the following week they will come and power wash the concrete, do the acid staining for color and seal the concrete. Then we'll install the hot tub!
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Damelon, you could order one of these and give it a try, should be a direct replacement of the cover. If not it is designed to fit in a single gang box

http://www.lightingdirect.com/elco-elst63-7w-horizontal-incandescent-mini-step-light-with-smooth-white-acrylic-lens/p1661338?source=amz_1661338&baid=766460669


Update on these. Ok, so I got these plates. One was cracked, but I put it on the far step, and you wouldn't notice unless I told you. As far as light... they are a LOT brighter. In fact I have to dim them, because they point forward and shine directly, so at full brightness the screen actually picks up quite a bit of light from them. I'd say they would be excellent if put on the SIDE of a step. Dimmed though, they work better than the others, and look nice too.
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Haven't taken new pictures yet. Probably won't until it is cleaned since it is just a filthy slab of concrete atm haha.

I received all of the hardware for the patio kitchen this morning. They should come Mon/Tue next week to start the kitchen/bar. Then maybe end of next week or the following week they will come and power wash the concrete, do the acid staining for color and seal the concrete. Then we'll install the hot tub!

The crew started on the Outdoor bar area yesterday. It is just the cinder block shell at the moment. Mostly measuring the hardware that will go into it and cutting/masoning the concrete so that it fits properly. Ideally, I'd have the grill-side of the kitchen longer with more space between where the grill and side burner will go, but otherwise it's fine. Not sure if they are going to start on the exterior stone work today or just do more interior work. It is raining here today so I'm not sure if they even showed up or not. We are hoping that the work will be completed before the next storm comes in next sun/mon. We'll see.
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I'm excited about the landscaping/pool work too. The cost is just well beyond my capacity for budgeting. Buying a house is easy, even when it is super expensive, because it is financed by rolling up into a single mortgage, which is backed by the house itself. A Car works the same way. Things like this get tricky. Because if a project costs $200k total, you can't just write a check for that. (Well some people can I suppose). And because the chunks of the project are dependent on other parts, you can't just say i'll do $20k here and there. The pool needs to be done and paid for in a single bunch of financing. The pool itself requires minimum concrete decking and a fence. But the grading for the area will all need to be done in advance, which means a dug up yard. We are probably going to do a small section first, which will begin with the area under and around our deck. So we will have things like our grill, and a hot tub pad area ready. That's about 1/3 of the concrete work. From there we can wait another year probably to look at the next steps and see where we are financially.

I'm about to be in the same boat as you. I'm in Ashburn and we are closing on our new construction in 15 days (wooooo hoo!). It's on 3/4 acre so we definitely plan on a deck, patio, builtin BBQ, pool, hot tub. I'd be interested in picking your brain about how you tackled the job. Did you end up going with one landscape designer to plan it all out for you and then subbing out to contractors to do the job?

I agree with what you said above though... very easy to say "Oh, that 10,000$ upgrade is only 40$ a month!" when you don't have to stroke a check for 10,000$ right away. I think in home theater equipment alone I already have myself above $10k. And this is before I found this subforum on the site (and these build threads) to inspire me to do more than just hang a screen and a projector and call it a day. (I have a 11'11"x19'7" dedicated space for a HT... just trying to decide how to tackle it as well).
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I'm about to be in the same boat as you. I'm in Ashburn and we are closing on our new construction in 15 days (wooooo hoo!). It's on 3/4 acre so we definitely plan on a deck, patio, builtin BBQ, pool, hot tub. I'd be interested in picking your brain about how you tackled the job. Did you end up going with one landscape designer to plan it all out for you and then subbing out to contractors to do the job?

I agree with what you said above though... very easy to say "Oh, that 10,000$ upgrade is only 40$ a month!" when you don't have to stroke a check for 10,000$ right away. I think in home theater equipment alone I already have myself above $10k. And this is before I found this subforum on the site (and these build threads) to inspire me to do more than just hang a screen and a projector and call it a day. (I have a 11'11"x19'7" dedicated space for a HT... just trying to decide how to tackle it as well).

Sent a PM. Hit me up if you have questions.
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I'm about to be in the same boat as you. I'm in Ashburn and we are closing on our new construction in 15 days (wooooo hoo!). It's on 3/4 acre so we definitely plan on a deck, patio, builtin BBQ, pool, hot tub. I'd be interested in picking your brain about how you tackled the job. Did you end up going with one landscape designer to plan it all out for you and then subbing out to contractors to do the job?

I agree with what you said above though... very easy to say "Oh, that 10,000$ upgrade is only 40$ a month!" when you don't have to stroke a check for 10,000$ right away. I think in home theater equipment alone I already have myself above $10k. And this is before I found this subforum on the site (and these build threads) to inspire me to do more than just hang a screen and a projector and call it a day. (I have a 11'11"x19'7" dedicated space for a HT... just trying to decide how to tackle it as well).

Budgeting for home theater is very tricky, especially after looking the superb builds done by AVSers. A lot of effort goes into getting the WAF. I am going to use our Home Line of Equity to finish the basement.

I am in Ashburn too and going through a lot of effort to get best possible equipment in budget, fee free to PM me if you want to touch base and meet up. We live next to Brambleton Town Center in Ashburn.
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damelon,

How do you like your Sony Projector VW95ES. I was considering JVC RS-46 or RS-48 but now that Sony VW95ES offers lens memory modes for the 2:35:1 screen, I am re-thinking my choice. It's hard to get a demo of projectors other than Epson and JVC in NoVA.
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damelon,

How do you like your Sony Projector VW95ES. I was considering JVC RS-46 or RS-48 but now that Sony VW95ES offers lens memory modes for the 2:35:1 screen, I am re-thinking my choice. It's hard to get a demo of projectors other than Epson and JVC in NoVA.

If you have a home equity line of credit, that's awesome. They are very hard to get these days. (Usually they won't let you tap into the final 20% anymore) Though I'll admit, I used a HELOC on my previous house to finish my basement. That was in 2007. I still haven't paid off even half of it. Granted, the interest on it is tax deductible, but I used it to buy even things like my theater furniture, etc. HUGE MISTAKE. I'll end up paying so much more for those items than if I would have just waited a year or two and saved the money. Sometimes though, you don't have a choice. That's my only advice there. This time when I moved I made sure I could pay for my entire theater within 12 months. The money I didn't have I put into 0% 12 month credit. It's nice knowing my theater is completely paid for, but bugs me that I'll still be paying for my old theater that I never use for years still.

As for your projector question... I -LOVE- the Sony. Even on my 130" wide screen, the picture is sharp, plenty bright, vivid. This is a year and a half later and the bulb is still nice. The lens memory is not perfect since it physically moves the lens up/down/right/left. I noticed it did not go exactly to the same spot, so I had to "memorize" it slightly off so the recall of the spot went to the right place. I still need to adjust it to be perfect now and then. Also, if you are using lens memory (Usually to use a scope screen) don't plan on switching back and forth between the two Aspect Ratios during the movie for the multi-aspec films like The Dark Knight, Tron Legacy, TDKR, etc. The sony is a better projector than the JVCs, but it costs more. AVS does offer a great deal on it though. Call them to get a price. The 3D on the Sony is much better than the JVCs. I am very impressed with it. It will be darker than a normal film during 3D. Still, I rarely watch things in 3D. My complaints are mostly with movies themselves and not the projector. In my opinion, only Comedies/Rom-Coms are allowed to be non-scope. Any movie where action or cinematography come into play should be scope and only scope. Stop with this crap IMAX camera stuff.
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You are right; probably should not spend the money I don't have using the HELOC flexibility, will try to maximize using the savings before paying any interest to big banks.

Yes, I am talking with Mike at AV Science regarding projector purchase. I just don't want to order equipment too early as our basement contractor has not started the work yet and his start date has been shifting to say the least.
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You are right; probably should not spend the money I don't have using the HELOC flexibility, will try to maximize using the savings before paying any interest to big banks.

Yes, I am talking with Mike at AV Science regarding projector purchase. I just don't want to order equipment too early as our basement contractor has not started the work yet and his start date has been shifting to say the least.

That's just my personal advice, I don't want to change your major plans. I'm finally in a position where I can pay down the principal of my HELOC, and it did give me the luxury of having my basement right away, which I did use for about 3 years. Still, it won't be paid off for many years yet. If you are going the normal HELOC route, which is to take 20k and just pay the minimum payments, it's a bad deal financially. If you will take 20k and pay it off in a couple of years, then it is a good option, since you won't pay that much interest and can write it off. Todays interest rates are REALLY low, so it makes a lot more sense now than it did back when I did it. If I didn't lock in my rate on some of my heloc, the whole balance would be variable, and I would have a really low rate right now. I wouldn't personally do it again, though while I was single, that whole Movie Room/Bar was an awesome space to entertain. It can be really hard to save up large chunks of money for projects, but if you are able to do it, and able to wait, it is always worth it financially, but then again, you don't get use of any of that while you are waiting. It's a trade off.
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......Stop with this crap IMAX camera stuff.

AGREE 100%
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