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Thanks Snickers! It was nice to meet you and talk to you about everything under the sun. I'll be the first to admit, I watch movies loud! I demoed a few scenes for him from MI : Ghost Protocol, which I had not yet watched in my theater. (Some awesome surround effects!) Also demoed some 3D from the opening of Prometheus. We talked about pretty much everything from my theater project, his theater project, screen materials, false wall construction, patio plans and costs, etc. I think once I finish the outdoor screen I will do a nova meet and greet / BBQ, we can all chill outside with food and drinks, maybe watch a movie, and go inside for some demos. I'll post more later once that project is done I'll work out scheduling.
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I'll post about it when the outdoor screen is up and done. (You'll know its coming when I start posting construction photos)
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Entry way to the bar area. Straight ahead is the door opening to my theater equipment room.

Quick question - does this "foam on a roll" (from REALLY EARLY in this thread) go underneath the walls to help with sound isolation? I never did get a good sense for how that worked.

Also, does anyone have a good pictorial example of securing the vertical clips from the walls to the ceilings?
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You just need to seal the bottom plate to the floor with sealant. You won't benefit from a rolled material that purports to decouple.
post #1835 of 2308
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Quick question - does this "foam on a roll" (from REALLY EARLY in this thread) go underneath the walls to help with sound isolation?
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You just need to seal the bottom plate to the floor with sealant. You won't benefit from a rolled material that purports to decouple.

The "foam on a roll" is sill seal. It's common practice for moisture control between the concrete slab and the pressure treated baseplate... AFAIK not purported to decouple for sound isolation.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202080947?catalogId=10053&productId=202080947
FoamSealR Air Infiltration Gasket fills gaps between sill plate and top of foundation walls. FoamSealR also reduces energy loss as well as moisture and insect infiltration.
•Is easy to install
•Provides superior moisture resistance vs.unsealed sill plates
•Helps seal out insects
•Reduces air infiltration along the sill plate
post #1836 of 2308
I like the foam if the floor is really rough as it fills in the voids and the bottom plates feels more seated. I haven't used it for a while but I would certainly use the caulk in addition to the foam.
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Quick question - does this "foam on a roll" (from REALLY EARLY in this thread) go underneath the walls to help with sound isolation? I never did get a good sense for how that worked.

So this was me literally following the build practice Sandman did when he did his theater. Thing was, he did his in his garage. I really should have just used pressure treated lumber and that was it, of course using caulk seal like I did anyway. I saw that Sandman did it so I got it in my head I was going to follow his example without really asking questions. People have brought it up quite a few times... I can't seem to get away from that foam on a roll!!! Even when I see it at Lowes or Home Depot I still chuckle and shake my head at it. Just sort of pretend it isn't there lol!

Big has a point too though, wood is never completely straight and a concrete floors tend to not be completely smooth and level everywhere. In the end I suppose the foam could help fill some of those gaps, but it is VERY thin and doesn't have a lot of squish to it. Still, I like my room, but I would listen to Ted when it comes to soundproofing!
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Also, does anyone have a good pictorial example of securing the vertical clips from the walls to the ceilings?

We didn't take any close ups of this step. (It still bothers me that I didn't snap some shots of it) Early on (like page 2) you can see where we put pieces of drywall as spacers between the joists and the top of the inner walls. Once that was done, we removed the spacers and screwed in the clips, with the rubber grommet part screwed into the top of the wall, and the "L" side of the brace against the joist. You can sort of see it in the picture below (Look to the right of my head, on top of the wall connecting on the next ceiling cross beam over)

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From NYGF23 Project





A little procedural item for this recent project. We banged up all the required blocking around the room. Wherever walls weren't under a joist. Then using a laser marked the floor and the ceiling for wall locations, I build the walls flat on the floor 1 or 1 1/2 inch shorter than the ceiling depending if I needed an extra large gap to clear a pipe or fit in the clip. On that one wall I attached the clips as the wall was laying on the floor.
Edited by BIGmouthinDC - 5/19/13 at 5:43pm
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that last picture was what I was looking for - thanks.

Sorry I haven't gotten around to reading NYG's thread yet. At times this place just gets to be information overload smile.gif
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Patio Project Update:

The "Theater" side of the patio project is currently taking a backseat to completing an "Underdeck" ceiling. I've been researching many different DIY solutions, as well as complete waterproofing systems and due to the irregular construction of some of my deck none of which would tend to be an easy install. The most effective products are those that rest on the top of your deck joists under your planking. There are many additional systems which go on the underside of your planking, effectively lowering the ceiling of your existing deck. Both designs have problems in my case. My deck is already completed, so any systems that go on top of the joists would mean I'd have to rip of the exisitng planking (and some of the railings). That's an additional cost in labor. Then on the underside, I have several columns which connect to the interior of the joists (This causes special case installation for each column) as well as some support cross beams under the joists (Extra drainage solutions) and existing arch trim on the sides which only extends about 1.5" lower than the bottom of the joists (would need to be lowered and added to in order to hide the deck). 80% of the project no matter what system used would be very simple. It is the columns, the two side ends of the deck, and the cross beam which cause problems. Half of my deck is a double-decker deck. It has a balcony from my master bedroom, which has a waterproof system installed at the upstairs level over a covered/screened multi-season room. The waterproofing makes this room dry from the ceiling, and the floorboards in this room are tightly packed together but they are not watertight. If the rain is heavy, and it blows through the side-screens of the room, some water will leak down below. It is not much, but this alone means I'd need to at least seal the floor of this room to prevent water on this bottom half. Then I'd only have to worry about the uncovered part of my deck (Which is about 12 x 14) I might be able to pull up the planks on this side of the deck and put a curved membrane between the joists from the top down, allowing water to drain away from the house. If I do that, I could just use PVC bead-board on the ceiling all the way across below. Still, I need to figure out what my solution will be before I do any under-deck wiring. I have a ceiling fan, speakers, some electrical for a few outlet boxes and the HDMI run for the projector. I also have about 22 little LED lights i need to install (1" LED recessed lights). As you can see, this solution is a little complicated. So I'm trying to get estimates from contractors.

If anyone in NOVA knows a contractor who would know how to do this kind of work and throw me a discounted bone (I could assist in the install), please PM me! Though I'm fairly confident I could take up planking, I really haven't done any outdoor construction before and I am more of a "see it once before doing it" person.
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Between 3 good grilling nights, I was able to get some work done this weekend. Man, I hate fishing wires! Made several cutouts in the drywall in my office closet where I plan to make a 2nd media hub (For my outdoor gear mostly).

1) Saturday : Cut drywall, fished some Cat5e from my central hub to my closet. Fished another Cat5e from the closet to the front of my house. Installed IP-Camera #1 (And tested with iSpy) and looks like it is up and running!

2) Sunday : Cut some more drywall, ran some romex from the closet light switch power-in to an outlet in the wall in the closet (For my mini-rack). Won't be very demanding power-wise. Plan to just run a POE switch, a receiver for outdoor music/movies.

3) Monday: Ran another Cat5e out the back wall for another camera, ran HDMI from the closet to a place under the staircase. Will mount a wall-box there to plug a projector to.

The security-camera thing is just a pet project. I don't really need them per say, but it will be a fun thing to have. Maybe catch some videos of local wildlife wandering around my house. Will be nice to have them around the pool area once that is done though.

Hopefully this week I will get around to running the speaker wire and mount the two under-deck speakers. Then I need to rent a trencher and run the 3 speaker wires out to where the screen might be, but avoiding the areas which will be excavated in the future.

Today have a guy coming out to take a look at my deck and run some costs by me for different possible ceiling solutions, or maybe I can talk to him enough to get some information to the point where I might venture to do it myself. I don't want to waste money trying it myself to have it fail though, so if it's reasonable, I'll just contract it out.
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That's all fine, but we need a PUPPY UPDATE!
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That's all fine, but we need a PUPPY UPDATE!
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Puppies are doing great. They have started obedience training and can do the standard Sit & Down. Their ears have healed, and their standard posting period is over, now they only get them posted while they sleep. At the moment I think they weigh about 35 & 40 pounds (Give or take a couple pounds) They are very healthy and their coats are still very soft and extremely shiny. Caesar is the bigger one (much beefier) also the smarter one. Brutus is sleeker, and tends to whine about most everything. Most of the time they are just wrestling with each other.

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Cute pups!
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You're going to need a bigger mat!

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WOW the they look even bigger from when i saw them a couple weeks ago.... there ears look great and no more cone of shame... can't wait to see them again
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Hey Damelon. Would you mind sharing links to the different under-deck systems you were looking at? I have seen a couple different, but if you could post additional options, that would be appreciated! We are stripping off our decking and switching to composite. I thought I'd install one of the systems while I had the chance so the patio underneath is dry.

On another note, it's A-M-A-Z-I-N-G how fast your dogs are growing. You will definitely need a bigger mat!

Looking forward to more updates.
post #1849 of 2308
Damelon,

Your post about the camera outside got me thinking about something I've been pondering. Have you ever heard of anyone setting up a camera inside their theater to use for video conferencing? It seems like there are many camera options but where would one put the mike?
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Nice!

But what if you have a group of people? Boom mike?
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Hey Damelon. Would you mind sharing links to the different under-deck systems you were looking at? I have seen a couple different, but if you could post additional options, that would be appreciated! We are stripping off our decking and switching to composite. I thought I'd install one of the systems while I had the chance so the patio underneath is dry.

On another note, it's A-M-A-Z-I-N-G how fast your dogs are growing. You will definitely need a bigger mat!

Looking forward to more updates.

If you are stripping up your decking, you REALLY should use either Rain Escape or DekDrain. Both of those systems go over the top of your joists, have the cheapest materials, and allow you to do any normal wiring, lighting, and ceiling underneath that you want. No question. Do that.

All of the other systems lower the bottom of your ceiling and usually ARE the ceiling. They also have restrictions on where you can put lights in, and any hole you put could be a possible leak. I really wish that stripping up my deck was an option. Due to my screened-in room above half of my deck, it would cost way too much for me to do that. It would be the nicest looking option but also the costliest. Other systems I looked at were ZipDeck, UnderDeck (or UnderDeck Oasis), DrySnap, DrySpace, and American DryDeck. If your deck is a standard square, and doesn't have any odd middle columns or beams, then most under-deck systems would have a straight forward install. American DryDeck was rated well for an underdeck system, while I've heard horror stories about ZipDeck. (And DrySnap) As far as the over-the-joist systems, they are both excellent.

I had a guy come yesterday and look at it, and he recommended:
1) I remove the back beam underneath the 1-level part of my deck, as well as the two inside columns. He said there appears to be no reason it is there, and some installers used to put them in no matter what.
(I had recently drilled a hole into my closet and he saw that the house had a 1 1/4" beam across the house to anchor the deck, as well as the 2" beam which the deck rests on on the outside. With that, he said there was no reason for any of the back beams and said if I really wanted to, I could remove them both, but there wasn't much of a reason to do so on the other side since it rested against the house)
2) Once that is removed, and I patch concrete as necessary, he says to just do DrySnap, and do it myself, since he said it appears I am handy enough to do so, though he recommended a 2nd set of hands since pieces are 14' long. But I've read bad things about DrySnap if the installation isn't perfect, and am Hesitant to use this product or do it myself.

Plus he said if I do it myself, he hinted that he wouldn't even bother pulling a permit for just the ceiling fan, but if HE did the work, he would have to, plus he would have to pull a permit for removing that beam since the guy inspecting the fan would probably complain. He also said since I am doing Low-Volt wiring for lights, an electrical inspector might complain about it, even though you don't need a permit for LV stuff.. not that he would, he just said he has seen it happen so it might save a headache if I did it on my own.

He also said if I really didn't want to do it, he could do it for about $15/sf for the ceiling work, but he told me where I could buy the materials for closer to like $5/sf if I wanted to do it myself. Where is BIG when I need him!!! I've never messed with things like flashing before.
Edited by damelon - 5/29/13 at 7:55am
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Damelon,

Your post about the camera outside got me thinking about something I've been pondering. Have you ever heard of anyone setting up a camera inside their theater to use for video conferencing? It seems like there are many camera options but where would one put the mike?

Well, if you wired an HDMI up on your riser, all you really need is to plug a laptop into it and use a nice webcam. A lot of them have built in MICs anyway. You could have the projector display the video and even put the audio on your speakers if you wanted to. I'd never wire up anything special for it personally. There might even be some wireless PC webcam stuff out there. In my previous theater I'd throw a shelf-size board over the armrests of the front row, set up a PC, put a keyboard/mouse/desk-mic on the board, and play online games with friends in my theater. Same concept audio-wise, and I could have done Skype or whatever but I was using the video for the games.
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WOW the they look even bigger from when i saw them a couple weeks ago.... there ears look great and no more cone of shame... can't wait to see them again

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Cute pups!

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You're going to need a bigger mat!

Thanks! They are looking great and are very healthy! Though they are growing SO fast. That mat wasn't even for them, but they don't really care if things are intended for them or not. Now that they do stairs nothing is safe.. One of the dogs sneaks up to the bedroom and finds things in the bedroom or bathroom that he can take back downstairs and show us. BAD PUPPY! haha. Caesar will easily be over 100 lbs and the way he is growing he will end up being one of those Dobie-Titans. Brutus might end up right at the century mark but hard to tell.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im a new member to this forum and this was the first thread i read. your cinema looks absolutely stunning. I am well and truly in awe and full of jealousy haha. Im getting the bug to think about what i might do in my house.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im a new member to this forum and this was the first thread i read. your cinema looks absolutely stunning. I am well and truly in awe and full of jealousy haha. Im getting the bug to think about what i might do in my house.

Thanks! Yeah, reading this forum gave me ideas I never would have had otherwise. Most of us who have theaters on here tend to copy ideas we like from other people by reading forums, and even after we finish our theaters, we keep seeing new ideas which help us to re-imagine what we thought was possible. If I started my theater today it would probably look a lot different based on builds I've seen in the 2 years since I started mine.
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Thanks! Yeah, reading this forum gave me ideas I never would have had otherwise. Most of us who have theaters on here tend to copy ideas we like from other people by reading forums, and even after we finish our theaters, we keep seeing new ideas which help us to re-imagine what we thought was possible. If I started my theater today it would probably look a lot different based on builds I've seen in the 2 years since I started mine.

Like what? Visual differences or more related to how it was constructed (sill seal, for instance)?

I'm going to be starting on my theater in October and whenever anybody asks what kind of look I'm shooting for, I just show them the photos of your theater. I'm very curious what you would do differently, since it looks darn near perfect to me.
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Thanks for the advice on the different systems, Damelon! I really appreciate it! Maybe one day I'll be able to tack on this project to the end of my theater build (along with a shed build biggrin.gif)...
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Like what? Visual differences or more related to how it was constructed (sill seal, for instance)?

I'm going to be starting on my theater in October and whenever anybody asks what kind of look I'm shooting for, I just show them the photos of your theater. I'm very curious what you would do differently, since it looks darn near perfect to me.

Sometimes small things sometimes big things....
I'd do a better job with the HVAC, using a second register.
I'd probably try using some of those dek-or LED lights instead of the can lights I have. Very low power, much easier to install. You don't really even need a light tray for them, but it would be different than most people's standard lighting for builds. It's a cool product.
Maybe different carpet, one of the lower profile ones like Sandman/Snickers/BIG has.
I'd use LED rope light instead of mine, and run it under the lip of my riser and on the steps vs step lights.
I'd probably get a slightly bigger rack unit.
I'd make my front columns so I can use the unused space inside.
I'd put some sort of secret storage in the room somewhere, maybe behind a panel.
I'd use some nice wood trim like Mario used in the Cinemar build.
I might reconsider the space slightly. 7 seats is plenty most of the time, but I still wish I had a counter with stools in the back (Requires a deeper theater).
Maybe using a little less bass absorption... there is a lot in there!
I'd use treated wood against the concrete flooring in the basement.
I'd probally run a lot more cables while the space in my basement was unfinished.

Those are all just little things, many of which i could still do if I really wanted to. The big thing is, at the time that I was researching the forums here, Sandman's theater was still a thread getting hits and I saw it and loved it. Today if I was reading threads, there would be so many I would see, and another theater may have inspired me differently.
Edited by damelon - 5/30/13 at 8:00am
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