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post #1471 of 1646
Sorry but I jumped to the end to ask my question...

I just purchased the 80LE844U and have Direct TV service (HR 34 HMC).I've been able to wach 3D on an LG set but when I tried to watch on the Sharp no workee. The TV senses the 3D (the image gets blurry) but the Sharp brand 3D glasses don't appear to be working??? The Direct TV website mentions a firmware update???
post #1472 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Read the facts of the case before you judge just by looking at the surface. There are lots and lots of websites discussing it, google will bring tons of hits... and they all pretty agree that there is a real case there (those that actually look at the facts, that is, as opposed to those that are just out for a laugh). It has nothing to do with the brewing temp, btw, but rather the serving temp.

While it seems absurd on it's face, saying "someone sued because they spilled their coffee", once you get into the details it's not a cut-and-dried case of Darwinism. And McDonald's obstinate counsel made things far, far worse than they needed to be.

Feel free to form your own opinion... but let's not clutter this thread further with irrelevant discussion.

Oh puh-leeze. No one deserves $2 million because a restaurant served them coffee as it's supposed to be served, and you put it between your legs and then spill it.

Frivolous lawsuits and morons have become a way of life. Years ago the court system and the citizens of this country didn't suffer fools and morons easily. Today we elect them.
post #1473 of 1646
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Originally Posted by stebrock View Post

Sorry but I jumped to the end to ask my question...

I just purchased the 80LE844U and have Direct TV service (HR 34 HMC).I've been able to wach 3D on an LG set but when I tried to watch on the Sharp no workee. The TV senses the 3D (the image gets blurry) but the Sharp brand 3D glasses don't appear to be working??? The Direct TV website mentions a firmware update???

Solved my problem... I just didn't let the glasses charge long enough!
Rick
post #1474 of 1646
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Originally Posted by neil0311 View Post

Oh puh-leeze. No one deserves $2 million because a restaurant served them coffee as it's supposed to be served, and you put it between your legs and then spill it.

Frivolous lawsuits and morons have become a way of life. Years ago the court system and the citizens of this country didn't suffer fools and morons easily. Today we elect them.

No one got 2 million, either.

Facts: foreign concept to you, huh?
post #1475 of 1646
Please forgive my posting in a reply, I tried to start my own post but I couldn't figure it out.

When my Sony AVR was hooked up to Quatron, I got an OSD of volume. I have a Denon AVR now and no On Screen Display. Does anyone know why? Is it cause my sony was HDMI 1.3 and Denon is only HDMI 1.1? Thanks
post #1476 of 1646
If the Denon is capable of OSD, then it's probably a setting in the Denon you need to look for.
post #1477 of 1646
Hi Guys,

Anyone watching the masters in 3D i watched a bit yesterday and noticed a lot of crosstalk (double vision) when looking at people in the background, sometimes the ball and flag pole. yes i have the glasses on can anyone else take a look and post feed back.

thanks
post #1478 of 1646
I just bought a 735u and I notice the crosstalk/double image too. Even the 3D test image in the menus does it. Are there any fixes?

How big of an issue is the dirty screen effect? When I'm watching a white picture, I can see splotches here an there... Will all TVs do this or should I return and buy the 847u?
post #1479 of 1646
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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

I just bought a 735u and I notice the crosstalk/double image too. Even the 3D test image in the menus does it. Are there any fixes?

How big of an issue is the dirty screen effect? When I'm watching a white picture, I can see splotches here an there... Will all TVs do this or should I return and buy the 847u?

I have yet to see a tv without some form of DSE. Some are worse than others. My Pioneer 5020 has it, and my 735 has it at times too. The A/R coating they put on tv screens is rarely put on perfectly, and the larger the screen, the more noticeable when panning.
post #1480 of 1646
How big of an issue is the dirty screen effect? When I'm watching a white picture, I can see splotches here an there... Will all TVs do this or should I return and buy the 847u?[/quote]

Is the so called "DSE" coming from the TV or the broadcaster/ provider?

For instance in a football game when the camera is focused on a fast moving football against the crowd or such similar pan in other sports, I do see a screen of hash in the background. My calibrator said that is not from the set but rather digital compression from the source. He called it tiling or blocking. I only see it in fast moving sports as described. One other thing that produces this hash is fasting moving strobe lights in a music concert. Only times I see anything like what is described as "DSE". ( I saw this on my old Pioneer Elite plasma as well)
post #1481 of 1646
re: the Masters in 3D

I'm impressed! Overall, the 3D really adds a perspective of the terrain! Granted, some crossover and at times a closeup of a tree can give you a headache, but pretty cool! Oh, few commercials -- only by ESPN 3D -- is a plus!
post #1482 of 1646
The TV's darker splotches or light/dark variations (what I think everyone on here calls dirty screen effect) are only noticeable to me when the overall TV picture is mostly white with little color variation. I only see a pure white screen when I'm using Google TV, Xbox 360, PC, but they all show the symptom.

You can't see it at first until you study the picture, but it's there. I think it's something to do with the fact that a batch of LEDs will have some variation in brightness, that or it's the filtering they are using; I'm really not sure. I was wondering if the new edge lit models would cure the issue... However, it sounds like there's no LCD TV that will not exhibit this (especially in this price range)? I haven't seen this type of issue on the small LCD's I have, but they all have florescent back lighting.

I know my projector doesn't have this issue (VPL-VW200) and the picture is always very uniform... I guess I'm expecting too much from an LCD TV?

To be clear, the back lighting is uniform overall except for the outermost corners of the screen that appear darker, but this DSE thing kind of bugs me when I'm surfing the web and have a white background (such as Google's main page)...

I too was impressed by the 3D quality/detail. I watched a Harry Potter movie (the only one I had that was 3D), but I did see the double image/crosstalk when a darker object was in front of a very white background (happened only a few times during the movie after some adjustments, but still bugged me). I'm new to 3D and don't know what to make of it. I did end up paying more over the LC70LE734u as it is nice to have the functionality.
post #1483 of 1646
To clarity the DSE issue, what I see is very similar to the picture in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21408403

It's also more localized than this DSE.
post #1484 of 1646
DSE is more noticeable on white, grey or green screens when panning. Never see it on red or blue. Most people notice DSE watching hockey or panning over snow or grey skies. Some of it may have to do with the A/R coating, and some with the processing. Never seen a led/plasma that have been that great with panning over those colors when they cover the screen.
post #1485 of 1646
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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

To clarity the DSE issue, what I see is very similar to the picture in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21408403

It's also more localized than this DSE.

That looks like uneven back lighting in your link. I thought "DSE" was the hash from fast panning against a static background. My calibrator set me straight on the "hash" which is a digital compression issue from the source and not the TV.
post #1486 of 1646
Attached below, is a review of the Sharp LC70LE735U written by Kevin Miller of Tweak TV. At the conclusion, you can review the Calman Pro PDF files to compare your calibration to this test television.

Incidentally, my calibrator, Michael Hamilton partners with Kevin and also writes for this magazine.

The link: http://www.tweaktv.com/the-kevin-mil...el-review.html

If you click on the "About Us" tab, you can read the bios of 9 calibrators, operating in 22 states. It also gives you the test and reference equipment they use. I am not in any way affiliated with Tweak TV. Just thought it would be useful for the members.
post #1487 of 1646
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Originally Posted by etype2 View Post

That looks like uneven back lighting in your link. I thought "DSE" was the hash from fast panning against a static background. My calibrator set me straight on the "hash" which is a digital compression issue from the source and not the TV.

The digital compression issue is not what's known as "DSE". That picture link is "DSE", but it's mostly noticeable when the camera is panning across a light image, as already mentioned, because the image is moving but those light/dark areas don't.
post #1488 of 1646
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Originally Posted by moovtune View Post

The digital compression issue is not what's known as "DSE". That picture link is "DSE", but it's mostly noticeable when the camera is panning across a light image, as already mentioned, because the image is moving but those light/dark areas don't.

Thanks for that. I have not noticed "DSE" on my Sharp 735U or the previous Sharp 65 inch Aquos as described here. All I do see is as mentioned in post# 1481, in certain fast moving sports pans. If "DSE" is on my set, it has not attracted my attention.
post #1489 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

No one got 2 million, either.

Facts: foreign concept to you, huh?

No, I'm sorry smart guy, you're right. It was $2.7 million in punitive damages. My mistake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck...7s_Restaurants

Sorry for going OT, but some people are just too smug to let go.
post #1490 of 1646
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Originally Posted by neil0311 View Post

No, I'm sorry smart guy, you're right. It was $2.7 million in punitive damages. My mistake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck...7s_Restaurants

Sorry for going OT, but some people are just too smug to let go.

Geez. You can't let go of this, can you?

The jury awarded a large punitive damages award, yes. But then, during the appeal, the case was settled out of court for under $600k. So NO ONE GOT $2 MILLION (or anywhere near that).

Facts. Learn to love them.
post #1491 of 1646
Just a quick question for the people who have this tv. For motion enhancement which do you prefer, 240, 120 high, low or off? Other than the screen slightly darker with 240 on, I really can't tell the difference between high, low or off.
post #1492 of 1646
I was using "low" for awhile but then came across a film where the motion was "jerky" in a particular section of the scene. I used that as a test section and started playing around with the various choices. I ultimately settled on "120 high" as the best choice. I haven't found any advantage to 240 and there are definitely motion issues at times when set to "off" ... so for me it's between "120 low" or "120 high".
post #1493 of 1646
I posted a mesg when I first got this TV about these issues.
I have seen a decent amount of post lately concerning these and would like to reiterate what I said a while ago.
The DSE/clouding on my FIRST set was bad and I returned the TV for another one. IT was night and day between the old one and the new one I got.
there is virtually no DSE or clouding on my new one. The only time I BARELY notice it ( I STRESS BARELY) is on almost pitch black scenes or if there is no signal and the screen is black

The dark corner issue is so miniscule that it is a non issue.

It boils down to this..if the DSE/clouding is not within your standards then RETURN it immediately!! DO NOT settle because my TV if phenomenal.

So yes, there are better/worse sets within this same line as there is in all no matter how "great" the brand or models.
post #1494 of 1646
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Originally Posted by postalglu View Post

I posted a mesg when I first got this TV about these issues.
I have seen a decent amount of post lately concerning these and would like to reiterate what I said a while ago.
The DSE/clouding on my FIRST set was bad and I returned the TV for another one. IT was night and day between the old one and the new one I got.
there is virtually no DSE or clouding on my new one. The only time I BARELY notice it ( I STRESS BARELY) is on almost pitch black scenes or if there is no signal and the screen is black

The dark corner issue is so miniscule that it is a non issue.

It boils down to this..if the DSE/clouding is not within your standards then RETURN it immediately!! DO NOT settle because my TV if phenomenal.

So yes, there are better/worse sets within this same line as there is in all no matter how "great" the brand or models.


Glad it all worked out for you. My set is also free of clouding and "DSE". I suspect the panels that have this problem received rough handling in transit. I read about the testing, quality control and inspection procedures at Sharp's advanced tenth generation plant where the 70 and 80 inch panels are made. I find it difficult to believe that the images we saw posted in this thread would ever pass Sharp's inspection. Also, turning the brightness and backlight to high can exaggerate the problem.
post #1495 of 1646
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Maybe you should read the manual.

I have gone through the manual which came with the TV and it does not mention anywhere how to turn these 3D messages.

Does anyone know how to get into Service menu on this TV. That might have some setting to turn these off.
post #1496 of 1646
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Originally Posted by roopG View Post

I have gone through the manual which came with the TV and it does not mention anywhere how to turn these 3D messages.

Does anyone know how to get into Service menu on this TV. That might have some setting to turn these off.

Page 42 and page 44.

Press MENU>> “System Options”>> “3D Setup”>>"3D Auto Change"
This setting can be used to switch to 3D mode
automatically when a 3D identification signal is
detected.
Yes: When a 3D signal is detected, 3D mode is selected
automatically.
No: Auto change is not performed.
• 3D signal may not be detected depending on the signal
format.

Set this setting to YES. It will not display the message.
post #1497 of 1646
Sorry home theater geek, unless your TV is different, then changing the 3D auto detect will NOT turn off the 3D message. The 3D message is on every single 3D TV I own which includes a Samsung, Toshiba, and Sharp. The 3D TV and the message always comes on when I start watching something in 3D. This happens with 3D auto detect on or off, and watching from any of the following sources...3D Blu-Ray, PS3 video game, SBS 3D content from either HDD or Cable.
post #1498 of 1646
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Originally Posted by vegasorbust74 View Post

Sorry home theater geek, unless your TV is different, then changing the 3D auto detect will NOT turn off the 3D message. The 3D message is on every single 3D TV I own which includes a Samsung, Toshiba, and Sharp. The 3D TV and the message always comes on when I start watching something in 3D. This happens with 3D auto detect on or off, and watching from any of the following sources...3D Blu-Ray, PS3 video game, SBS 3D content from either HDD or Cable.

It is different. It does not happen on my 735 with the settings I have posted. This is straight out of the manual.

Attachment 243240
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post #1499 of 1646
So either way you get a message (although it's not the one my 735 has). Hence, no way to turn off 3D messages completely as far as I know.
post #1500 of 1646
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Originally Posted by moovtune View Post

So either way you get a message (although it's not the one my 735 has). Hence, no way to turn off 3D messages completely as far as I know.

I do not know why mine is different but if I change to the XF3D channel or ESPN3d channel I get no message with 3D Auto set to yes. I will see side by side dual images on ESPN3D or over/under images on the other channel but no message.
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