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post #241 of 1646
Is this set or this line of sets considered the higher-end of the Sharp line? Just curious. Ive always liked Sharp LCDs and even though Im more of a plasma guy, next time around an LED-based LCD *might* be my choice.

How are the black levels and off-axis viewing? Those are two HUGE selling points for me.
post #242 of 1646
I too am on the hot seat for a new display, Costco has the 733 at a good price but I am not sure of the difference in features or PQ between the 733 and 735.
They also have a open box Panasonic st 65 at a really good price but again its the bottom of the line. I thinking of trying it out for a while and see if it would work. Using AMEX I get an extra year of warranty and being its without box its no trouble to return.
Any ideas on this
post #243 of 1646
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Is this set or this line of sets considered the higher-end of the Sharp line? Just curious. Ive always liked Sharp LCDs and even though Im more of a plasma guy, next time around an LED-based LCD *might* be my choice.

How are the black levels and off-axis viewing? Those are two HUGE selling points for me.

Mid to high end. Right in the middle of these two marks, a mid-high if you will. The Elite line is the high end line.

As far as the off-axis viewing it is best to take a look at these in 70" units in person.
post #244 of 1646
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Is this set or this line of sets considered the higher-end of the Sharp line? Just curious. Ive always liked Sharp LCDs and even though Im more of a plasma guy, next time around an LED-based LCD *might* be my choice.

How are the black levels and off-axis viewing? Those are two HUGE selling points for me.

These Sharps have a wider viewing angle that Samsung (one person FOV). The worst are many laptops which vary greatly even for one person. Finally I saw an 11.6" Acer at Costco (for cheap) with excellent color (the tablets are giving them competition).

Your other question is extremely important as it touches upon how satisfied we are with motion (resolution, noise, blurring and film grain).
Plasma and DLP dither (adds noise increasing for darker scenes), whereas LCD blur motion.
What I've learned about myself is I'm extremely sensitive and LCD motion blurring. More so than dither noise being added.
What the Sharp bring to the table is no blurring and no dither noise or even compression artifacts. But only in the 240Hz blanking mode. Some members here say its not completely real. For my eye, brain optical system, it is absolutely necessary. For example I do not not enjoy viewing the 120Hz 732 (or the 735 when set to 120Hz).

To test your own sensitivity to motion blur I recommend buying two Blu-ray and testing the Sharp 735 when the Store is not busy: 3D Aquarium (filmed with RED One camera's) and Disney Tangled 3D. The Aquarium fish dart around at different speeds and is an excellent blur indicator.
The Tangled has many eye-popping bright and dark scenes. However the fastest motion is a bit jumpy on the Sharp in 3D.

The menu scene of Alice and Wonderland deserves special mention as the 3D drawn images define a new type of art.

As the industry moves away shooting in film, its grain effect becomes rather meaningless. LCD motion blur is far more serious issue.

This is a major reason why plasma fans like the Sharp, as the strobing effect is simulates (even better?) to plasma motion without the added dither/pwm noise.
post #245 of 1646
So there is no way to fix the flickering with busy coats or stripes?
post #246 of 1646
I have my 735 all setup and still playing with the settings. I still think the picture quality is the best I've seen so far. I'm still trying to find the best setting to handle the soap opera affect that I've seen on all the other brands I was looking at.


I did a personal video on youtube describing the 735 and some initial comments. Please forgive me if I may have used incorrect terminology in certain areas. There isn't a lot of information available on this TV so here is me sharing..

http://youtu.be/6USy5hkCrTo
post #247 of 1646
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post
These Sharps have a wider viewing angle that Samsung (one person FOV). The worst are many laptops which vary greatly even for one person. Finally I saw an 11.6" Acer at Costco (for cheap) with excellent color (the tablets are giving them competition).

Your other question is extremely important as it touches upon how satisfied we are with motion (resolution, noise, blurring and film grain).
Plasma and DLP dither (adds noise increasing for darker scenes), whereas LCD blur motion.
What I've learned about myself is I'm extremely sensitive and LCD motion blurring. More so than dither noise being added.
What the Sharp bring to the table is no blurring and no dither noise or even compression artifacts. But only in the 240Hz blanking mode. Some members here say its not completely real. For my eye, brain optical system, it is absolutely necessary. For example I do not not enjoy viewing the 120Hz 732 (or the 735 when set to 120Hz).

To test your own sensitivity to motion blur I recommend buying two Blu-ray and testing the Sharp 735 when the Store is not busy: 3D Aquarium (filmed with RED One camera's) and Disney Tangled 3D. The Aquarium fish dart around at different speeds and is an excellent blur indicator.
The Tangled has many eye-popping bright and dark scenes. However the fastest motion is a bit jumpy on the Sharp in 3D.

The menu scene of Alice and Wonderland deserves special mention as the 3D drawn images define a new type of art.

As the industry moves away shooting in film, its grain effect becomes rather meaningless. LCD motion blur is far more serious issue.

This is a major reason why plasma fans like the Sharp, as the strobing effect is simulates (even better?) to plasma motion without the added dither/pwm noise.
Great info - I appreciete the detailed reply. Ill have to take a peek at one of these eventually.
post #248 of 1646
wondering if anyone else has the following issue, I can't connect to my home media server with the wired connection, works fine with the wireless, its going through a linksys router.
post #249 of 1646
Hi. I got my replacement today and the DSE is 100% gone. Man am I glad I stumbled accross this thread. Also I updated the firmware on this.... seemed to do nothing. Gonna play with the settings now and see if I can eliminate that flicker. Youtube wants you to set the contrast WAAAAY up. Maybe thats causing it. I'll keep playing and post back.
post #250 of 1646
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Originally Posted by creativeoutleh View Post

I have my 735 all setup and still playing with the settings. I still think the picture quality is the best I've seen so far. I'm still trying to find the best setting to handle the soap opera affect that I've seen on all the other brands I was looking at.


I did a personal video on youtube describing the 735 and some initial comments. Please forgive me if I may have used incorrect terminology in certain areas. There isn't a lot of information available on this TV so here is me sharing..

http://youtu.be/6USy5hkCrTo

Good video of the product.

I have been turned off to these models due to the darkened corners that seem to be present on every display model I've seen. I thought I noticed it on your video also.

Does your display have the darkened corners?
post #251 of 1646
I knew about the darkened corners before I bought it and saw a little of it on a display model with an ultra bright white image, but I can't really notice it on mine so far. I'm watching for the issue.
post #252 of 1646
creativeoutleh I watched your vid, very nice. Nice knife too Do you happen to have a fix for the flicker issue? Am I the only one seeing this?
post #253 of 1646
@gutcheck2001 - I haven't noticed or run into the flicker issue yet.
post #254 of 1646
If you pop in Avatar, the awesome scene in the very beginning where the big ship comes at you. First it is red, and then the back of the ship there is a mesh pattern, if you look at it on my screen it is kind of quickly shaking around. Thats the issue I am talking about.
post #255 of 1646
Just saw a 735 on display at Frys.... I REALLY want to like this set, but wasnt completely blown away by it. Sure it looked good and all, its the right size for me (upgrading from a 65" sony RTP 1080i) and is the right price at the size... its 3D... but it didnt really blow my socks off. Perhaps I'm jaded. Perhaps the tv wasnt set up right.... dunno.

I dont know that there are than many other options in the price/size range.

I guess I will take the plunge, they do have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, I guess if I get it home and it doesnt impress I can always return.

edit- ooops... looks like Frys doesnt take returns on TV's. hmmm...
post #256 of 1646
Just curious.

Is there a reason why this thread is not in 3D Displays forum?
post #257 of 1646
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

Just curious.

Is there a reason why this thread is not in 3D Displays forum?

Maybe for the same reason the other half dozen or so 3D capable model's owners threads from various mfgs. haven't been moved there.

Most of the posts in this thread are not actually primarily addressing the 3D capability of this model, as is the case in the Samsung D7000/8000 or Sony 929 owner's threads.

Nothing is stopping anyone from starting a separate thread on these sets in the 3D display forum, with focus on their 3D performance. Since the majority of posters in this forum are not primarily concerned with 3D it would be inconvenient for people concerned with non-3D issues to not have access to the owner's threads in this forum.
post #258 of 1646
Can someone please post their calibrated display settings for the 735? I have tried all iterations of settings on avsforum including the YouTube video settings and am getting very poor color accuracy. The YouTube settings produce neon yellows and overall a bad picture.

I am using movie mode and standard gamut. It would be a HUGE help for someone to post their pro calibrated settings for me. Thanks guys.
post #259 of 1646
To those who have this wall mounted:

Were you able to access the RCA component & composite inputs after it was hung?

The HDMIs are luckily on the side, so no issue there.

Curious because I ran some heavy gauge wire in the wall & want to connect every input possible (for future-proofing)

Thanks!
post #260 of 1646
I have a 735 and, for the most part, really love this set. On BDs, DVDs and Video Games it looks much better than the 70" XBR2 that it replaced. However, DirecTV looks like crap on it. This TV has really made me notice the PQ problems with D* and I now see it on my 65" Mits DLP, my Samsung DLP and my Panny Plasma, but it is worse on this set for some reason.

What I am seeing is flickering blocks in solid colors areas, even on still shots so it's not motion blur. I believe that to be compression artifacts, but I also see problems in panning shots where there are solid colors such as blue skies, white walls etc... In those shots I can see what looks like the screen is dirty for a second. Is that the Dirty Screen Effect or Motion Blur? To me it doesn't look blurry, just dirty. I don't really see any clouds in the screen, but I do notice these issues in solid color areas.

I do not really notice the dirty look in Blu Rays or DVDs, I have noticed it in Gears of War 3 a little though, and I don't see any compression artifacts on those sources, only D*. I have turned off Film Mode and turned off all Motion Enhancement as I can't stand the SOE.

Any ideas? Is this normal or is this something that I should have addressed? I like the TV and I don't have a lot of options if I want to remain at a 70". I already tried the 82" Mitsubishi, but the Rainbow Effect really bothered me on that set, although I don't notice it as much on the 65" Mitsubishi DLP in my bedroom.
post #261 of 1646
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

I have a 735 and, for the most part, really love this set. On BDs, DVDs and Video Games it looks much better than the 70" XBR2 that it replaced. However, DirecTV looks like crap on it. This TV has really made me notice the PQ problems with D* and I now see it on my 65" Mits DLP, my Samsung DLP and my Panny Plasma, but it is worse on this set for some reason.

What I am seeing is flickering blocks in solid colors areas, even on still shots so it's not motion blur. I believe that to be compression artifacts, but I also see problems in panning shots where there are solid colors such as blue skies, white walls etc... In those shots I can see what looks like the screen is dirty for a second. Is that the Dirty Screen Effect or Motion Blur? To me it doesn't look blurry, just dirty. I don't really see any clouds in the screen, but I do notice these issues in solid color areas.

I do not really notice the dirty look in Blu Rays or DVDs, I have noticed it in Gears of War 3 a little though, and I don't see any compression artifacts on those sources, only D*. I have turned off Film Mode and turned off all Motion Enhancement as I can't stand the SOE.

Any ideas? Is this normal or is this something that I should have addressed? I like the TV and I don't have a lot of options if I want to remain at a 70". I already tried the 82" Mitsubishi, but the Rainbow Effect really bothered me on that set, although I don't notice it as much on the 65" Mitsubishi DLP in my bedroom.

My 734 was just delivered and hasn.t made it out of the box yet but to the DirecTv issue: I just called them two days ago because I've been seeing what you describe on my Samsung DLP and my Panny front projector. They told me there's a lot of space debris and it should be gone by this weekend. The girl sounded like she had the same question asked of her about a thousand times recently.
post #262 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Choptop32 View Post

so does this set produce the Soap Opera Effect or not?

Adjust to suite your taste.
post #263 of 1646
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

Adjust to suite your taste.

oh jesus christ... you HAVE to be a troll. The question has already been answered and here you are still giving non-answers. Wow. simply wow.
post #264 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Choptop32 View Post

oh jesus christ... you HAVE to be a troll. The question has already been answered and here you are still giving non-answers. Wow. simply wow.

Short answer is yes, until you turn off the Film mode, then it is gone. HOWEVER, I still can see it a little on non BRD titels, but I think that may be the size etc that I'm just not used to. Coming from a Mits, I am sensitive to it, and to tell you the truth I have it so eliminated that it is basically a non issue.
post #265 of 1646
OK I have a question for you pro's on here, I have the 34U model which is the same thing as the 35U just without the 3-D. I mostly use my sony blu-ray surround unit for sound really never use the tv speakers. Now I have a optical cable swicther that I have my sorround sound, D-TV box, PS3, and XBOX hooked up too. The swicther has 4 outlets for all the things that I use, so whenever I use a item all the do is turn the knob, and no issues. My question is why can I not get netflix sound to come out of my surround sound??? I have tried every thing I know, but since you guys on here are pro's wanted to see if you guys have this issue or have a way of go around it? Thanks every one, by the way this TV kick's ASS, beautiful picture!!!
post #266 of 1646
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Originally Posted by pinkfloyd1173 View Post

OK I have a question for you pro's on here, I have the 34U model which is the same thing as the 35U just without the 3-D. I mostly use my sony blu-ray surround unit for sound really never use the tv speakers. Now I have a optical cable swicther that I have my sorround sound, D-TV box, PS3, and XBOX hooked up too. The swicther has 4 outlets for all the things that I use, so whenever I use a item all the do is turn the knob, and no issues. My question is why can I not get netflix sound to come out of my surround sound??? I have tried every thing I know, but since you guys on here are pro's wanted to see if you guys have this issue or have a way of go around it? Thanks every one, by the way this TV kick's ASS, beautiful picture!!!

If you are using the Netflix app on the TV, your surround system never sees that audio signal as its only within the TV. You will need to run an audio cable from your TV audio out (either optical or digital coax) to your surround system.

If your surround system is capable of Audio Return Channel (ARC) on the HDMI cable, then the TV sound should be available for your surround system to process. The ARC stuff I have no personal experience with, just what I read.
post #267 of 1646
Thanks man it works now, didnt think about that!
post #268 of 1646
Have any of you tried these settings?

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-535396.html

I know it's for the 732 but I personally don't like them either. Has anyone here has this set professionally calibrated?
post #269 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Brettcp View Post

I've had my 735 for a couple of weeks now and am very happy with it. I had it professionally calibrated just two days after it arrived, so I really didn't get a chance to use it very much before it was calibrated.. the calibration took almost 3 hours and the picture quality looks incredible to me. I've never had a TV with 3D before but I must say its incredible. If anybody is interested, I could post some of the calibration results.. anybody in the san diego area is welcome to come check it out in person if you're considering pulling the trigger on this unit.

I do not see much, if any of the soap opera effect - I believe this has to do with the calibration as most of that motion enhancement stuff was turned off.

Is there any chance you can share your calibration settings with us?
post #270 of 1646

Sharp Elite PRO-70X5FD Screen Non-uniformity Example
This was posted by an Elite owner in their Owners thread

When performing an automated calibration with my 70" Sharp 735 with 478 test patterns, this screen non-uniformity is actually worse than my 735. Both are produced at the same facility on the same equipment to the same standards. Of course there are unit-to-unit variations, but all should have some non-ideal fixed patterns. Notice the edges/corners are darker. On the 735 it’s only the corners and on my sample less severe.

BTW, when calibrating with the breakthrough retail version of the i1 Display Pro 3 meter and x-rite software, I set the ATI applets dynamic range in two places: Flat Panel format to Full-Range RGB AND the Video Dynamic range to 0-255. I also make sure that the Windows 7 system default color profiles are loaded in the Control Panel-->Color Calibration for all users. Investigate every button and tab. Then reboot and verify that these important settings at still set. Then calibrate, and then go set the Control Panel-->Color Calibration to use your new profile.
In the x-rite application, I select D6500 light source, native contrast and brightness. Since I use 240Hz frequently I selected that too. I turned color to -5 in the Sharp's menu. Other than that everything is set flat. I did the calibration a night to lessen even the smallest errors (the meter attaches directly to the screen).
I just saw Nine and Chitty-Chitty Bang Bang and every scene looked like a promotional picture from a movie magazine. Virtual perfection with excellent blacks at night or in the daytime. Using these high contrast panels, if the calibration is perfect, then the absolute black level becomes much less important. I want to emphasis that my high opinion of the Sharp 735 is based upon a virtually perfect correction of gray scale and color using my htpc with look-up table correction (just like the professionals in the color industry use). Otherwise a calibrated display will win every time to one uncalibrated or set to dynamic mode. Lets compare apples to apples.

The viewing angle is moderate on these 70" displays. Stand off to the side and the calibrated picture washes out. Make no mistake: plasma is still much wider viewing angle. The glossy filter on the Elite is effective in reducing the local diming induced haloing as blacks become blacker. I viewed the Star Wars Blu-ray ending with the titles scrolling against a black background. If i looked for it I could see the black level increase around the bright text, but the average user would not see it under the Big Box bright lighting. At nighttime it would become an interesting test!
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