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post #31 of 322
Does this player output DSD through the 2 channel analog outputs or does it convert to PCM? Is it better to use the higher upsampling via PCM or keep SACD in the DSD realm? Thanks for your responses.

Mike
post #32 of 322
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

If you use a HDMI connection HDCDs won't be decoded in the player.
Again: You can hear decoded by the player only with analog connections.

My understanding is that you can have the oppo decode and transfer to the denon as a 44.1khz/20 bit LPCM feed, similar to it sending a 88.1khz/24 bit feed for sacd.
post #33 of 322
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Originally Posted by mpstuff View Post

Does this player output DSD through the 2 channel analog outputs or does it convert to PCM? Is it better to use the higher upsampling via PCM or keep SACD in the DSD realm? Thanks for your responses.

Mike

It does neither. It puts out an analog signal. The player will internally decode and send it to the DAC then to the analog outs.
post #34 of 322
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Originally Posted by mpstuff View Post

Does this player output DSD through the 2 channel analog outputs ...

Yes, but converted to analog and not as DSD of course.

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... or does it convert to PCM?

Yes, if you want it. But not through the analog outputs of course.
post #35 of 322
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

... you can have the oppo decode [HDCD] and transfer to the denon as a 44.1khz/20 bit LPCM feed, ...

Do you have any proof for your claim?
The OPPO would be the first player on earth doing this.
Where in the menu do you switch to this behavior? For AVRs with built-in HDCD decoders the player has to output undecoded of course. How will the player know, what to do?
post #36 of 322
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20177005

Read about three or posts around this one.
post #37 of 322
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20177005

Read about three or posts around this one.

Thank you very much!
These OPPO players a damn good...
post #38 of 322
That was my only point, that the yamaha was missing one feature to be a truly universal player. Does that make it a bad player, heck no, for 399 its a great deal. Doing SACD at 176.1khz is fantastic. It has 7.1 plus the stereo 2.0 analogs. Oppo dropped the 2.0 ouputs on the newer 93. If I needed another player it would sure be tempting as I need the 2.0s for my headphone rig. Given my growing SACD collection, I'd have to wonder if the extra 100 dollars for the oppo is worth the extra 4 bits I get from some CDS.
post #39 of 322
love the cosmetics. With the tray at the center lower half of the player, it actually reminds me of the Pioneer Elite DV-58AV. The same thing holds true for the power cord. I love the front panel display. It's nice to see a color other than amber on a component for a change! Due to my sight impairment, running through the setup menu is a little bit of an eye strain, but I successfuly got through it. I had trouble making anything out in the speaker settings, but being that I use HDMI, I don't think that should matter, even when HDMI output is set to PCM for all sources, including SACD. Yet I performed the factory reset just to be sure I didn't screw anything up by trying to play around in the speaker menu, and have never touched it again since. I then connected it to the internet using the Pioneer AS-WL300 USB-powered wifi bridge. Finally, I loaded my SACD edition of "Celine Dion: A Decade of Song." After the bad luck I've been having, I was almost certain that my receiver was downsampling PCM sources above 96 KHz. However, to my surprise, my luck changed and my receiver stated that the BD-A1010 was indeed converting the DSD track to PCM at 176.4 KHz! I don't think I've ever screamed so loudly in the morning before! I hope to watch movies on it soon. My Pioneer BDP-23FD has source direct. While I found it convenient, I can survive without it. I just go into the display menu and change the resolution back and forth, based on whether I'm playing a DVD or Blu-ray. Considering how good the player is, I don't mind having to do that. It would be cool if Pioneer rebadges this player and adds PQLS to it. Then you'd have a winner!
post #40 of 322
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

... Does that make it a bad player,

It depends.
I have a lot of HDCDs. BUT I have an AVR with built-in HDCD decoder. But these AVRs are very rare. So, if you don't have an AVR with built-in HDCD decoder, the Yamaha is a bad player.
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... for 399 its a great deal.

And for $100 more the OPPO is a great deal: Even if you don't have HDCDs you get 2 HDMI outputs with the OPPO. Important if your AVR doesn't support 3D.
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Doing SACD at 176.1khz is fantastic.

Again: It depends.
I have a receiver with built-in DSD decoder, so no need for in player converting to PCM.
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It has 7.1 plus the stereo 2.0 analogs. Oppo dropped the 2.0 ouputs on the newer 93.

I have for many years now no need for mc analog outputs.
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... I'd have to wonder if the extra 100 dollars for the oppo is worth the extra 4 bits I get from some CDS.

Again: It depends.
If the HDCDs use Peak extent and/or gain, it is worth the extra $100.
post #41 of 322
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

It depends.
I have a lot of HDCDs. BUT I have an AVR with built-in HDCD decoder. But these AVRs are very rare. So, if you don't have an AVR with built-in HDCD decoder, the Yamaha is a bad player.

And for $100 more the OPPO is a great deal: Even if you don't have HDCDs you get 2 HDMI outputs with the OPPO. Important if your AVR doesn't support 3D.

Again: It depends.
I have a receiver with built-in DSD decoder, so no need for in player converting to PCM.

I have for many years now no need for mc analog outputs.

Again: It depends.
If the HDCDs use Peak extent and/or gain, it is worth the extra $100.

For someone like myself who doesn't do 3d, has a reciever that doesn't decode DSD or HDCD, and needs the two channel analog outs for a dedicated headphone rig, it may be a good thing. I have to step up to the bdp-95 at 999 for having an dedicated two channel output.
post #42 of 322
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

For someone like myself who doesn't do 3d, has a reciever that doesn't decode DSD or HDCD, ...

... needs a player which decodes DSD and HDCD to PCM.
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... and needs the two channel analog outs for a dedicated headphone rig, it may be a good thing. I have to step up to the bdp-95 at 999 for having an dedicated two channel output.

Why do you need in these days, where everything is connected by HDMI, a dedicated two channel output? Aren't the FL and FR analog outputs from the mc outputs of the bdp-93 enough? I try to understand you.
post #43 of 322
I can now confirm that multi channel DSD to PCM 176.4kHz works on A1010, I just got the unit earlier today.
post #44 of 322
"Universal player"....DON'T exist.

To be a "true" universal player, the player must play both blu-ray & HD dvds. Also the player must play VCD, SVCD & DVD-RAM; none of the players do so.

Also the player must play all audio available formats from all sources without any sampling khz limitations; of course the player must also play stuff on SD cards.

So, please no more crap regarding "universal" player arguements/"specifications".
post #45 of 322
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Originally Posted by citrus View Post

"Universal player"....DON'T exist.

To be a "true" universal player, the player must play both blu-ray & HD dvds.

How about LPs?
post #46 of 322
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

How about LPs?

And LDs? LOL! I think it's a waste/waist* of time defining a universal player. You need to ask yourself what media, formats, and methods of playing them you think you'll be using at one point or another. If you're not into SACDs, but into HDCDs, then get the Oppo. If you're not into DVD-A, then get the Sony. If you're into BD, DVD-A, and SACD, then get this Yamaha. Btw, I've been loving my new 1010 for the past few days. I hope it holds up for a while and that there are no inherent defects with the mechanism, or crap like that.

*Due to my visual impairment and not reading as much since I graduated high school, and relying on verbal output, my spelling is suffering a little bit. I understand that it leaves an impression and I will try my best to do what I can do to get it straightened out.
post #47 of 322
The Lip Sync (audio delay) only works over HDMI, not the 7.1 analog outputs. I talked with Yamaha support and had them confirm this.
post #48 of 322
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Originally Posted by chadje View Post

I am interested in picking one up, but may get the Oppo 93 as I can't see if the Yamaha has any crossover settings for the analog 7.1 outs. I looked through their manual online and it doesn't say anything about it. If anybody owns one and can shed some light it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Speaker settings:
Size: Large or Small
Trim: dB 0 to -12
Delay: .5 to 10 meters
post #49 of 322
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

... If you're into BD, DVD-A, and SACD, then get this Yamaha ...

Why not Pioneer, Denon, Marantz, OPPO?
post #50 of 322
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

Why not Pioneer, Denon, Marantz, OPPO?

I have been debating between this Yamaha and the Oppo.

I feel like Pioneer has lost their edge with the Sharp merger. I had a bad experience with a Marantz product so I am developing a bias.
post #51 of 322
Does anyone know of a way to make this player multi-region for DVD, Blu-ray, or both? Procedures that have worked for the BD-S667, BD-S671, and BD-A1000 would probibly work on this model as well.
post #52 of 322
Hi.

What was the procedure for the BD-S667? The MENU, 8520 then select doesn't work on mine.
post #53 of 322
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

Does anyone know of a way to make this player multi-region for DVD, Blu-ray, or both? Procedures that have worked for the BD-S667, BD-S671, and BD-A1000 would probibly work on this model as well.

I would love to know the code. I have more than a few region 2 DVDs from Japan, currently I can only watch those DVDs on my back-up JVC XV-BP1 and the Japanese XBox 360.
post #54 of 322
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Originally Posted by TuenMuner View Post

I would love to know the code. I have more than a few region 2 DVDs from Japan, currently I can only watch those DVDs on my back-up JVC XV-BP1 and the Japanese XBox 360.

Good evening,

Do you mind sharing an opinion on your new Yamaha or you still need more time?

Your input would be appreciated!

Thx
wrxman
post #55 of 322
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Originally Posted by wrxman View Post

Good evening,

Do you mind sharing an opinion on your new Yamaha or you still need more time?

Your input would be appreciated!

Thx
wrxman

I have yet to try a DVD on my 1010 so I can't comment on that yet, but the BDs look great. Load time is above average(on par with my XV-BD1). The sound is very good with Pure Direct on for both BD and multi-channel SACD.(I have a CD-S1000 to handle 2-channel SACDs) Nice build quality considering the price tag, but the remote is rather crappy, the play/stop buttons, or I should say most of the buttons are way too tiny.

I don't plan to connect it with internet so I will let other owners to comment on the netflix/youtube functions.

Last but not least, a pic of my A1010:

post #56 of 322
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Originally Posted by smartieroadie View Post

Hi.

What was the procedure for the BD-S667? The MENU, 8520 then select doesn't work on mine.

I ment if anyone found a successful procedure for the other three models, because of their similar user interface, it would probibly work on this one.
post #57 of 322
I just got the A1010 today.
Tried it quickly, and none of my AVCHD folder worked, while they're ok on the pioneer LX55.

Also, when there is a disc in the drive, there is a shrill noise very audible.
Quite annoying.
post #58 of 322
So far, the only little bug I've experienced with the 1010 is that when you have the network access enabled, you have to wait between thirty and sixty seconds at power-up before the player becomes responsive to remote or front panel commands. No biggie.
post #59 of 322
So you didn't meet any of the issue I mentionned ?
post #60 of 322
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Originally Posted by Frenshprince View Post

So you didn't meet any of the issue I mentionned ?

I only use store-bought discs and plan on netflix streaming. I rarely rip and reencode because I don't have the time, although when I do, I love the fact that I figured out how to name the files so things play in the order I want them played in. I am glad that the 1010 can play WAVs because I'd be able to have hours of uncompressed CD quality music when I have time to burn certain compilations onto a DVD+RDL.
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