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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
First, we're in Fort Collins, CO and considering getting rid of cable. We would prefer an indoor or attic mount because of the wind, I'd really appreciate some advice on narrowing down our choices. I realize that an indoor mount may have no feasibility but I'd like find out for sure:

http:// www DOT tvfool DOT com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d3e474ee5484fa2

We live a couple of miles east of the foothills and don't have LOS issues to the north or south.

One that we're looking at is the Antennas Direct C2 ClearStream2 but are completely open to suggestions.

A few questions:

1) Will we need a preamp?
2) Are there any special considerations for connecting to a Tivo Premiere?
post #2 of 39
can't help until you post the link correctly.
post #3 of 39
Thread Starter 
I apologize, I am new on the boards and am not allowed to post a regular link. If you replace the ' DOT ' with a period, you should be able to use that link.
post #4 of 39
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Originally Posted by kanjigirl View Post
I apologize, I am new on the boards and am not allowed to post a regular link. If you replace the ' DOT ' with a period, you should be able to use that link.
That didn't work. Try copying and then pasting the link please.
post #5 of 39
Thread Starter 
I cannot do this. This is the warning I get when I try to paste the link:

"You are only allowed to post URLs once you have at least 3 posts. If you are a spammer, please go elsewhere. If not, sorry for this issue the spammers have made for."

Please tell me the recommended way to post URLs given that restriction - I'm happy to do whatever's needed.
post #6 of 39
Thread Starter 
Let me try this:

www tvfool com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d3e474ee5484fa2
post #7 of 39
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Originally Posted by kanjigirl View Post
One that we're looking at is the Antennas Direct C2 ClearStream2 but are completely open to suggestions. Are there any special considerations for connecting to a Tivo Premiere?
You have VHF stations. The C-2 is a "UHF-mostly" antenna. Consider an HBU-44 or HD-7696P. Try to avoid a preamp, KQCK is too strong to amplify.

Connection of an off air antenna to a DVR precludes the use of a rotor. Aim the antenna at Denver and no rotor is needed.
post #8 of 39
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Originally Posted by Tower Guy View Post

You have VHF stations. The C-2 is a "UHF-mostly" antenna. Consider an HBU-44 or HD-7696P. Try to avoid a preamp, KQCK is too strong to amplify.

Connection of an off air antenna to a DVR precludes the use of a rotor. Aim the antenna at Denver and no rotor is needed.

If the tv has a digital tuner, an a-b switch could be employed. This would allow trying to DX, and to try different antenna aims. With my reception history indoors here, I'd never consider not having a rotor.
post #9 of 39
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Originally Posted by Tower Guy View Post

Connection of an off air antenna to a DVR precludes the use of a rotor.

There is a way to use a rotor with a DVR, but it's complicated. You need a rotor with remote control feature. You then set presets for each of your stations.
But the rotor's remote can't do anything when you're not home. So you would get one of those fancy Harmony remotes, which you can program to emulate the rotor's remote. Then, program the Harmony to excecute the appropriate rotor presets at the times your shows are on. You have to leave the Harmony sitting where it will hit the rotor control box with it's IR beam.
The Harmony remote could also be programmed to send commands to a CECB, VCR, DVR, or remote-controlled A/B switch.
post #10 of 39
Thread Starter 
For the most part we'll be using the DVR to stream shows HuluPlus and Netflix, not so much for recording shows on the few digital channels we'll receive. So maybe a rotor's not necessary...
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post #12 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thank you cire2282 for posting the link.
post #13 of 39
Thread Starter 
Any opinion on the Clearstream5? We have a spot on a side eave that would work for a smaller footprint antenna, clear views to the north and south.
post #14 of 39
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You have VHF stations. The C-2 is a "UHF-mostly" antenna. Consider an HBU-44 or HD-7696P. Try to avoid a preamp, KQCK is too strong to amplify.

Our the first shipment of our new version of the C2 (which we called the C2-V during development) came in this week and should be on the website for sale sometime next week. It's a C2 with a unity gain high-VHF dipole on the back (combined with the best off-the-shelf diplexer I could find) that will now offer a predictable measure of VHF performance. It will be packaged as a turnkey consumer product and includes a 20" J-Mount and a 30' RG6 coax cable. However, I'd suspect that more VHF performance would be desirable in Ft Collins for the Denver VHF stations.

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Any opinion on the Clearstream5?

It would be great for the VHF stations but would likely need a separate UHF antenna such as the C2 or a "medium" UHF Yagi for best results. The alternative to the separates is a conventional 7-69 combo as has been suggested.
post #15 of 39
Thread Starter 
The new C2 that you mentioned sounds pretty good - forgive my lack of knowledge but 7-13 are the VHF stations we'd be interested in, no need for any lower stations. So something that picks up 7-13 VHF and UHF up to 51 would be great.

Would I need a preamp with that new C2?
post #16 of 39
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I don't think an attic antenna is going to cut it based on that report. You might have LOS to the North, but not to the South, where the bulk of your stations are.
You can definately give it a shot and see what happens. If you don't get many channels in the attic, then I suggest putting the antenna outdoors. If all you care about is stations to the south, then you do not need a rotor

Also you might want to go with a more conventional antenna like this:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=3739595
post #17 of 39
Thread Starter 
We were planning on putting something outside in a spot with clear LOS to north and south, not in the attic based on what's been said here. Thanks for the link mikepier, this is another that we'd been looking at.
post #18 of 39
For what it's worth, I'm down in Pueblo and have the same kind of wind you experience. I'm using a plain old Radio Shack 10' VHF/UHF antenna and get everything from the Springs perfectly. I do use a CM pre-amp since I have 9 splits. I've had the antenna up for over 5 years mounted on a bracket attached to an eave. When I put mine up, the OTA digital was new and there weren't as many antenna choices (at least not locally) and from the discussions on the local forum thread it seems from the start I've had better luck than most. It wasn't consistent, but KBDI in Denver happened to be in my LOS with the Springs towers and I was picking that up intermittently.

My daughter in Longmont gets just about everything from Denver with an indoor rabbit ears antenna which surprised me, so the signals there must be pretty strong.
post #19 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks lsilvest, good to know.
post #20 of 39
kanjigirl - Please let us know how its coming along. I also live in Fort Collins, near the center of town, and am a newbie to the antenna tv world. I live in a condo that's about 40 years old, and it has an attic antenna of the same age. I get one channel very poorly by hooking into that antenna. Last night I tried a GE Futura antenna from Home Depot mounted outside our building about 10 feet high, and got two channels with poor reception (about 30% signal strength). There are mature trees all around but we back up to a greenbelt, so the closest trees are at least 150 feet away. My TV fool report looks like we should be able to get decent reception, especially with an attic antenna. I guess we need to try and replace the attic antenna, but if anyone else has suggestions I would appreciate it.

www tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9e742e9449f0a1

I am able to get channels 22.1 & 22.2 from that TV Fool List with my Futura, but that's it. I'm just not sure of the best path forward. Thanks.
post #21 of 39
Thread Starter 
We haven't made a purchase yet, but are planning to go with one of the antennas mentioned here. It'll be a roof mount rather than in the attic.

I like the look and size of the C2 mentioned earlier in this thread - is the new one with VHF support available yet, AdTech?
post #22 of 39
Thread Starter 
So this is the antenna that we bought: Clearstream2 Complete from Antennas Direct. It's a VHF/UHF antenna with 50+ mile range. I'll try to post a link here but I don't know if it will work:

http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/...VHF-Combo.html

We have not installed it yet but we did test it - we put the antenna on our front porch in a chair and pointed it toward Denver. We were very pleased with the results: it picked up 34 channels. Picture quality was as good or better than Comcast (especially nice to see HD, which weren't paying for with Comcast). So - thanks for the tip from ADtech, this new antenna worked out perfectly.
post #23 of 39
$120?!! I guess if it works. Personally I think you paid too much.
post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 
It works wonderfully and we definitely don't think we paid too much, given it came with a mounting kit and has a tiny footprint less likely to have problems with the big wind we have here. Very happy with it and would recommend it to others in our town.
post #25 of 39
Thread Starter 
Our antenna's working fine - got it hooked up to both the TV and Tivo, getting about 38 channels.

One mystery though - we don't get KUSA (NBC) from Denver, 9 or 9.1, now that the antenna's on the roof. However we could get it very clearly when we first unpacked the antenna and had it sitting in a chair on the front porch.

My husband wonders if it could have something to do with the metal chair arms that were in contact with the antenna?

This station is only 0.1 dB weaker than the CBS station we pick up just fine, same direction, same distance. And, we're pulling in weaker stations as well, so I don't understand this... any suggestions?
post #26 of 39
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Originally Posted by kanjigirl View Post

Our antenna's working fine - got it hooked up to both the TV and Tivo, getting about 38 channels.

One mystery though - we don't get KUSA (NBC) from Denver, 9 or 9.1, now that the antenna's on the roof. However we could get it very clearly when we first unpacked the antenna and had it sitting in a chair on the front porch.

My husband wonders if it could have something to do with the metal chair arms that were in contact with the antenna?

This station is only 0.1 dB weaker than the CBS station we pick up just fine, same direction, same distance. And, we're pulling in weaker stations as well, so I don't understand this... any suggestions?

Offhand it really doesn't make sense according to your stats. Try asking the question on the Local HDTV Info and Reception forum, Denver thread and I'm sure you'll get an answer.
post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by kanjigirl View Post

Our antenna's working fine - got it hooked up to both the TV and Tivo, getting about 38 channels.

One mystery though - we don't get KUSA (NBC) from Denver, 9 or 9.1, now that the antenna's on the roof. However we could get it very clearly when we first unpacked the antenna and had it sitting in a chair on the front porch.

My husband wonders if it could have something to do with the metal chair arms that were in contact with the antenna?

This station is only 0.1 dB weaker than the CBS station we pick up just fine, same direction, same distance. And, we're pulling in weaker stations as well, so I don't understand this... any suggestions?


Try adjusting the dipole rods, make sure they are fully extended up and locked in. They are responsible for getting VHF channels such as 9.1
If you still can't get anything, try maybe turning the antenna slightly.
post #28 of 39
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Originally Posted by kanjigirl View Post

Our antenna's working fine - got it hooked up to both the TV and Tivo, getting about 38 channels.

One mystery though - we don't get KUSA (NBC) from Denver, 9 or 9.1, now that the antenna's on the roof. However we could get it very clearly when we first unpacked the antenna and had it sitting in a chair on the front porch.

My husband wonders if it could have something to do with the metal chair arms that were in contact with the antenna?

This station is only 0.1 dB weaker than the CBS station we pick up just fine, same direction, same distance. And, we're pulling in weaker stations as well, so I don't understand this... any suggestions?

You might have the antenna in a 'cold' spot instead of a 'hot' spot. All TV signals will have multipath intereference (like the ghosting you used to see on analog TV.) Try putting the rabbit ears in a V shape or try rotating the antenna slightly to see if it helps. If not you would have to look for another mounting location.
post #29 of 39
kanjigirl emailed us for assistance,also.

I suspect it's either interference or multi-path. An FM filter is on the way to her to try out along with instructions to relocate the antenna should the filter not resolve KUSA reception.

The dipoles on the C2v are not adjustable and cannot be formed in a "V". They're horizontal when clicked into place. You have to rotate the whole antenna to adjust them.
post #30 of 39
kanjigirl: It's been a while since your last update. I live in Fort Collins as well
(Taft and Stuart) and was wondering if you saw improvement with the addition of the FM filter? I'm looking to drop Direct TV and pick up an antenna just for the locals which is what we primarily watch.
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