AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Intel Integrated HD Graphics Black Level Setting
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Intel Integrated HD Graphics Black Level Setting - Page 2

post #31 of 58
2/1/12 at 9:09pm
I'm having the same problems. I can't get full shades of black/white to display. Everything is clipping off during calibration of brightness/contrast on the test patterns.

I thought my old TV was a pos, after my new UN55D8000 is having the same problem I looked into my HTPC's video settings. I guess I'm going have to buy a GT 520 now :[
Reply
Reply

AVS Top Picks

post #32 of 58
2/1/12 at 9:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

I'm having the same problems. I can't get full shades of black/white to display. Everything is clipping off during calibration of brightness/contrast on the test patterns.

I thought my old TV was a pos, after my new UN55D8000 is having the same problem I looked into my HTPC's video settings. I guess I'm going have to buy a GT 520 now :[

do you have the input port in pc mode?
Reply
Reply
post #33 of 58
2/1/12 at 10:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantu1 View Post

do you have the input port in pc mode?

I'm not too sure what you mean by PC mode. I just got the TV yesterday and still trying to figure out what all the settings are. It's directly connected to my HTPC using HDMI port 2. I can't see blacker then blacks using AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray test disc not matter if I crank brightness up all the way. It doesnt even seem to reach reference black (#16) - info disappears at #18. The higher I crank the brightness the grayer it all gets w/ no additional info visable below #18. The same happened with the same HTPC using my prior sharp LCD tv, so it has to be something related to the HTPC and the intel graphics.

edit: yep, it was from the intel GPU. I hooked up my Alienware M17xR3 w/ AMD HD 6990 and it was able to display all the black levels below reference black. So I adjusted everything with that setup.
Reply
Reply
post #34 of 58
2/2/12 at 9:51am
Does the Intel driver provide anything like Nvidia's "Content type reported to the display" option? This is a switch that controls whether the card treats the TV as a PC monitor or HDTV, and it is necessary to set it to "Full screen videos" for a lot of TVs out there, else you get PC timings and various anomalies, such as messed up black levels and disabling of TV settings, which is what happens on my Sony W4100.
Reply
Reply
post #35 of 58
2/13/12 at 12:50am
Similar issues for me and my new i3 2100T HTPC, using the 8.15.10.2622 driver. Default 1080 resolution pushes the about 80pixels off the side of my Sony TV in each direction. Setting Quantization to 'Full' seems to fix this, for whatever reason, but the setting doesn't stick...

Grr.
Reply
Reply
post #36 of 58
2/14/12 at 1:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by f0rmula View Post

Similar issues for me and my new i3 2100T HTPC, using the 8.15.10.2622 driver. Default 1080 resolution pushes the about 80pixels off the side of my Sony TV in each direction. Setting Quantization to 'Full' seems to fix this, for whatever reason, but the setting doesn't stick...

Grr.

Have you tried the 8.15.10.2509 drivers? I had problems with the newer ones, but when I reverted to that one, its ok.
Reply
Reply
post #37 of 58
5/24/12 at 11:38pm
I just found this thread, however I recently posted a question in another thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1412179

I was trying to get B-T-B to display just to make sure my new HTPC was performing right & to see how it compared with my other video sources. But nothing I tried made any difference. Tomorrow I'll have to try the custom settings as suggested here.

Originally I was curious why the HTPC did not display B-T-B. After reading this thread I'm now curious why would you want to display B-T-B when video uses 16-235 colors?
Reply
Reply
post #38 of 58
7/19/12 at 1:21am
I'm going to stir this topic up again, as I have just completed an i3-2100 build (HD 2000) and trying to calibrate it on my JVC RS-55.

Driver versions are up to 15.xx and this problem seems to persist. In fact, even with "Quantization" set to "Full", my HTPC appears to not pass below black (BTB) information.

As a matter of fact, with the current set of drivers, my Intel Graphics Control Panel doesn't even have the "override application settings" checkbox as pictured in AFryia's post above.

My projector is set to "HDMI Enhanced", I have the brightness turned up (so it would reveal the Blacker Than Black information if present), and have tried increasing the brightness in the Intel Graphics Control Panel - but alas, no BTB bar shows up regardless of the Quantization setting. Does anyone have any hints for me with the latest drivers (or possibly have a link to download an earlier set of drivers that can be "forced" into displaying BTB as detailed in this thread)?

Thanks,
Paul
Reply
Reply
post #39 of 58
7/19/12 at 5:16am
I will check mine tonight. Thanks
Reply
Reply
post #40 of 58
7/19/12 at 6:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by pkarmouche View Post

I'm going to stir this topic up again, as I have just completed an i3-2100 build (HD 2000) and trying to calibrate it on my JVC RS-55.
Driver versions are up to 15.xx and this problem seems to persist. In fact, even with "Quantization" set to "Full", my HTPC appears to not pass below black (BTB) information.
As a matter of fact, with the current set of drivers, my Intel Graphics Control Panel doesn't even have the "override application settings" checkbox as pictured in AFryia's post above.
My projector is set to "HDMI Enhanced", I have the brightness turned up (so it would reveal the Blacker Than Black information if present), and have tried increasing the brightness in the Intel Graphics Control Panel - but alas, no BTB bar shows up regardless of the Quantization setting. Does anyone have any hints for me with the latest drivers (or possibly have a link to download an earlier set of drivers that can be "forced" into displaying BTB as detailed in this thread)?
Thanks,
Paul
Could be something to do with the YCBCR check box setting under one of the configuration tabs. My understanding (and I'm quite possibly wrong) is that on one setting it will set the RGB output levels for a PC (0-255) and on another TV (16-235). If it's outputting for PC then it won't show blacker than black since black is 0 and can't go any lower. If it is outputting on TV then black is 16 and blacker than black is 0-15. Try change this check box and see if it makes a difference.
Reply
Reply
post #41 of 58
7/19/12 at 8:34pm
I think full quantization will require monitors that is capable of more than 24bit. First step is to load the monitor driver so the HD GPU can recognize what the monitor is capable of. MS PnP driver probably will not supply enough info. Most of our monitors will not support full quantization.

Here is an article that talks about the dynamic range of images.
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/high-dynamic-range-environment-mapping-on-mainstream-graphics-hardware/?wapkw=monitor+quantization

Most monitors use TN mode LCD which is normally white (off). IPS LCD/Monitors are normally black (off) and they have much better black and higher contrast ratio.
Reply
Reply
post #42 of 58
8/21/12 at 8:40am
Sorry about bumping this thread, but it seemed a better option than starting a new one on the same topic. So, as it's become apparent in the last few months that I need to reload 7MC on my media center, I've decided to do a hardware refresh as well. Moving from a Llano to an SB 2100 platform based on all the glowing reviews I've seen regarding how well the current low-end Intel stuff works for HTPC use. Suppose I should've done further research prior to ordering the parts, as I assumed that since ATI/Nvidia have been fixing (then often reintroducing) color space bugs for years, that this couldn't possibly still be an unresolved issue on the Intel platform. And then I see threads like this one. Seems like it would be a fairly big show-stopper for HTPC usage.

Can anyone pass along any updates on this - Is it still an ongoing issue with no solution on the HDx000 integrated GPUs? Any workarounds?
Reply
Reply
post #43 of 58
8/21/12 at 1:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Seems like it would be a fairly big show-stopper for HTPC usage.

What exactly are you saying is a "show-stopper"?
Reply
Reply
post #44 of 58
8/22/12 at 8:20am
Well, I expect most people find it quite annoying to experience a bug that causes video settings to not persist on reboot and requires fiddling with in their GPU settings app to bring back proper color space and calibration. Certainly not something that leads to a high WAF.

Perhaps calling it a "show-stopper" overstates it, but I'm really not intending to quibble about adjectives used to describe the severity of the bug - I'm really much more interested in whether or not it's been resolved, or if any of my fine fellow htpc nerds have found a suitable workaround.
Reply
Reply
post #45 of 58
8/22/12 at 8:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Well, I expect most people find it quite annoying to experience a bug that causes video settings to not persist on reboot and requires fiddling with in their GPU settings app to bring back proper color space and calibration. Certainly not something that leads to a high WAF.

You didn't answer the question.
Reply
Reply
post #46 of 58
8/22/12 at 9:18am
Quote:
You didn't answer the question.

I did indeed answer it, though apparently not to your satisfaction. It seems you'd rather start a semantics argument than be of any help whatsoever, so I'm going to ignore the trolling and hope that someone else chimes in.
Reply
Reply
post #47 of 58
8/22/12 at 9:28am
I solved it by adding a fanless Nvidia GT 430. I figured I was spending so much time fiddling with it, and since time=money, I was just wasting money. It also solved a problem I was having with not getting Cox's mpeg4 channels. It seems like both would be a simple fix, I'm disappointed that Intel couldn't fix it.
Reply
Reply
post #48 of 58
8/22/12 at 9:42am
Thanks for the info Jack. Bummer that Intel haven't addressed it yet.
Reply
Reply
post #49 of 58
8/22/12 at 9:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Certainly not something that leads to a high WAF.

Your wife rejects a system that is set to 16-235 rather than 0-255?
Reply
Reply
post #50 of 58
8/22/12 at 12:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Certainly not something that leads to a high WAF.

Your wife rejects a system that is set to 16-235 rather than 0-255?

Apparently not, since he claims he answered my question but said nothing about that, which is the main part of the bug that I am aware of (and what the subject of the thread seems to be about). I thought the same as you, which is why I asked him for clarification. I still don't know what he is worried about.
Edited by jim2100 - 8/22/12 at 12:56pm
Reply
Reply
post #51 of 58
8/22/12 at 12:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Quote:
You didn't answer the question.

I did indeed answer it,

Indeed you did not answer it.

An answer would look like:

The problem is that when you try to do _________ instead of what should happen ________________ , what actually happens is ________________.
Reply
Reply
post #52 of 58
8/22/12 at 3:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divide_by_zero View Post

Thanks for the info Jack. Bummer that Intel haven't addressed it yet.

Wish it was info that didn't involve spending 80 bucks but I was so sick of dealing with it. My guests probably would never notice the difference but it was driving me crazy.
Reply
Reply
post #53 of 58
9/24/12 at 6:11am
Anybody else notice the quantization setting has been removed in the new Intel drivers? I would assume they defaulted the setting to limited until they get it fixed?
Reply
Reply
post #54 of 58
11/23/12 at 4:30am
I can't get HD (DTS-HD and TrueHD) bitstream with custom resolution 1080p. Add custom resolution and get full range RGB but lost HD bitstream, delete custom resolution, reboot and get HD bitstream but lost full range RGB. W.T.F.?
Intel SandyBridge I5 2300, Win7 x64, tested all Video and MEI drivers - result the same. Can someone help me ?
Reply
Reply
post #55 of 58
11/23/12 at 8:54am
I am not sure what your trying to do... Your talking you want full 0-255 scale output and some reason can not send out bitstream audio ?

Can you be more specific.
Reply
Reply
post #56 of 58
11/23/12 at 11:27pm
I'm talk about that look like Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) do not like custom resolutions and "switch off" PAP (or HDCP support) and as the result TrueHD & DTS-MA is not available any more.
I install MEI and display driver and get RGB limited and HD bitstream, than I add custom resolution 1080p60 and get Full RGB and NO HD bitsream, than I delete custom resolution and ... here we go again.
A lot of people here talk about trick to get full RGB output from Sandy Bridge and no one do not pay attention to this "side effect". Thanx.
Reply
Reply
post #57 of 58
11/24/12 at 7:51am
Video card for the win ?
Reply
Reply
post #58 of 58
11/24/12 at 12:34pm
Useful.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Home Theater Computers

AVS Top Picks

AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Intel Integrated HD Graphics Black Level Setting