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This forum has been an invalid resource for me over the past week as I've battled through the challenges of setting up a home system. I have one final mission which I can't seem to figure out and hoped someone might help me out. I have a Denon avr-1912 thats working flawlessly with feedback ,etc. but the one thing I can't seem to do is get the pandora channel, artist, and song feedback. If possible, I want to avoid using the pandora app via a weblink because my end user will find it problematic to have to switch on airplay on the ipad (read: my mom will never figure that out). In a perfect world I'd love to have three lines showing three channels (active, and scroll up and down) and then once a channel is selected, I'd want the channel, the artist, and the song. I'm going to guess that the three channel concept is a pipe dream, but I can't see any reason why showing the channel, artist, and track would not be possible.

I did find this, but I can't make head or tail of it:

Example Net/USB First level:

NSE0DENON:[AVR-3312CI]\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE1\\x02Favorites\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE2\\x02Internet Radio\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE3\\x0AMedia Server\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE4\\x02Flickr\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE5\\x02Napster\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE6\\x02Pandora\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE7\\x02Rhapsody\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE8 [ 3/7 ]\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D

Example Pandora First Level:

NSE0My Station\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE1\\x0ANew Station\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE2\\x01*Quick Mix\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE3\\x01*Classic Rock Radio\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE4\\x01*Blues Rock Radio\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE5\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE6\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE7\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE8 [ 1/4 ]\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D

Example Pandora Now Playing:

NSE0Now Playing\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE1\\x01Low Rider\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE2\\x01War\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE3\\x01128kbps\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE4\\x00The Best Of War\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE5\\x00 00:00 0%\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE6\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE7\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D
NSE8 [ 3/4 ]\\x00\\x00...\\x00\\x00\\x0D


i feel like I have all the infor I need I just can't figure out what to do with it!!

B

Having an issue with displaying my first panel - the page is blank with a small white "antenna" icon displayed in the upper corner. I am able to tap the "back" button on my Galaxy Tab to get the panel page to show for a second but then it goes back to the blank page. Anyone encountered this before?

(This is my first try at getting iRule up and running)

[I've got the Global Cache iTach setup within iRule]

Hi,

I have changed my amp from an Onkyo 905 to an Onkyo 3009 and have just finished the first stage of setting iRule up using ip instead of RS232. I upgraded to pro and have managed to get feedback working using ip even though I couldn't get the feedback to work over RS232. Later on I am hoping to get feedback working on my Oppo 93 using the itach RS232 device that I was using with the Onkyo.

However, the problem I want to sort out first is some missing commands from the ip database for the Onkyo. I can't find numerical buttons or the direct tuning button for tuning radio stations. I need 0-9, 10+ and direct tuning buttons. They don't seem to be in the database.

Can anyone help with this and think of a reason why I couldn't get feedback working using RS232. I followed the same procedure with both types of commands and got ip feedback working first time.

Thanks for any help

Graham

Wanted to add some more info to my first post - I have an Entrance setup that turns on the TV, AVR, and DISH all at once - and that's working. It's just that the Panel does not display. I'm going to record a short video of the problem then upload to YouTube (I'll post it once it's available; probably tomorrow).

Here is the only information I could find - hope this helps:

"TUN" - Tuning Command
"nnnnn" "sets Directly Tuning Frequency (FM nnn.nn MHz / AM nnnnn kHz / SR nnnnn ch)
put 0 in the first two digits of nnnnn at SR"
"DIRECT" starts/restarts Direct Tuning Mode
"0" sets 0 in Direct Tuning Mode
"1" sets 1 in Direct Tuning Mode
"2" sets 2 in Direct Tuning Mode
"3" sets 3 in Direct Tuning Mode
"4" sets 4 in Direct Tuning Mode
"5" sets 5 in Direct Tuning Mode
"6" sets 6 in Direct Tuning Mode
"7" sets 7 in Direct Tuning Mode
"8" sets 8 in Direct Tuning Mode
"9" sets 9 in Direct Tuning Mode
"UP" sets Tuning Frequency Wrap-Around Up
"DOWN" sets Tuning Frequency Wrap-Around Down
"QSTN" gets The Tuning Frequency
Ex: FM 100.5 MHz(100/200kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI24][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN1][!1TUN0][!1TUN0][!1TUN5]
Ex: FM 100.55 MHz(50kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI24][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN1][!1TUN0][!1TUN0][!1TUN5][!1TUN5]
Ex: FM 90.0 MHz(100kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI24][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN9][!1TUN0][!1TUN0]
Ex: FM 90.00 MHz(50kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI24][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN9][!1TUN0][!1TUN0][!1TUN0]
Ex: AM 1230 kHz(10kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI25][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN1][!1TUN2][!1TUN3]
Ex: AM 1341 kHz(9kHz Step) Direct Tuning is [!1SLI25][!1TUNDIRECT][!1TUN1][!1TUN3][!1TUN4][!1TUN1]

Got the video uploaded to PhotoBucket, please take a look (sorry for the image rotation, I think that occurred on upload...):

That's weird! have you tried a different orientation?

It's almost like your status bar is causing the rest of the display to disappear. I'd say it's a rendering error, but whether it's with iRule or your device, it's hard to say.

dykz34, I don't know anything about Android, but it looks like maybe your device is locked in landscape mode... If you have a blank landscape page defined in that panel, and the device is locked to landscape mode, then iRule would just switch from the portrait page you've defined to the blank landscape page, and it would look just like your video.

SC

Doing a little digging for you and it sounds like Sharp's IP commands are a little quirky but I found a good link for you that shows all the undocumented remote commands for 2012. If it's like most OEM IP/RS232 protocol docs it should tell you the required Start & End. This is what iRule needs to know on some newer devices. Also are you sure you're using the correct port as not all devices use 23 (although if you're using straight hyperterminal it would most likely be 23).

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...ad.cgi?473,new

After almost a month I have my iPad remote all but complete. Thanks to all who have helped... you guys are the best!

That being said could someone help me with my main start page where I have my macros defined to either 'Watch' or 'Listen' a particular device in my rack. After the button I select has finished executing the power On sequences, is there a way to tell the remote to jump to a certain page or am I supposed to convert the button to a link, defining my intended devices and simply drag my commands to that link? If the latter then will it execute all the commands prior to the switch to that links page (and if so is that where you all are putting in your messages during the macro execution)?

I have to say this was one daunting, time consuming project, but I gotta admit once I got the hang of the application (which is not for the faint of heart!), I really had fun designing the pages and using Photoshop as I used to frequent in my early dev. days. And thank God for two things in order to succeed here . . . Photoshop (of course) and the OEM's IP/RS232 protocol manuals on the web! I love all the undocumented commands you can use to directly control that one function. Like for instance on my Denon 5308ci I use the third Sub output to feed my four Buttkickers and was able to code a 'Transducer +' & 'Transducer -' button (see attached pic), in 1db increments up or down (vs. 13 remote strokes to get to that function in the menu!). Simply awesome!

I attached a few of the custom pages in case anyone has any suggestions for a better layout!

Oh and for anyone looking to get all your commands in the builder I highly recommend the GC-IRL ir Learner device for $80 which works like a champ to get you your needed hex strings. I know my IP2IR has this built in but since I do all my development on my mac in our family room I didn't have to worry about getting behind my theater rack in order to learn my undefined or older legacy devices. I used the irLearner and a Prolific usb to serial adapter which worked great once I figured out the serial interrupt on my Mac.

Kevin,

You are on the right track with your start/activity page. If you already have commands/macro on the buttons then just convert them to links they will retain your macros you already assigned to the buttons.

I'll look into that program.. until then, I found an updated protocol list and it looks like maybe this is what i'm looking for (regarding feedback for net/usb on Denon AVRs). Maybe?

EVENT PARAMETER function
NSE Onscreen Display Information(mserver/iRadio) is
Answered By the NSE Command.

0 Display Line1 Information NSE0**************_?????
1 Display Line3 Information NSE1※************_?????
2 Display Line4 Information NSE2※************_?????
3 Display Line5 Information NSE3※************_?????
4 Display Line6 Information NSE4※************_?????
5 Display Line7 Information NSE5※************_?????
6 Display Line8 Information NSE6※************_?????
7 Display Line9 Information NSE7**************_?????
8 Display Line10 Information NSE8**************_?????
*:UTF-8 CODE Character(MAX95byte)
_:Null
?: Don't Care (The character after Null
should be disregarded)
※:Cursor&Playable Music
Information Data(1Byte)
Bit1:Playable Music =1
Bit2,3on't Care
Bit4:CURSOR SELECT=1
Bit5,6,7,8on't Care
************_?????:96byte Fixed

NSE0Now Playing USB_????
NSE1※Come Away With Me_???
NSE2※Norah Jones_?????????
NSE3※_????????????????????
NSE4※_????????????????????
NSE5※00:11 100%_???????
NSE6※_????????????????????
NSE7_????????????????????
NSE8_????????????????????

Thanks for that, will give it a try later

Graham

Hey guys, that's a great idea; I'll create a landscape page tonight and test it out. It's weird that my Android "home" page is in portrait, then opening iRule switches it to Landscape...

Hi, I think this beyond my capabilities. I don't know what to do at all.

There are no number buttons or "direct" button in the list of commands. The only buttons with numbers are RIHD 0-10 and NET TUNE 0-9 and these don't work with the tuner.

The only thing I can get to work is the TUNER FREQUENCY UP and DOWN. There is also TUNER PRESET buttons listed 1-40 but there aren't any commands for PRESET or MEMORY

Regards

Graham

Hi,

Has anyone got an irule landscape page for Internet radio they can show me. I have not bothered with Internet radio before but would like an idea on layout and what commands are required. Are there any specific buttons for this?

Thanks,

Graham

I created a second landscape page and now everything is working! The app must not have liked having only a single portrait page...

I ran into a snag that I am still trying to figure out.

The power went out to the house. When the router rebooted, the IP address changed. I use Comcast cable as the provider. Evidently, they do not allow residential users to have static IP addresses. (I am not going to pay for a business account)

Does anyone know if this is true and or if there is a way to work around this. It is easy enough to reset the IP address, butnot something I want to do every time the power goes out. I read there may be a third party solution.

it is true that most (if not all) ISPs will not provide static ip addresses unless you're paying extra for a business level account. this is the exact reason dynamic dns services exist. i use dyn.com (formerly dyndns.org), but there are other options out there as well. you setup your account and hostname on the website, then configure your router with your login info and it keeps the dns entry up to date with the current ip address.

You're talking about a potential problem, but haven't really mentioned how the problem impacted you or what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to control your system with iRule from off-site?

SC

I will try and clarify, and this applies to the way I understand how the IP addresses are assigned.

When I installed the iTach it was randomly assigned an IP address. I put that address in iRule. All works fine. If there is a power interruption, the iTach gets a new randomly generated IP address. It is not the same as the one in iRule. It is easily fixed using iHelp and inputing the new IP address.

I assume a solution for this is to assign a static IP address via the router. However, I cannot figure out how to assign a static IP address on my Comcast router.

Not worried about a remote location.

I may be missing something simple. But I do not want to have to go back in and reassign an IP address every time there is a power interruption.

I suppose another solution is to put the router on an uniterrrupted power supply.

Have I explained this any better?

ah, yes, that definitely clarifies. i was mistaken about what you were describing before. first, make sure you understand the difference between the external (wan) ip address that comcast assigns to your router, and the internal (lan) ip address that the dhcp server within your router assigns to the various devices on your network. second, make sure you understand the difference between a static ip address and a dhcp reservation, and make sure that when you say "static ip", that is in fact what you are really talking about. static ip addresses are assigned/configured within the device itself. if i want my computer to have a static ip address on my network, i go into it's tcp/ip settings and specify it's address and other parameters (subnet mask, gateway, etc). if i want my global cache device to have a static ip address, i do the same thing within it's configuration (web pages, etc). that'd be one way to skin the cat.

the other way would be to configure a dhcp reservation within your router so that every time a particular device requests an ip address from the router, the router assigns it the same address. this is the type of setup you're alluding to when you talk about the router "assigning a static ip address". since you've mentioned a "comcast router" i'm assuming comcast must give you a modem and router all-in-one piece of hardware and since i have no experience with comcast or any of their hardware, i can't really provide any help on how to set up dhcp reservations within it. maybe someone else can chime in and help out, if thats the route you want to go.

neither of these things have anything to do with whether or not comcast is assigning a static address to the wan side of your router, which is what you'd pay for a business class account in order to have.

as for static ip vs. dhcp reservations, i prefer dhcp reservations because it's centrally managed (vs. static ip where each individual device is responsible for itself) and it eliminates the need to keep a spreadsheet or some other method of keeping track of what devices have what ip addresses. if i want to change which bank of ip addresses correspond to a certain group of devices, its one web page, as opposed to (eg.) 15 individual devices. the downside to dhcp reservations is that you have to collect all of the mac addresses of all of your devices, since that is the unique identifier of a piece of network hardware, and is how the router knows which ip address to assign to which device. but that only needs to be done once.

1. Access your iTach's configuration webpage and open the "Network" page.
2. Remove the check in the box to the left of "Enable DHCP."
3. The IP Address, Gateway, and Subnet Mask fields will become editable.
4. Assign whatever IP you'd like (just re-input the old IP).

EDIT: Forgot to mention, routers can only "reserve" IP addresses in the case of another device trying to take the IP of your iTach.

This is one of the best explanations I've read for distinguishing between static IPs and DHCP reservations. Thank you.

I have a mixture of both on my LAN. Between iPads, smartphones, A/V components, NAS box, HTPC and home PC, iTach, etc., I think I have at least 25 devices with IP addresses. Other than the advantage of being able to centrally manage DHCP reservations, is there any reason to go with DHCP reservations instead of static IPs? Is there an advantage for using static IPs for certain devices? For example, the iPad I use for iRule has a static IP, as do both of my TiVos, because I've read that the iRule connection is more reliable if the iPad is set up with a static IP. Thanks . . .

Thanks gentlemen. I am much better informed than I was before. Obviously I have only a rudimentry understanding of how alll this works. Heck, I was estatic when I got the iTach working so easily.

If I understand correctly, this should help with some other connection problems I have been having.

I feel like I am still in the dial up age.

Can't wait to get into this tonight.

Update.

I went through the steps Dave recommended and then cycled the power on the router. The IP address was unchanged on the iTach. I am going to claim success on that one. Thanks Dave.

Were I have failed is with the help bs gave. It used to be that on XP I could see all of the network connections. I think it was an icon in the lower right hand side. But since I have a new PC, there is no icon there. I have putzed around in the configuration but am not finding what was so well detailed out about how to set dhcp reservations. If you could help an old dos guy out with all this new fangled internet stuff, I would appreciate it.

I will do some googling to see if there is some basics I need to understand. I really have not kept up with networking. I work for a large corporation and have no admin rights at work, so all of the networking settings are out of my hands.

The next power outage will be the final exam on whether this fix worked, but thanks for getting me on the right path.

Has anyone used IP control for the Sony VPL-VW1000ES? I think I need a port number, but can't find what to use.

Nice. Where did you get the narrower source buttons?

John

Thanks John!

They are under 'Transport' images when you search the iRule DB but I included a blank one here for you.

I have just put together the commands in a downloadable iRule device called "Onkyo Tuner". The numbers by themselves should directly access your presets, and hitting the button you assign the command "Direct Input" to, will let you press the buttons to directly tune in a station.

Let me know if this works for you. It works great for me.