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post #7321 of 8399
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Originally Posted by rs691919 View Post

Hmm, I wasn't able to make that work for some reason. Nothing happens when I control and left click the mouse.
Keep in mind, the only way to get a graphic from the builder and onto your hard drive for editing is by "browsing" the galery. IOW, if you already have the graphic downloaded into your project, you can't save it from there, you still need to go back to the galery where you got it from and "view" the galery. From the "view" window you can CTRL/Click/Drag to your desktop.

This is the "browse" window.


Once you click on the eyeball icon to view the gallery, you'll see this window.
post #7322 of 8399
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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

I'm guessing you can run 20 blasters if you really wanted too yes. I'm pretty sure iRule should let you dump 3 devices on 1 output. I know the Global Cache devices can handle it

Voltage is what you have to worry about. More you split, less voltage goes to each IR emitter thus reliability goes down. I think there is a certain way to wire it though to make it work.



Alex
post #7323 of 8399
Wow such and extensive thread here that I was tempted to start a new one for Newbies so I will just post some basic questions here.

1.
The Software
Is the iRule builder app a web based type program that one can run with either Windows or Mac?
I am using an iMac and just wonder if these iLearn and iBuilder are comparable with my
iMac.

2.
The Hardware
http://www.iruleathome.com/the-hardware/product/listing
WOW, tons of different little boxes here, which one is right for me?
I have all of my equipment rack in the back of my HT room, my wifi
router sits at the top of the stack. I can connect the box directly to
my ethernet or via wifi. Currently I control my equipment and lights
with an IR blaster.
Which Box should I get?

Thanks
post #7324 of 8399
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Originally Posted by isisyodin View Post

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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

I assume you use the http commands. There you can also find discrete power commands:
POWER OFF:
cgi-bin/do?cmd=ir_code\x26ir_code=A15EBF00
POWER ON:
cgi-bin/do?cmd=ir_code\x26ir_code=A05FBF00
and of course:
POWER TOGGLE:
cgi-bin/do?cmd=ir_code\x26ir_code=BC43BF00
____
Axel

Ill try it. I am guessing you have your power button set to Standby in the Dune, right? I ask so because the other option which is to power off the dune will ignore network commands and won't come on unless one uses the remote IR command.

Thanks for the tip.

yep, in standby.
I believe I also need it as my MyMovies is set to update the index on the Dune, when the Dune is not running.

___
Axel
post #7325 of 8399
I am just setting up my first iRule remote and have some equipment control questions. I am currently thinking of moving from a Pronto TSU9600/RFX9600 setup.

Anthem D2V
Oppo BDP-103 Bluray player
DirecTV HR34
Arcam CD72T
Pioneer Elite Signature Pro-141
WDTV Live Hub.

The Anthem will be connected using either the iTach IP2SL or GC-gateway. The Arcam will be either IP2IR or GC-gateway. I have serial RS232 and IR codes for both.

All the other items have an ethernet cable into them and through dedicated software or apps, can be controlled remotely via IP control.

I have been successful at controlling the DirecTV HR34 using iRule, but cannot get the WDTV Live Hub to be controlled and cannot find IP controls for the Pioneer 141 or the Oppo. Do these controls exist and where would I find them or how could I obtain them? The WDTV says it is supported on iRule's website and I have configured using the recommend port and HTTP method, but cannot control it. The port stated by iRule is 80, but the WDTV remote app on my iPhone uses port 3388. I have tried both with no success and I do have the correct IP address.

I also want to use a dedicated remote control device as to duplicate the dedicated functionality of my TSU9600 today and always have it availabe in the family room. I have purchased and am trying to decide which to keep between the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" and 10.1 tablets. The 7.0 is about the same size as my current Pronto which is easy to hold, but at the same time, the 10.1 gives more space on a screen to place buttons. The 7.0 could be used one handed and the 10.1 seems like it would need two.

Does anyone have comments as to which would be the better tablet size to keep and use and why?
post #7326 of 8399
Simple question I think .. If I have a source button that has the blue edge b/c I'm already in that panel .. how do you make it not dim b/c it doesn't have a command assigned. I'm been just creating a link to the page I'm on (ie, does nothing) but didn't know if there was a way around this for some other graphics I have.
post #7327 of 8399
Hi -

If you are talking about the GC-100 on Ebay(Aroung $30 or best offer) - Jump on it, I bought two of them. They work great with iRule.
post #7328 of 8399
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Originally Posted by tgatlinjr View Post

Hi -

If you are talking about the GC-100 on Ebay(Aroung $30 or best offer) - Jump on it, I bought two of them. They work great with iRule.

Hmmm, really? This is your first post, you sure your not the one sellin em? cool.gif
post #7329 of 8399
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Originally Posted by hoehne View Post

I am just setting up my first iRule remote and have some equipment control questions. I am currently thinking of moving from a Pronto TSU9600/RFX9600 setup.
Anthem D2V
Oppo BDP-103 Bluray player
DirecTV HR34
Arcam CD72T
Pioneer Elite Signature Pro-141
WDTV Live Hub.
The Anthem will be connected using either the iTach IP2SL or GC-gateway. The Arcam will be either IP2IR or GC-gateway. I have serial RS232 and IR codes for both.
All the other items have an ethernet cable into them and through dedicated software or apps, can be controlled remotely via IP control.
I have been successful at controlling the DirecTV HR34 using iRule, but cannot get the WDTV Live Hub to be controlled and cannot find IP controls for the Pioneer 141 or the Oppo. Do these controls exist and where would I find them or how could I obtain them? The WDTV says it is supported on iRule's website and I have configured using the recommend port and HTTP method, but cannot control it. The port stated by iRule is 80, but the WDTV remote app on my iPhone uses port 3388. I have tried both with no success and I do have the correct IP address.
I also want to use a dedicated remote control device as to duplicate the dedicated functionality of my TSU9600 today and always have it availabe in the family room. I have purchased and am trying to decide which to keep between the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" and 10.1 tablets. The 7.0 is about the same size as my current Pronto which is easy to hold, but at the same time, the 10.1 gives more space on a screen to place buttons. The 7.0 could be used one handed and the 10.1 seems like it would need two.
Does anyone have comments as to which would be the better tablet size to keep and use and why?

For Oppo 103, I think you should check the owner thread. I remembered asking this, and basically the IP protocol is not opened "yet". Oppo had its own dedicated apps, but right now only Android (though iOS should be coming soon. They do have RS232 avaiable though, so I think that will be your safest bet, and if you don't want to wait...
post #7330 of 8399
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

Simple question I think .. If I have a source button that has the blue edge b/c I'm already in that panel .. how do you make it not dim b/c it doesn't have a command assigned. I'm been just creating a link to the page I'm on (ie, does nothing) but didn't know if there was a way around this for some other graphics I have.

You can also add a delay to the button. In the left side of the builder, click the button name, right click and add delay. I just use the default of .2 seconds.
post #7331 of 8399
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Wow such and extensive thread here that I was tempted to start a new one for Newbies so I will just post some basic questions here.
1.
The Software
Is the iRule builder app a web based type program that one can run with either Windows or Mac?
I am using an iMac and just wonder if these iLearn and iBuilder are comparable with my
iMac.
2.
The Hardware
http://www.iruleathome.com/the-hardware/product/listing
WOW, tons of different little boxes here, which one is right for me?
I have all of my equipment rack in the back of my HT room, my wifi
router sits at the top of the stack. I can connect the box directly to
my ethernet or via wifi. Currently I control my equipment and lights
with an IR blaster.
Which Box should I get?
Thanks

irule builder is web-based, so you should be able to access it no problem. You can do a 30-day trial as well and see if you are able to get to those.
THe ilearn and ihelp are from Global Cache.Officially they do not have the MAC version, but I think someone created it for them.
http://www.rmartijnr.eu/

For the hardware, it depends on your equipment:
1) If they can be IP control, you do not need a box.
2) If you intend to connect via RS232, then get the IP2SL since you had ethernet access already. RS232 is one per device, and they can support feedback if you need it.
3) If you intend to connect via IR, then get the IP2IR since you had ethernet access already. IP2IR had 3 ports and if you already had a blaster, you might even be able to hook it up to it.

So, get the list of equipment and figure out if you want to go with IP, RS232 or IR.

Hope that helps.

Thomas
post #7332 of 8399
If you don't want the link dimmed, you have to assign it both a panel and a page, not just a page.
post #7333 of 8399
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

Simple question I think .. If I have a source button that has the blue edge b/c I'm already in that panel .. how do you make it not dim b/c it doesn't have a command assigned. I'm been just creating a link to the page I'm on (ie, does nothing) but didn't know if there was a way around this for some other graphics I have.

Either make it a link or drop a delay onto it. You can also do a "punch through" macro on it that matches the Entrance. That way if something didn't execute right, you press it again and it will send everything again.



Alex
post #7334 of 8399
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

irule builder is web-based, so you should be able to access it no problem. You can do a 30-day trial as well and see if you are able to get to those.
THe ilearn and ihelp are from Global Cache.Officially they do not have the MAC version, but I think someone created it for them.
http://www.rmartijnr.eu/
For the hardware, it depends on your equipment:
1) If they can be IP control, you do not need a box.
2) If you intend to connect via RS232, then get the IP2SL since you had ethernet access already. RS232 is one per device, and they can support feedback if you need it.
3) If you intend to connect via IR, then get the IP2IR since you had ethernet access already. IP2IR had 3 ports and if you already had a blaster, you might even be able to hook it up to it.
So, get the list of equipment and figure out if you want to go with IP, RS232 or IR.
Hope that helps.
Thomas

Just to add to #1. Not only it has to be IP controllable, you have to have the control protocol documentation. Some companies do not publish their control protocol docs.



Alex
post #7335 of 8399
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Wow such and extensive thread here that I was tempted to start a new one for Newbies so I will just post some basic questions here.
1.
The Software
Is the iRule builder app a web based type program that one can run with either Windows or Mac?
I am using an iMac and just wonder if these iLearn and iBuilder are comparable with my
iMac.
2.
The Hardware
http://www.iruleathome.com/the-hardware/product/listing
WOW, tons of different little boxes here, which one is right for me?
I have all of my equipment rack in the back of my HT room, my wifi
router sits at the top of the stack. I can connect the box directly to
my ethernet or via wifi. Currently I control my equipment and lights
with an IR blaster.
Which Box should I get?
Thanks

iRule Builder works on a Macbook pro.......sort of. The touch pad will not right click and show menus for delete content and such. If you use a mouse you should be fine as this is what I use on my iMac and it works fine. Syncing works fine which is the important part.

I'm using the iTach Wifi (3) as well as IP/232 (2) and they work very well, no hiccups yet. The Wifi ones can be a little tricky on a Mac but very doable. If you follow their directions you may get lost what you do is hook up the wifi iTach go to your iMac and hit Settings/Network and the global cache itach will show up in the drop down as a wireless network, select it ...............then putting their default IP located in their instructions in safaris web browser then follow the instructions

If you need to reset it and try again, get a LARGE paper clip and barely stick it in the reset hole until the lights blink. There is NO button so if you have a small paper clip you need to stick it in 1/8" and move the paper clip slightly right and up. Remember there is no button it's like tripping a breaker for the lack of knowing what type of reset this is called

Since you can run an ethernet cable to the device I would get the Itach IP http://www.smarthome.com/81181/Global-Cache-IP2IR-iTach-Wired-TCP-IP-to-IR/p.aspx or if you dont have the extra plug in get the http://www.smarthome.com/81188/Global-Cache-IP2IR-P-iTach-IP-to-IR-with-PoE/p.aspx
Edited by Mark P - 11/27/12 at 2:54pm
post #7336 of 8399
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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

iRule Builder works on a Macbook pro.......sort of. The touch pad will not right click and show menus for delete content and such.

You can control+click to get that right click menu. Not as useful as a dedicated right click built in, but if you don't have a mouse lying around...
post #7337 of 8399
Unless your MacBook is more than 3-4 years old, you can most definitely right-click on the trackpad in Builder (and any other app). You just need to enable it (Apple doesn't enable it by default).

In 10.7 and 10.8...
System Preferences >Trackpad > Enable "Secondary Click"

10.5 and 10.6 are very similar, just a little different-looking Trackpad preferences panel.

Also, like Chirpie mentioned, on older machines, if you don't have a mouse laying around, you can always resort to control-click.

SC
post #7338 of 8399

Sv: iRule

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Originally Posted by hoehne View Post


I also want to use a dedicated remote control device as to duplicate the dedicated functionality of my TSU9600 today and always have it availabe in the family room. I have purchased and am trying to decide which to keep between the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" and 10.1 tablets. The 7.0 is about the same size as my current Pronto which is easy to hold, but at the same time, the 10.1 gives more space on a screen to place buttons. The 7.0 could be used one handed and the 10.1 seems like it would need two.

Does anyone have comments as to which would be the better tablet size to keep and use and why?

I also have both a 7.0 and 10.1. I found the 7" pretty much an ideal form factor for iRule. The 10.1 is just too large and unwieldy IMO. Besides I don't think you need any more buttons on a daily use remote than will comfortably fit on a 7". Many of the shared designs seem to be of the "let's see how many buttons we can cram into this screen" variety but I prefer a more simple design. I posted my layout earlier in the thread.

The Tab2 7.0 works great. The only problems I have is that it will not vibrate on tap and wake on LAN does not work.

Although you must have large hands if you can operate the 7" one handed smile.gif
post #7339 of 8399
Is anyone using iRule to control a HTPC running Windows 8 through the MCE Controller software?

I am considering an upgrade to 8 and if MCE Controller works, I see some possibilities of also controlling Metro from iRule.

I can always try, and re-image the machine if it doesn't work, but I thought I'd ask first. smile.gif
post #7340 of 8399
Re setting up a NFL Sunday Ticket Page with program info:

I never heard back from the guys at Waltz Remote but after further digging it looks like they use scripts/JSON/AJAX to get their program info from the DirecTV guide on the website, parse it and put it into a layout on a web page.

I wasn't sure how that would work in the iRule environment, so I went back and looked more carefully at what SeldomSeen31 had done previously (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1351981/irule/7230#post_22603300) since it looked like he got soooo close...and late last night I got an NFL Sunday Ticket page with program info to work. Here's a quick layout and proof of concept (I'll finish up the page layout later tonight):



As I said, SeldomSeen31 was very close. For each channel number that you want to display program info for, for example 704, you need:
1) A unique DirecTV HTTP Remote Device in the builder (ie. DirecTV704)
2) A unique Channel Info Query Network Code in that Device that references the channel (ie. tv/getProgInfo?major=704)
3) A unique Entrance in the Panel that executes that Channel Info Query (fyi, I use repeat every 10 secs)
4) A unique Feedback in the builder that references that DirecTV704 Device in the feedback properties
5) Place the Title Feedback Code for that unique Feedback in the page
6) Save
7) Sync your iPad
8) Go to Panel, Gateway, add a new HTTP Gateway, add the DirecTV704 device and your IP address etc
9) and that's it. smile.gif

The problem before was that if you had multiple query's on the same device and feedback, the latest query would apply to all feedbacks on that device and confuse everything. The key is to have a separate device, code, query, feedback, and gateway for each channel.

Yes, it's a giant PITA, but if someone has a better way, I'm all ears.

Enjoy,
Clam

PS. I also kept a unique DirecTV device and gateway for the current channel query, that way my regular remote control page can query the current channel without affecting any of the channel specific queries on the NFL page.
post #7341 of 8399
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

Re setting up a NFL Sunday Ticket Page with program info:
I never heard back from the guys at Waltz Remote but after further digging it looks like they use scripts/JSON/AJAX to get their program info from the DirecTV guide on the website, parse it and put it into a layout on a web page.
I wasn't sure how that would work in the iRule environment, so I went back and looked more carefully at what SeldomSeen31 had done previously (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1351981/irule/7230#post_22603300) since it looked like he got soooo close...and late last night I got an NFL Sunday Ticket page with program info to work. Here's a quick layout and proof of concept (I'll finish up the page layout later tonight):

As I said, SeldomSeen31 was very close. For each channel number that you want to display program info for, for example 704, you need:
1) A unique DirecTV HTTP Remote Device in the builder (ie. DirecTV704)
2) A unique Channel Info Query Network Code in that Device that references the channel (ie. tv/getProgInfo?major=704)
3) A unique Entrance in the Panel that executes that Channel Info Query (fyi, I use repeat every 10 secs)
4) A unique Feedback in the builder that references that DirecTV704 Device in the feedback properties
5) Place the Title Feedback Code for that unique Feedback in the page
6) Save
7) Sync your iPad
8) Go to Panel, Gateway, add a new HTTP Gateway, add the DirecTV704 device and your IP address etc
9) and that's it. smile.gif
The problem before was that if you had multiple query's on the same device and feedback, the latest query would apply to all feedbacks on that device and confuse everything. The key is to have a separate device, code, query, feedback, and gateway for each channel.
Yes, it's a giant PITA, but if someone has a better way, I'm all ears.
Enjoy,
Clam
PS. I also kept a unique DirecTV device and gateway for the current channel query, that way my regular remote control page can query the current channel without affecting any of the channel specific queries on the NFL page.


So you got this to work and not bog the whole thing down? Maybe I gave up too soon as you did exactly what I did, unless I'm missing something.. Hmm, now I'm mad that I deleted all those devices I created. Let me know once have all the devices created and it actually works for more than a minute or 2.

IMO this is kind of the Holy Grail for a touchscreen remote. Being able to see what is on a number of channels and be able to tune to those channels without having to look at the TV screen. So many great applications and especially nice for the professional installation. How many times have people been in a sports bar and asked for a specific game to be put on a TV and some poor dude walks around with a remote acting confused and then screws up 7 other TVs before he finally gets it.

My worry with this method is with 10-20 feedbacks being sent and received almost constantly that commands will be lost or stacked and backlogged and eventually the whole thing will collapse like I experienced the first time around.

With the 18 channels you have on this page and if you set the repeat to every 10 seconds you could get in trouble fast. I was thinking that if you put a 3-5 second delay between each command and then set the entrance to repeat every 2 minutes that it might work.
Edited by SeldomSeen31 - 11/28/12 at 8:40am
post #7342 of 8399
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

So you got this to work and not bog the whole thing down? Maybe I gave up too soon as you did exactly what I did, unless I'm missing something.. Hmm, now I'm mad that I deleted all those devices I created. Let me know once have all the devices created and it actually works for more than a minute or 2.
IMO this is kind of the Holy Grail for a touchscreen remote. Being able to see what is on a number of channels and be able to tune to those channels without having to look at the TV screen. So many great applications and especially nice for the professional installation. How many times have people been in a sports bar and asked for a specific game to be put on a TV and some poor dude walks around with a remote acting confused and then screws up 7 other TVs before he finally gets it.
My worry with this method is with 10-20 feedbacks being sent and received almost constantly that commands will be lost or stacked and backlogged and eventually the whole thing will collapse like I experienced the first time around.
With the 18 channels you have on this page and if you set the repeat to every 10 seconds you could get in trouble fast. I was thinking that if you put a 3-5 second delay between each command and then set the entrance to repeat every 2 minutes that it might work.

I'll check it out tonight once I program all 18. If I had to guess, I bet the stacking issue won't be a problem since each query goes to a separate device vs multiple queries going to 1 device...but we'll see.

Regarding your original setup issues, did you also setup a separate feedback for each device? That's critical. Ie, on the feedback tab, I copied the DirecTV HTTP-iRule feedback and pasted it and renamed it DirecTV704 HTTP i-Rule feedback, and in the properties box set the device to Directv704 that I had created earlier under devices.
Clam
post #7343 of 8399
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

I'll check it out tonight once I program all 18. If I had to guess, I bet the stacking issue won't be a problem since each query goes to a separate device vs multiple queries going to 1 device...but we'll see.
Regarding your original setup issues, did you also setup a separate feedback for each device? That's critical. Ie, on the feedback tab, I copied the DirecTV HTTP-iRule feedback and pasted it and renamed it DirecTV704 HTTP i-Rule feedback, and in the properties box set the device to Directv704 that I had created earlier under devices.
Clam

Yep, I set it up just as you did. The delay between each feedback command and the repeating is where we differed.

I thought that having multiple devices all assigned to the same directv box IP address was the problem and that figuring a way to do this with 1 device and 1 feedback was the way to get it working. It certainly would be easier to implement for a normal person.
post #7344 of 8399
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

Yep, I set it up just as you did. The delay between each feedback command and the repeating is where we differed.
I thought that having multiple devices all assigned to the same directv box IP address was the problem and that figuring a way to do this with 1 device and 1 feedback was the way to get it working. It certainly would be easier to implement for a normal person.

Yea, if there was a way to query multiple channels on 1 device and assign the feedbacks specifically to the channel query, that would be ideal.

In your original setup, did you have 1 entrance with multiple channel queries set with delays... or multiple entrances?
post #7345 of 8399
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

Yea, if there was a way to query multiple channels on 1 device and assign the feedbacks specifically to the channel query, that would be ideal.
In your original setup, did you have 1 entrance with multiple channel queries set with delays... or multiple entrances?

1 entrance with multiple queries with a delay in between each of 10 seconds and set to repeat every 2 minutes is what I did.

I wasn't aware that you could have more than 1 entrance.

I'm thinking that a single device could be done. I am not sure how edit the syntax or if it is even possible, but irule displays the text after a certain indicator. If you could tell it to display what comes after a given channel # and edit out the rest of the gunk and just display the "title" returned after it sees channel 704 then you'd just need a title feedback for each channel number. That would be the simplest method and I'd be happy to guinea pig it and set it all up if I could be sure how to edit the feedback commands to do that.
post #7346 of 8399
Glad to see you guys are using my Football Sunday graphic. Let me know if you need any more created.
post #7347 of 8399
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Originally Posted by politby View Post

I also have both a 7.0 and 10.1. I found the 7" pretty much an ideal form factor for iRule. The 10.1 is just too large and unwieldy IMO. Besides I don't think you need any more buttons on a daily use remote than will comfortably fit on a 7". Many of the shared designs seem to be of the "let's see how many buttons we can cram into this screen" variety but I prefer a more simple design. I posted my layout earlier in the thread.
The Tab2 7.0 works great. The only problems I have is that it will not vibrate on tap and wake on LAN does not work.
Although you must have large hands if you can operate the 7" one handed smile.gif

I agree on the "cram as much button into the screen" comment.
I on the other hand have an ipad, so I am looking for "bigger" icon. Currently, it is quite hard to press some of the buttons. Is there any sets that is like 2x bigger (more like the size of the volume button) than what current stock button does?
post #7348 of 8399
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I agree on the "cram as much button into the screen" comment.
I on the other hand have an ipad, so I am looking for "bigger" icon. Currently, it is quite hard to press some of the buttons. Is there any sets that is like 2x bigger (more like the size of the volume button) than what current stock button does?

If you are using an Apple device, try using the retina buttons. They will appear larger on a non-retina handset.
post #7349 of 8399
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Originally Posted by mikenike88 View Post

If you are using an Apple device, try using the retina buttons. They will appear larger on a non-retina handset.

Oh OK. Thanks! Yes, I had the ipad2, so it is not retina.
post #7350 of 8399
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

1 entrance with multiple queries with a delay in between each of 10 seconds and set to repeat every 2 minutes is what I did.
I wasn't aware that you could have more than 1 entrance.
I'm thinking that a single device could be done. I am not sure how edit the syntax or if it is even possible, but irule displays the text after a certain indicator. If you could tell it to display what comes after a given channel # and edit out the rest of the gunk and just display the "title" returned after it sees channel 704 then you'd just need a title feedback for each channel number. That would be the simplest method and I'd be happy to guinea pig it and set it all up if I could be sure how to edit the feedback commands to do that.

I added a DirecTV Sunday Ticket button to my shared Image Library if you guys are interested.
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