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post #7471 of 9744
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Originally Posted by jamesaevans View Post

I'm just starting to look at a couple of options and would like to understand if I would be able to control my Pioneer Plasma (KRP-500M) and Denon Amp (3808) using IP as both have a web interface?
If this is possible would someone be able to point me towards the steps required to get this working in iRule?
Thanks
James

James,

Your TV seems to be of the same vintage as my PDP-5020FD. I have made several posts about my quest for IP control which may or may not help you out: I did not get it working yet, but have not been trying very hard. Anyway, you can search for my username and "PDP-5020FD" to see the posts.

Mark
post #7472 of 9744
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Originally Posted by TheYoshi View Post

Something's weird here. I control my 4311 with IP and am able to control zone 2 just fine, in fact if I wanted I could easily control ever zone it supports (up to 4) just fine via IP. This isn't a function of iRule, this is a function of whether or not the codes exist (which they do, and iRule has them all ready for you).
I would highly recommend using IP or RS232 for control over IR whenever possible. It opens up the door for feedbacks, is more reliable, etc.

I don't think I explained my situation accurately, so allow me clarify. With certain Denon receivers, you can change the remote control ID on both the receiver and the remote from the default (ID 1), effectively changing the IR codes for the device. This capability is offered, so that if you have multiple Denon receivers and a common IR distribution system (like I do), they can be controlled separately via IR. My question is if this capability exists with IP and RS-232 control?

with IP control, I would think the commands are sent to the receiver based on the IP address, so that a command sent to one receiver via IP (to its specific IP address) would not be sent to the other receiver via IP. Is that accurate?

For RS-232, is there some sort of address built into the device to prevent a command sent to one receiver via RS-232 from being received by the other receiver via RS-232?

Thanks.

Mark
post #7473 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I don't think I explained my situation accurately, so allow me clarify. With certain Denon receivers, you can change the remote control ID on both the receiver and the remote from the default (ID 1), effectively changing the IR codes for the device. This capability is offered, so that if you have multiple Denon receivers and a common IR distribution system (like I do), they can be controlled separately via IR. My question is if this capability exists with IP and RS-232 control?
with IP control, I would think the commands are sent to the receiver based on the IP address, so that a command sent to one receiver via IP (to its specific IP address) would not be sent to the other receiver via IP. Is that accurate?
For RS-232, is there some sort of address built into the device to prevent a command sent to one receiver via RS-232 from being received by the other receiver via RS-232?
Thanks.
Mark
Yes, IP codes are sent via a gateway that specifies the IP address and port of the device to be controlled. Only that unit will respond to the codes. You can set up multiples of the same type of unit and control just the one you want.
post #7474 of 9744
Can we no longer drag images out of the builder onto the computer while browsing image libraries?
post #7475 of 9744
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Originally Posted by cheezit73 View Post

Can we no longer drag images out of the builder onto the computer while browsing image libraries?
It seems to be dependent on the OS platform and browser... Some work and some do not. Any particular button(s) you're looking for?

SC
post #7476 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

For RS-232, is there some sort of address built into the device to prevent a command sent to one receiver via RS-232 from being received by the other receiver via RS-232?
Steve answered the IP part of your question, so I'll take the RS-232 portion.

RS-232 is a end-to-end interface, so exactly two devices communicating with each other over a single RS-232 interface. In the context of iRule, two RS-232 receivers would be connect to their own serial interface. Those two serial interfaces could be two different iTach gateways, in which case iRule communicates witch each device via a unique IP address. The two receivers could also be connected to the two RS-232 interfaces on a single GC-100-12, in which case iRule communicates with each individually via a single IP address, but via separate TCP ports (though iRule handles that for you when you select serial port 1 or 2.

SC
post #7477 of 9744
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

It seems to be dependent on the OS platform and browser... Some work and some do not. Any particular button(s) you're looking for?
SC
Thanks for the reply....no biggie was just going to grab the blank metal source button and rotate it vertically but I found one I had previously downloaded.. weird thing is I am using chrome on win 7 which is what I have always used with irule had had no problem grabbing the icons. Thanks again
post #7478 of 9744
Oppo 103 network codes are now listed on the Oppo website. Does anyone know what port to use with the Oppo for a gateway for IP control?

Willie
post #7479 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

Oppo 103 network codes are now listed on the Oppo website. Does anyone know what port to use with the Oppo for a gateway for IP control?
Willie

What timing, I'm just setting up IP control for my BDP-93 and had the same question. There was an OPPO BDP-xx RS232 device shared already so I'm hoping someone has already figured it out.
Clam
post #7480 of 9744
Jim,

No IP control for the 93 I'm afraid, you'll have to use RS232. I've used Mani's codes including the Verbose Mode to turn on track elapsed time feedback which seems to be working OK. My latest problem is that I can't get Audio Mode feedback to work ???

Cheers,
post #7481 of 9744
I'm also having no luck with feedback from my Epson projector. Anyone have any ideas ?

Cheers,
post #7482 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

Jim,
No IP control for the 93 I'm afraid, you'll have to use RS232. I've used Mani's codes including the Verbose Mode to turn on track elapsed time feedback which seems to be working OK. My latest problem is that I can't get Audio Mode feedback to work ???
Cheers,

Hi Peter.
I'm using the new iOS app to control the 93 over IP so I assumed I would be able to do the same using iRule, no?
post #7483 of 9744
Jim,

Sorry, you've got me there ... what iOS app ?

Cheers,
post #7484 of 9744
OK ... just checked the app store and there it is ! When was it released ? I need to pay more attention !

IP control must have been enabled with a recent firmware update, as I'm sure I'd read that it was only RS232. I'd also assume that the app means iRule IP control is possible.

Cheers,
post #7485 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

OK ... just checked the app store and there it is ! When was it released ? I need to pay more attention !
IP control must have been enabled with a recent firmware update, as I'm sure I'd read that it was only RS232. I'd also assume that the app means iRule IP control is possible.
Cheers,

I think the only thing we need is a port number...I sent an email to OPPO Support and will relay if I hear anything.

PS here's the link for the iOS app https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/oppo-remote/id584701552?mt=8
Edited by Jim Clamage - 12/18/12 at 5:02am
post #7486 of 9744
App store shows it was only released on Dec 14. Oppo's support page lists the app, and the RS232 control protocol but no IP control protocol.

I believe that IP and RS232 commands are often the same code. I guess we need to test it.

Cheers,
post #7487 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

Oppo 103 network codes are now listed on the Oppo website. Does anyone know what port to use with the Oppo for a gateway for IP control?
Willie

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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

What timing, I'm just setting up IP control for my BDP-93 and had the same question. There was an OPPO BDP-xx RS232 device shared already so I'm hoping someone has already figured it out.
Clam

According to a post on Roomie, the port for Oppo is 19999 http://www.roomieremote.com/forums/topic/oppo-103-ip-control-2/ They were able to get Roomie to discover a BDP 103.

For my 93, I tried a Network gateway with my IP address and port 19999 and couldn't get a connection. I went into my router and port forwarded 19999, tried again and still no joy. Tried an HTTP gateway, got a connection but no response to the command set from device Oppo Digital BDP-xx RS232 in the library.

Its midnight, I'm done for today...if anyone else has any luck, let me know.
Clam
post #7488 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

I believe that IP and RS232 commands are often the same code.

I beleive that they are as well, however if it is http iRule uses slightly different syntax (I think). I sent an email to Oppo support for this as well. Maybe we will get some traction.

I am off work for few days starting this afternoon. I will start testing using port 19999.

Thanks!
post #7489 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

I beleive that they are as well, however if it is http iRule uses slightly different syntax (I think). I sent an email to Oppo support for this as well. Maybe we will get some traction.
I am off work for few days starting this afternoon. I will start testing using port 19999.
Thanks!

Looking forward to hearing about the results of your testing...

I also found this in the iRule support center: http://support.iruleathome.com/customer/portal/questions/565274-oppo-bdp95-ip-control

They did a port scan on their OPPO 95 and found 13000 and 48360...maybe try those in case 19999 doesn't work.
post #7490 of 9744
Oppo support e-mailed port 81. I'll try later this pm.
post #7491 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

Oppo support e-mailed port 81. I'll try later this pm.

FYI, support just emailed me as well with port 81 for the 93...but then they sent me a followup/correction that "the initial handshake is done on UDP port 7624, and then the player will communicate the port it wants to use for future communications."

Perhaps this won't be as easy as we thought...I'm exchanging further emails with support now to get some clarification.
post #7492 of 9744
I just received the second email as well.
post #7493 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

I just received the second email as well.

Oppo support just emailed back again: "The players may use a different UDP port than the controller initially if there are conflicts on the network or communication roadblocks."

I'm now officially beyond my ability to make sense of this. Perhaps someone at iRule support can contact Oppo support directly and let us know the answer?


Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

Thanks,
JClam
post #7494 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Steve Goff View Post

Yes, IP codes are sent via a gateway that specifies the IP address and port of the device to be controlled. Only that unit will respond to the codes. You can set up multiples of the same type of unit and control just the one you want.

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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Steve answered the IP part of your question, so I'll take the RS-232 portion.
RS-232 is a end-to-end interface, so exactly two devices communicating with each other over a single RS-232 interface. In the context of iRule, two RS-232 receivers would be connect to their own serial interface. Those two serial interfaces could be two different iTach gateways, in which case iRule communicates witch each device via a unique IP address. The two receivers could also be connected to the two RS-232 interfaces on a single GC-100-12, in which case iRule communicates with each individually via a single IP address, but via separate TCP ports (though iRule handles that for you when you select serial port 1 or 2.
SC

Thanks guys. That means there are two less remotes I have to learn IR codes for, which is cool.

Mark
post #7495 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

Oppo support just emailed back again: "The players may use a different UDP port than the controller initially if there are conflicts on the network or communication roadblocks."
I'm now officially beyond my ability to make sense of this. Perhaps someone at iRule support can contact Oppo support directly and let us know the answer?

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
Thanks,
JClam

We may be on our own on this one....Thanks to iRule support for trying:

DEC 18, 2012 03:33PM EST
iRule Support Support
Hi Jim,

I called Oppo today and asked them about the protocol for IP control. They said that they do not support IP protocol. I then told them they must have to if they are controlling it via their App. And in response I got that they only support RS232 documentation and cannot provide anything else.
post #7496 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Jim Clamage View Post

And in response I got that they only support RS232 documentation and cannot provide anything else.

I received a response similar to the one Oppo gave you earlier today:: "The player will always listen for port 7624. The application will then switch to the port the player desires (if different) automatically by programming the remote to switch the port based on the feedback it gets from the player. The remote has to do this anyways for the IP Address, so it should be able to do this for the port as well".

Clearly, "what have here is failure to communicate", or a lack of desire on the part of both parties. In either case, I will make an effort to elevate this issue to both companies executive leadership.

In the interim, as a work around I have set iRule to launch the Oppo app. Given the power of iRule, this is very limiting.

Willie
post #7497 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Thanks guys. That means there are two less remotes I have to learn IR codes for, which is cool.
Mark

Yeah, IP or RS232 is really the way to go, you also will add the ability to see the status of your AVR on the remote via feedbacks which is really nice, especially for zone 2 scenarios. IR is for dumb devices you mainly just turn on and off in my personal opinion smile.gif
post #7498 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

I received a response similar to the one Oppo gave you earlier today:: "The player will always listen for port 7624. The application will then switch to the port the player desires (if different) automatically by programming the remote to switch the port based on the feedback it gets from the player. The remote has to do this anyways for the IP Address, so it should be able to do this for the port as well".
Clearly, "what have here is failure to communicate", or a lack of desire on the part of both parties. In either case, I will make an effort to elevate this issue to both companies executive leadership.
In the interim, as a work around I have set iRule to launch the Oppo app. Given the power of iRule, this is very limiting.
Willie

Worked on this for a couple of very frustrating hours last night. Tried every port number mentioned above. I did get a green light on a network gateway with my IP address and ports 13000 and 48360, but no response from the BDP-93.

Maybe iRule support can work some magic with the Oppo guys to get this going.
Edited by Jim Clamage - 12/19/12 at 12:15pm
post #7499 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I am thinking about picking up one of those cheap GC 100-12 units so that I can use it in my HT rack for serial control of the projector and my Denon AVR. What does the newer firmware bring to the table?
Thanks.
Mark

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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Then it sounds like the unit has software release prior to 3.0 (see link below), which had the beacon feature and DHCP support. I guess the question is how to get it updated from Global Cache, as I think it may be a challenge to locate it on the network without a beacon feature and no automatic IP address assignment via DHCP. Maybe have to hook up a computer directly to set it up? Which is probably not a big deal.
Edit: Which seller did you purchase from? There are two on there now, and the seller "thetraveler1969" has multiple units.
Edit 2: I called GC support, and it costs $35 to upgrade the GC-100 models, and that includes return shipping. He said they just set up an RMA, and I could (theoretically) have the seller ship it directly to them, which would save me some money. I asked about setting up units prior to firmware 3.0 (no beacon or DHCP support), and he said they have a built-in static IP address and you connect a computer with a crossover cable. For me, I would want to have mine updated to simplify my life during setup. It would still end up being cheaper than an iTach IP2SL, and it would have two serial ports vice the one on the IP2SL. The single concurrent handset connection limitation is not an issue for my setup, as this would only be for the basement theater.
Mark
http://www.globalcache.com/files/docs/ReleaseNotes_GC-100v32.pdf

I mailed off the GC-100-12 to Global Cache' today to get the firmware update. By the way, the unit I purchased from ebay had three contact closure connectors, but only two of them were correct; the third one has three "houses" instead of two in the connector. Oddly, that is what he showed in the picture, so I can't say anything. However, I wonder what that other connector is for.

Mark
post #7500 of 9744
Hey guys I have a couple of questions. I have had my iRule setup in operation for 7 months now and really enjoying the control. I do have the iPhone 5 now and I thought since iRule Builder has the iPhone 5 handset option I would go ahead and update it so I could enjoy the extra real estate on my screen. I looked back in the thread and saw the copy and paste recommendation so I did just that. i set up the new iphone 5 1136 x 640 handset and copied and pasted the panels from my iPhone 4 handset. I was able to copy all of the pages but now I have midget buttons on my iPhone 5 handset:rolleyes: I am not the sharpest tac in the box so if you could tell me what I have done wrong I would appreciate it.

Also, while I have your ears I have my Oppo BD-93 set up with rs232 commands. I also have the feedback working as well. For some reason every now and then I can't get my commands to work. It looks like I am connected to the gateway when this happens, I end up resyncing the page and then it works. I am just wondering why I would loose connectivity.

any direction would be appreciated. Mark
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