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post #7561 of 9759
I just got an Ipad and I would like to automate it in my theater (in progress)

Does Irule work with Lutrons Spacer System?
post #7562 of 9759
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

I just made a handset for an old iPad I picked up. I've been playing with IP control of my Directv receivers until my gc-100s get here. Does anyone know why my drawers might not be working? it's weird like they are cut off and a part of the main pages? I can see the edge of the drawer but it's not functional.
Also can someone tell me how to get feedback to work on Directv?
Nicholas

Take a look at the iRule tutorial page under 'The Advanced Remote' for DirecTV control and feedback and see if that helps...

jidelite
post #7563 of 9759
Are there programmers or people on the internet who would program or set up and build templates for you for irule?

Looking at irule trial version program im quite disappointed at the predefined templates, although im just using a trial version, I dont know if its different with the paid version.

Portrait mode also offers nothing in the way of a template.

The last remote i programmed was a nevo, and it was not that hard, when you imported a device a template was produced with it and then you could customize it, but at least it had a starting point.

Irule seems overwhelming due to lack of predefined templates. Plus I would basically have to create two pages for every device, in portrait and ladscape.
post #7564 of 9759
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Originally Posted by mickelin View Post

Yes, if you use EventGhost with the TellstickDuo plugin and the Broadcaster plugin you can. Works great!

Hi, what device do I choose in irule builder?
post #7565 of 9759
Hi Murilo,

I'm wondering about a couple of things you wrote if you wouldn't mind indulging me.

First, what is it about the iRule templates that disappoints you? Something besides orientation?

Second, I'm wondering why you referred to "lack of predefined templates". When you create a handset, iRule basically creates a set of pages for all but the most obscure activities, with template devices that can be swapped for the actual controlled devices, and you should have a basic, working remote, ready for customization in under half an hour - even your first time out, very much giving you that "starting point" you mentioned.

Last, what's your thought process regarding duplicating your remote in both orientations? For years, we've used all our remote controls in a single orientation, and almost universally "touch panels" in one orientation. Games often run only in a single orientation, and even many built-in apps on both iOS and Android only run in one orientation. I've heard the "I need it in both orientations" idea before, so you're not the first, but I'm just curious to hear a little more on what benefit you feel is offered by having a remote control in both orientations.

Very curious to hear more about what you're thinking on these things.

Thanks!

SC
post #7566 of 9759
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Does Irule work with Lutrons Spacer System?
Absolutely.

SC
post #7567 of 9759
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Does anyone know why my drawers might not be working? it's weird like they are cut off and a part of the main pages? I can see the edge of the drawer but it's not functional.
Have you set the "pinned" property to "no"? Have you set the percentage property so the drawer opens (or is open) to the correct limit? Have you put the content in the correct place on drawer's source page, i.e. buttons on left side of page for a drawer that opens from the right?

SC
post #7568 of 9759
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Hi Murilo,
I'm wondering about a couple of things you wrote if you wouldn't mind indulging me.
First, what is it about the iRule templates that disappoints you? Something besides orientation?
Second, I'm wondering why you referred to "lack of predefined templates". When you create a handset, iRule basically creates a set of pages for all but the most obscure activities, with template devices that can be swapped for the actual controlled devices, and you should have a basic, working remote, ready for customization in under half an hour - even your first time out, very much giving you that "starting point" you mentioned.
Last, what's your thought process regarding duplicating your remote in both orientations? For years, we've used all our remote controls in a single orientation, and almost universally "touch panels" in one orientation. Games often run only in a single orientation, and even many built-in apps on both iOS and Android only run in one orientation. I've heard the "I need it in both orientations" idea before, so you're not the first, but I'm just curious to hear a little more on what benefit you feel is offered by having a remote control in both orientations.
Very curious to hear more about what you're thinking on these things.
Thanks!
SC

Im not sure if your familiar with nevo software so I am comparing it against that.

I was disappointed you get 1 predefined template for each activity, in the most non malicious way I felt irule creators were a bit lazy compared to nevo with what is provided. The dvr template did not even have fast forward rewind that I could see. Not a big deal. But still with nevo for each activity or device pages there was many different template styles to choose from. Not just 1. I also liked on my nevo as soon as you imported a device, a template page was automatically created for the device with all the buttons, you didnt need to copy and replace individual buttons like it shows in the irule tutorial, and you also had different template options predefined for each device. So basically in my nevo, if I import a denon receiver, it imported buttons like the irule, but also created a page automatically with full buttons and different layouts for the denon avr. Irule seems less robust and not as well thought out in that regard unless im missing something or wrong about this. Again im extremely new.

Also for orientation do you mean why I need to create a page for when i turn my ipad?

Again not having used irule you will need to correct me, but if i am using my ipad mini horizontally (i assume this means landscape mode), but decide to switch to 1 hand since its more comfortable and turn it vertically, what will happen? I assume portrait pages need to be created so when you turn the device it displays something. I dont know what happens or if i am wrong on this. And if to do that you need portrait pages, again I have no template options for the ipad mini for portrait mode. Also being a nevo owner i had a nice dock, if I want a dock for my ipad mini to sit and charge on its gonna need to sit vertically. And I was hoping i could navigate from the dock as well so I did not even have to hold it to control it.
post #7569 of 9759
A few other questions, is there anywhere people upload there irule build files. In my days of nevo and pronto, people could upload there builds, it would be nice starting point to be able to use other peoples but I dont think that has happened?

Also for icons, one main one i cant even see is an AVR icon, does that mean I would to create one?
Edited by Murilo - 12/27/12 at 3:38am
post #7570 of 9759
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Im not sure if your familiar with nevo software so I am comparing it against that.
I was disappointed you get 1 predefined template for each activity, in the most non malicious way I felt irule creators were a bit lazy compared to nevo with what is provided. The dvr template did not even have fast forward rewind that I could see. Not a big deal. But still with nevo for each activity or device pages there was many different template styles to choose from. Not just 1. I also liked on my nevo as soon as you imported a device, a template page was automatically created for the device with all the buttons, you didnt need to copy and replace individual buttons like it shows in the irule tutorial, and you also had different template options predefined for each device. So basically in my nevo, if I import a denon receiver, it imported buttons like the irule, but also created a page automatically with full buttons and different layouts for the denon avr. Irule seems less robust and not as well thought out in that regard unless im missing something or wrong about this. Again im extremely new.
Also for orientation do you mean why I need to create a page for when i turn my ipad?
Again not having used irule you will need to correct me, but if i am using my ipad mini horizontally (i assume this means landscape mode), but decide to switch to 1 hand since its more comfortable and turn it vertically, what will happen? I assume portrait pages need to be created so when you turn the device it displays something. I dont know what happens or if i am wrong on this. And if to do that you need portrait pages, again I have no template options for the ipad mini for portrait mode. Also being a nevo owner i had a nice dock, if I want a dock for my ipad mini to sit and charge on its gonna need to sit vertically. And I was hoping i could navigate from the dock as well so I did not even have to hold it to control it.
Templates in iRule are a starting point, an introduction into what iRule "could" look like. Unlike Nevo, iRule is designed to be infinitely customizable in any imaginable way by the programmer. iRule may not be for you. iRule takes some time to learn. iRule is for people with a passion for this kind of customization. It is definitely not a plug and play proposition. The default templates in iRule are, without a doubt, the smallest, most insignificant feature of the software. Of course, the customizability is one of its greatest features. This is not the case with Nevo.

Recently, I've spent several weeks building all of my portrait pages that equal my landscape pages. Seriously, about 40 hours worth. I am now reconsidering. It's cool watching it flip but is that why I'm doing it? At this point, I don't know. I could see your point with the iPad Mini but I only use an iPad.
post #7571 of 9759
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Absolutely.
SC

That is cool to hear Irule will work with the Lutron Spacer System. How does it work? I am completely lost since the Ipad doesn't send out an IR signal. Or does it?

I quickly went to the IRule web site...would I need something like this?


ITACH WF2IR

I could hide this wireless device in one of my columns and the IR signal can blast across the room (13ft) to the Lutron Spacer System
Edited by Larry M - 12/27/12 at 6:40am
post #7572 of 9759
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Originally Posted by mborner View Post

iRule takes some time to learn. iRule is for people with a passion for this kind of customization. It is definitely not a plug and play proposition . . . the customizability is one of its greatest features.

+1

I am in no way affiliated with iRule; I am however an iRule fanboy. I love the ability to design a layout, import my own graphics, and implement my own lack of taste and aesthetics. YMMV.
Edited by Willie - 12/27/12 at 8:21am
post #7573 of 9759
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

A few other questions, is there anywhere people upload there irule build files. In my days of nevo and pronto, people could upload there builds, it would be nice starting point to be able to use other peoples but I dont think that has happened?
Also for icons, one main one i cant even see is an AVR icon, does that mean I would to create one?

Have you looked at Roomie Remote? Wanting ready built templates, that product might be a better fit for you than iRule.
post #7574 of 9759
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Originally Posted by flopp View Post

Hi, what device do I choose in irule builder?

Just create a new device and add a bunch of Network Codes, one for each event you want EG to react to. The Data part of each code should be prefixed udp. Add a device and a gateway on the Handset for the HTPC and configure the Broadcaster plugin in EG. Then you should be good to go.
post #7575 of 9759
does anyone know the url for the zappiti app used for the dune media player? i tried launching it using zappiti:// but it does nothing.
post #7576 of 9759
New to iRule and need confirmation if this is possible. Most of the components I want to control are in the HT room although my FIOS DVR box is in a separate area about 13 feet away. Can I use a Pyramid IR extender to convert an IR signal in the HT room to RF and back to IR to control the FIOS DVR?
post #7577 of 9759
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Originally Posted by lewis View Post

New to iRule and need confirmation if this is possible. Most of the components I want to control are in the HT room although my FIOS DVR box is in a separate area about 13 feet away. Can I use a Pyramid IR extender to convert an IR signal in the HT room to RF and back to IR to control the FIOS DVR?

is IP control not an option? What brand/model is the "verizion fios DVR"?

If you can't use IP I'd just get another global cache unit for getting IR to the DVR.
post #7578 of 9759
For those of you messing with DTV channel feedbacks, I finally got around to setting mine up today and had a question, are you all using separate gateways in addition to separate devices?

That was the only way I could get things working and it seems like a lot of pointless work/configuration on the handset. I get the different devices (what I've taken to calling virtual devices) to create independent feedback buffers but I don't get why you should have to have multiple gateways as well. Just curious if everyone else is finding the same. When I set it up and tried to add all of the devices to one gateway I get the same result I would get if I had just one device.

I posted something about this on iRule's support portal as well, it seems a bit strange to me.

That said, it's working thanks to the hard work that Clam and SeldomSeen put into this, thanks guys!
post #7579 of 9759
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Originally Posted by TheYoshi View Post

is IP control not an option? What brand/model is the "verizion fios DVR"?
If you can't use IP I'd just get another global cache unit for getting IR to the DVR.

What would someone use to control a JVC projector RS45 and an IR controlled lighting? I don't have an outlet nearby.

Would iTach TCP/IP to IR (Infrared Control) With Power Over Ethernet work?
post #7580 of 9759
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Does anyone know why my drawers might not be working? it's weird like they are cut off and a part of the main pages? I can see the edge of the drawer but it's not functional.
Have you set the "pinned" property to "no"? Have you set the percentage property so the drawer opens (or is open) to the correct limit? Have you put the content in the correct place on drawer's source page, i.e. buttons on left side of page for a drawer that opens from the right?

SC

thank you this fixed my drawers not opening problem.

How do I add drawers to panels? i deleted some when they were not working and i need to add some. i have added some to the Drawers panel and added some in the actual activity panels but haven't been successful in adding drawers that show up and work.
post #7581 of 9759
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

What would someone use to control a JVC projector RS45 and an IR controlled lighting? I don't have an outlet nearby.
Would iTach TCP/IP to IR (Infrared Control) With Power Over Ethernet work?

Yes you could certainly use a POE iTach although a couple thoughts.

1. That projector supports IP control (and RS232 control) from what I can tell (iRule has a predefined device for IP/RS232 and I see it has both an ethernet jack and an RS232 port)

2. If you have a projector you have power there right? Can't you just split the projector's outlet? an iTach draws VERY little power

Given the above I'd do the following.

1. Just control via IP, if you're running POE for an iTach that means you should be able to just run regular ethernet to the projector and negate the need for an iTach.

IP control is actually the most simple setup you can have for iRule, you simply define your controls, your device and then set up the gateway. Why introduce iTachs unless absolutely necessary? Also if you're going to introduce an iTach I'd go with RS232 before IR for two way communication (feedbacks) and such.

Just my 0.02
post #7582 of 9759
Been working on my iRule setup recently. I rearranged my whole rack since I got a new Denon 4311 for the Theatre room, moved the theatre room AVR to be the front room AVR and moved the front room AVR to now be in control of the Bedroom. This obviously requires some iRule adjustments and can I just say that the replace features and drawers are a lifesaver! I am really liking the drawers as I created one for each of my AVR's volume controls and easily assigned them to each respective activity. Here are some pictures, I especially like my lighting drawer for the Theatre room.

Front Room DirecTv drawer closed:


Front Room DirecTv drawer opened:


Theatre Room HTPC drawers closed:


Theatre Room HTPC Audio drawer open:


Theatre Room HTPC Lights drawer open:


Back to work.....
post #7583 of 9759
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

thank you this fixed my drawers not opening problem.
How do I add drawers to panels? i deleted some when they were not working and i need to add some. i have added some to the Drawers panel and added some in the actual activity panels but haven't been successful in adding drawers that show up and work.

To add you simply go into the panel you want to add it to then click "more" on the right side (where Images, Devices, Feedbacks, etc. are). Drawers are found under widgets, just drag it where you want it.

Here's a screenshot of one of my drawers that is working just fine. To give you a baseline.

post #7584 of 9759
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Originally Posted by cheezit73 View Post

Been working on my iRule setup recently. I rearranged my whole rack since I got a new Denon 4311 for the Theatre room, moved the theatre room AVR to be the front room AVR and moved the front room AVR to now be in control of the Bedroom. This obviously requires some iRule adjustments and can I just say that the replace features and drawers are a lifesaver! I am really liking the drawers as I created one for each of my AVR's volume controls and easily assigned them to each respective activity. Here are some pictures, I especially like my lighting drawer for the Theatre room.

Back to work.....

Looks awesome! What's this part in the image below for, are you getting some kind of meter out of the 4311 (I'm a 4311 guy as well so I'm interested)?

post #7585 of 9759
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Originally Posted by TheYoshi View Post

Looks awesome! What's this part in the image below for, are you getting some kind of meter out of the 4311 (I'm a 4311 guy as well so I'm interested)?

Thanks!

They are just quick volume presets. Prior to using drawers I had the labels over some silver buttons but I could not make it fit nicely within the constraints of the drawer. Still need to work on ideas for the buttons which is harder for me now that iRule does not let you pull images from the builder library any more. On another note did you get anywhere with Pandora art feedback from the 4311 to iRule?
post #7586 of 9759
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Originally Posted by cheezit73 View Post

Thanks!
They are just quick volume presets. Prior to using drawers I had the labels over some silver buttons but I could not make it fit nicely within the constraints of the drawer. Still need to work on ideas for the buttons which is harder for me now that iRule does not let you pull images from the builder library any more. On another note did you get anywhere with Pandora art feedback from the 4311 to iRule?

Ah, cool idea. So far no reply on the Pandora art. I will say the 4311 has a pretty horrible pandora implementation, lots of issues. Fantastic AVR otherwise though.
post #7587 of 9759
Question for anyone using an Onkyo x007 model AVR. Which "device" are you using(set of codes) and did you have to do anything special to get it to work? I downloaded the Onkyo ip codes and setup the Onkyo. set static ip in Onkyo, enabled net control and disabled dchp and I get nothing...... The directv receivers went to work right away?
thanks
Nicholas
post #7588 of 9759
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Question for anyone using an Onkyo x007 model AVR. Which "device" are you using(set of codes) and did you have to do anything special to get it to work? I downloaded the Onkyo ip codes and setup the Onkyo. set static ip in Onkyo, enabled net control and disabled dchp and I get nothing......
Did you create a Network Gateway with that static IP, and on port 60128?

SC
post #7589 of 9759
Newbie question. Got my basic setup in place, here it is.

Equipment:

Onkyo 709 controlled via network
Panasonic gt50 controlled via itach wireless to ir
Oppo bdp-103 controlled via itach wireless to ir
Cisco 8600 hd cable box controlled va itach wireless to ir
Apple TV on itach wireless as well
On the itach, just using the blaster.

I know I have good connectivity as on-off commands work. So here is the problem:

I have an entrance (single entrance with multiple power up and input commands) on my watch tv page. All of it seems to work with the exception of popping up the source page for the oppo, hitting the down pad button twice and hitting enter (which should select the hdmi back port on oppo). I have my video cable signal running through that port on oppo. I've tried various delay times but it always goes to the oppo home page and then the down pad commands just move it around.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,

BK
post #7590 of 9759
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Originally Posted by TheYoshi View Post

For those of you messing with DTV channel feedbacks, I finally got around to setting mine up today and had a question, are you all using separate gateways in addition to separate devices?
That was the only way I could get things working and it seems like a lot of pointless work/configuration on the handset. I get the different devices (what I've taken to calling virtual devices) to create independent feedback buffers but I don't get why you should have to have multiple gateways as well. Just curious if everyone else is finding the same. When I set it up and tried to add all of the devices to one gateway I get the same result I would get if I had just one device.

Can you create a different feedback item for each channel, rather than using the same one. If each feedback item only matches one channel (assuming the channel number is returned as part of the feedback), then they'll be kept separate.
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