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post #7891 of 8405
1/16/13 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

For those doing lots of channel feedbacks, how could i apply those to more than one HTTP device?

IOW when i try to assign the channels only device in the Gateways tab of irule handset it shows "in use" why cant you assign one device to multiple gateways? The gateway shouldnt care how many are connecting right? There is no way im doing all that work over to get channels on every directv receiver thats rediculous!

Solved this problem on my own.

To get the feedbacks to work in multiple panels without re-doing all the feedbacks, do this:

- Set the feedbacks and associated device(s) to "shared" in their properties box at the bottom left.
- Assign the associated device to one gateway on one handset since irule won't allow to assign to multiple.

Thats it the feedbacks now work in two of my seperate panels concurrently. IOW the same feedback is put into multiple panels and works without being duplicated, all you have to do is set it to shared.
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post #7892 of 8405
1/16/13 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Jus
Just bcos it had an IP address does not necessarily mean it can be controlled via IP. In fact, I think only the last 2 yr JVC model had ip control. The port is 20554.

Well it is in the Device database at iRul and all it has is network codes for it (No IR codes or RS-232 codes), so I presume that the team at iRule are controlling it via IP.

And SC says otherwise.
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

RS20i... Sweet. OK, the RS20i is controllable via IP. I need to confirm that, but you shouldn't need any gateway at all for the processor.
SC

Edited by JapanDave - 1/16/13 at 6:26am
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post #7893 of 8405
1/16/13 at 6:27am
Anyone here control their lighting with iRule?

I'm just curious how that actually works. My basement has 2 sets of dimmer light switches to control the recessed lighting. 1 is at the top of the steps, and 1 is at the bottom of the steps.

Just curious what all would be needed in order to get the lights to be controlled by something like iRule.
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post #7894 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone here control their lighting with iRule?

I'm just curious how that actually works. My basement has 2 sets of dimmer light switches to control the recessed lighting. 1 is at the top of the steps, and 1 is at the bottom of the steps.

Just curious what all would be needed in order to get the lights to be controlled by something like iRule.

I'm able to control my Z-wave lighting with iRule using IP control, but I'm sure there are better methods out there. I have to use Homeseer and a USB Z-wave controller. iRule sends an IP signal to the server running Homeseer which sees that as a trigger to send a lighting command via the Z-wave controller. Different IP signals trigger the different lighting commands. With my regular remote I have a USB-UIRT receiving an IR trigger from the remote and then Homeseer triggers the Z-wave. The problem here is having to use Homeseer (and having a computer running it if you don't already have a PC/server/HTPC on 24/7).

I'd suggest starting the trial of iRuleBuilder and under devices search under lighting for the type. Then look at all the options and see what fits your need. It would be easier starting with a known working solution rather than trying to shoehorn in something else.
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post #7895 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone here control their lighting with iRule?

I'm just curious how that actually works. My basement has 2 sets of dimmer light switches to control the recessed lighting. 1 is at the top of the steps, and 1 is at the bottom of the steps.

Just curious what all would be needed in order to get the lights to be controlled by something like iRule.

I'm controlling my Lutron IR lighting control with ir emitter(s) from my Global Cache unit.

You just have to run and mount the emitters to the device.
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post #7896 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:45am
Anyone have any experience with Insteon Smartlinc and their dimmer switches?

From the brief research I've done, it looks like you can get the SmartLinc controller...

http://www.amazon.com/Smarthome-2412N-SmartLinc-INSTEON-Controller/dp/B003IHTZCG/ref=pd_cp_hi_0

And then just get some of the dimmer switches...

http://www.amazon.com/Smarthome-2477D-SwitchLinc-INSTEON-Dual-Band/dp/B003ZTVZ0W/ref=pd_cp_hi_2

And then you can control them remotely, without having to run any IR sensors or anything.

Anyone have any experience with these?
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post #7897 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:58am
I have 3 of the dimmers and the Smartlinc. I just installed them Monday. I have set up scenes and can trigger "MOVIE", "GAME", "WORK" and "ALL ON" from the web browser of the smartlinc.

See my post from yesterday. But I have not had any luck triggering the scenes from irule yet.

I know it is possible but others here suggested doing the scenes manually by contollimg each dimmer with a macro, but that doesn't really seem like a good use of the smartlinc product.

I could also launch the android app from irule but that is a less.than satisfactory solution too.

I am hoping some one here or in the irule support portal can help me get this figured out.
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post #7898 of 8405
1/16/13 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

Well it is in the Device database at iRul and all it has is network codes for it (No IR codes or RS-232 codes), so I presume that the team at iRule are controlling it via IP.
Hi Dave,

Indeed the Datasat processors are IP-controllable. You'll need to create a Network Gateway with the RS20i's IP address, and you'll want to use port 14500.

SC
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post #7899 of 8405
1/16/13 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

I have 3 of the dimmers and the Smartlinc. I just installed them Monday. I have set up scenes and can trigger "MOVIE", "GAME", "WORK" and "ALL ON" from the web browser of the smartlinc.

See my post from yesterday. But I have not had any luck triggering the scenes from irule yet.

I know it is possible but others here suggested doing the scenes manually by contollimg each dimmer with a macro, but that doesn't really seem like a good use of the smartlinc product.

I could also launch the android app from irule but that is a less.than satisfactory solution too.

I am hoping some one here or in the irule support portal can help me get this figured out.

Ah okay cool thanks for the input. I mainly wanted to just be sure that I don't need any other hardware or wires running other than the 2 dimmer switches and the SmartLinc, and it sounds like that is the case smile.gif

I'm not sure yet if I'm going with RoomieRemote or iRule yet, but I know it works with RoomieRemote, and I'd assume there is some way to get it working with iRule.

Can you actually just adjust the dimmer switch from the web browser application? Like if you want to simply slide it brighter or darker, with a control from the web browser? Or is it more like it can only change from 1 of the pre-defined settings to another?
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post #7900 of 8405
1/16/13 at 9:34am
I am just getting started with how the smartlinc works. In the browser if I trigger the "all on" scene I can dim all the lights from there with a button on the web interface.

I am sure irule can do this, I just need to get it straightened out. In the builder there are irule provided devices for smartlinc scenes 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, etc. I just haven't got it working yet.
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post #7901 of 8405
1/16/13 at 10:39am
SeldomSeen31,
I will try to create scenes to see what I come up with now that I have feedback working for my devices but the best tool I have found for debugging Insteon is Docklight Scripting tool (if you haven't tried it yet).

purbeast,
For dimming/brighting my lights I have one button for each that issues an Insteon command to do this incrementally. However, I understand iRule is coming out with an Insteon module (no date yet) that will allow you to use a slider so I may switch to that when it comes out.

Only using 2 devices right now (SwitchLinc (controlling a couple of can lights) & LampLinc (for ropelight) dimmers) but all devices are setup under my Network gateway and not HTTP.

jidelite
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post #7902 of 8405
1/16/13 at 10:43am
Okay thanks for the info. Another quick question about the Insteon dimmer switches - is there a physical slider on it to dim/brighten the lights? Like if you want to adjust it by hand, is it possible? Or do you HAVE to do it through some electronic method?

Just wondering and from the pictures I've seen, it does not look like there is any physical slider on it to change the brightness by hand.
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post #7903 of 8405
1/16/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Okay thanks for the info. Another quick question about the Insteon dimmer switches - is there a physical slider on it to dim/brighten the lights? Like if you want to adjust it by hand, is it possible? Or do you HAVE to do it through some electronic method?

Just wondering and from the pictures I've seen, it does not look like there is any physical slider on it to change the brightness by hand.

Nothing physical (like a Lutron spacer has). That would be nice...

jidelite
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post #7904 of 8405
1/16/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Okay thanks for the info. Another quick question about the Insteon dimmer switches - is there a physical slider on it to dim/brighten the lights? Like if you want to adjust it by hand, is it possible? Or do you HAVE to do it through some electronic method?

Just wondering and from the pictures I've seen, it does not look like there is any physical slider on it to change the brightness by hand.

It is my understanding that the irule developers are working on a module similar to what they have for Lutron for insteon. This would include slides.
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post #7905 of 8405
1/16/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by jidelite View Post

Nothing physical (like a Lutron spacer has). That would be nice...

jidelite

Okay, but it does have a physical on/off switch on it right? At least it looks like it from the pics. If it does, does it just turn on at the last brightness you had it set to?
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post #7906 of 8405
1/16/13 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Okay, but it does have a physical on/off switch on it right? At least it looks like it from the pics. If it does, does it just turn on at the last brightness you had it set to?

Take a look at the manual page 6 under "Local Control":
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/2477d.pdf

Tapping top or bottom of panel is on or off (ramped)
Press and hold top or bottom is brighten or dim
Double-tap top or bottom is instant on or off

Hope that helps as far as defining the manual control.
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post #7907 of 8405
1/16/13 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by drunkwithpower View Post

Take a look at the manual page 6 under "Local Control":
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/2477d.pdf

Tapping top or bottom of panel is on or off (ramped)
Press and hold top or bottom is brighten or dim
Double-tap top or bottom is instant on or off

Hope that helps as far as defining the manual control.

Ah okay thank you, that does help a lot actually! I just wanted to be able to have the option to manually change the lights brightness/on/off from the physical switch, and it looks like you can!

Going to check tonight to verify if I have the neutral wire or not in my current dimmer jacks before I place my order.
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post #7908 of 8405
1/16/13 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Jus
Just bcos it had an IP address does not necessarily mean it can be controlled via IP. In fact, I think only the last 2 yr JVC model had ip control. The port is 20554.
This is not a projector but an audio processor made by Datasat Digital.
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post #7909 of 8405
1/16/13 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Goff View Post

This is not a projector but an audio processor made by Datasat Digital.
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Hi Dave,

Indeed the Datasat processors are IP-controllable. You'll need to create a Network Gateway with the RS20i's IP address, and you'll want to use port 14500.

SC
I am linked in, got all devices working via IR so far and the DataSat via IP.

All I can say is that any of these setup issues I had were due to me. Looking back at it all, it is relatively a simple process. But, I can tell you I know a lot more about IP's now. So much so I was able to assign my DataSat receiver a static address, where as before I had no chance of doing something like that.

So Thanks so much for the help to those who took the time to aid me. smile.gif

I am going to move onto the RS-232 control for the Oppo so I can get feedback and I am guessing I will need assistance again.

Dave
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post #7910 of 8405
1/16/13 at 5:29pm
Another silly question....

How do I move (or copy) a remote code from one device to another? My Onkyo AVR works with pretty much all the codes from the one preset device but that one does NOT have a MUTE option. The MUTE that is found on another Onkyo device set works but some of the others do not so I chose the former. So instead of having both devices selected, is there any way to copy/paste the MUTE code from the one device to the other?
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post #7911 of 8405
1/16/13 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post


I am linked in, got all devices working via IR so far and the DataSat via IP.

All I can say is that any of these setup issues I had were due to me. Looking back at it all, it is relatively a simple process. But, I can tell you I know a lot more about IP's now. So much so I was able to assign my DataSat receiver a static address, where as before I had no chance of doing something like that.

So Thanks so much for the help to those who took the time to aid me. smile.gif

I am going to move onto the RS-232 control for the Oppo so I can get feedback and I am guessing I will need assistance again.

Dave
We've all been beginners at some point. I'm glad things are working out for you.
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post #7912 of 8405
1/16/13 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Goff View Post

This is not a projector but an audio processor made by Datasat Digital.
My bad. When I see JVC RS, I thought it is the PJ. Glad things are working out for japandave now!
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post #7913 of 8405
1/16/13 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Another silly question....

How do I move (or copy) a remote code from one device to another? My Onkyo AVR works with pretty much all the codes from the one preset device but that one does NOT have a MUTE option. The MUTE that is found on another Onkyo device set works but some of the others do not so I chose the former. So instead of having both devices selected, is there any way to copy/paste the MUTE code from the one device to the other?

Depends. Is it database or is it others?
If it is database, you cannot add to it as it is coming from irule directly. You might be able to ask irule to do something for you though.
If it is hex, then it is a simple cut and paste and add device code.
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post #7914 of 8405
1/16/13 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

Insteaon Smartlinc 2412N scene commands

I have created 3 scenes for my basement. I have 3 dimmers connected to 11 can lights in my basement.

I am trying to activate the scenes (numbered 1, 3, and 5 in the web-based controller for the smartlinc) via iRule. I can trigger them all via the web based interface. On, Off, dim and brighten commands all work exactly as expected there.

I'm having no luck via iRule. I have a network gateway with port 9761 as instructed elsewhere. I have imported the smartlinc scenes 1-20 device.

Command for scene 1 on looks like this: 3?0261011101=I=3

Gateway indicator is green, command indicator flashes green, no response on the lights.

I tried an HTTP gateway and got bizarre results, lights turning on and off repeatedly for several minutes until I exited the page.

I really have no use for controlling the lights individually by the switch ID. I would like to trigger the scenes I have created. Any help would be much appreciated.

SeldomSeen31, Ok, I setup a couple of scenes in the Smartlinc.smarthome web gui. Actually, Scene#1=my Ceiling lights, Scene#2=my Ropelight, & Scene#3=All Lights. My Gateway is setup as a Network and not a HTTP. I took a look at the iRule sample Scenes and I'm not sure why iRule codes their scenes like 3?0261011101=I=3 - for your scene 1 ON try - \x02\x61\x01\x11\x01 in the data field. The one thing I noticed about scenes is that it doesn't give me the right feedback info now that I have each individual device setup with its own feedback. I will have to play with Docklight to see if I can get the proper dim % when using scene info.

jidelite
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post #7915 of 8405
1/16/13 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Another silly question....

How do I move (or copy) a remote code from one device to another? My Onkyo AVR works with pretty much all the codes from the one preset device but that one does NOT have a MUTE option. The MUTE that is found on another Onkyo device set works but some of the others do not so I chose the former. So instead of having both devices selected, is there any way to copy/paste the MUTE code from the one device to the other?

A bunch of us are using Onkyo... What device is it you're using that doesn't have a mute?!?!?

SC
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post #7916 of 8405
1/16/13 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

I am linked in, got all devices working via IR so far and the DataSat via IP.

All I can say is that any of these setup issues I had were due to me. Looking back at it all, it is relatively a simple process. But, I can tell you I know a lot more about IP's now. So much so I was able to assign my DataSat receiver a static address, where as before I had no chance of doing something like that.

So Thanks so much for the help to those who took the time to aid me. smile.gif

I am going to move onto the RS-232 control for the Oppo so I can get feedback and I am guessing I will need assistance again.

Outstanding! I love it when it all starts coming together. wink.gif

Networking stuff can be very frustrating if you're not into it. I've been fooling around with it casually for almost 20 years, and I still feel like I only know just enough to be really dangerous and still wish I knew more. Even many long-time AV professionals are having to learn a whole new skill-set, so don't feel bad. But, IP isn't going away any time soon; everything is going that way, eventually... So pat your self on the back for learning something new that you'll be using for years to come.

Do you have the feedback working on the Datasat?

SC
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post #7917 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Goff View Post

We've all been beginners at some point. I'm glad things are working out for you.

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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

My bad. When I see JVC RS, I thought it is the PJ. Glad things are working out for japandave now!

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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Outstanding! I love it when it all starts coming together. wink.gif

Networking stuff can be very frustrating if you're not into it. I've been fooling around with it casually for almost 20 years, and I still feel like I only know just enough to be really dangerous and still wish I knew more. Even many long-time AV professionals are having to learn a whole new skill-set, so don't feel bad. But, IP isn't going away any time soon; everything is going that way, eventually... So pat your self on the back for learning something new that you'll be using for years to come.

Do you have the feedback working on the Datasat?

SC
No, I did not know I could do that??? How would I go about doing that? Back to the iRule web page it is for me.smile.gif

Thanks again for the help guys.

On a different note, it is damm hard to get RS-232 cables here in Japan. No bricks and mortor store had one and I went 5 different country wide chain stores and one country wide franchize store that specializes in PC/Network/etc cableing to no avail. Found one on line , but still the choices are very limited.
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post #7918 of 8405
1/16/13 at 8:25pm
Just did the tutorial and I have feedback up and running , Thanks.

Dave
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post #7919 of 8405
1/17/13 at 3:02am
Can't seem to get RS-232 to work on the Oppo BDP-95, do I have to enable something on the Oppo itself?

BTW I Have it set to 9600, etc etc.

And all trhe links are green down the bottom of the iPad. And the green arrow flashed when a command is pressed.
Edited by JapanDave - 1/17/13 at 3:40am
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post #7920 of 8405
1/17/13 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by jidelite View Post

SeldomSeen31, Ok, I setup a couple of scenes in the Smartlinc.smarthome web gui. Actually, Scene#1=my Ceiling lights, Scene#2=my Ropelight, & Scene#3=All Lights. My Gateway is setup as a Network and not a HTTP. I took a look at the iRule sample Scenes and I'm not sure why iRule codes their scenes like 3?0261011101=I=3 - for your scene 1 ON try - \x02\x61\x01\x11\x01 in the data field. The one thing I noticed about scenes is that it doesn't give me the right feedback info now that I have each individual device setup with its own feedback. I will have to play with Docklight to see if I can get the proper dim % when using scene info.

jidelite

This worked like a charm for me, thanks so much.

Strange that the irule builder commands don't work properly. Googling the commands turned up some web discussions about them and those seem like they should work based on those. I didn't try sending them via a browser which was how they were being used by the people in some other forums. I did get some results when using them as an http gateway, so maybe that has something to do with it. It also could be in the builder as part of the insteon module that I hear is in the works.

Anyway, from what you have provided it is a simple matter to create the off command for scene 1: \x02\x61\x01\x13\x01

Then swapping out the 2 \x01 parts in the command to make commands for other scene. Scene 2 on \x02\x61\x02\x11\x02 Scene 2 off \x02\x61\x02\x13\x02

This may be helpful to others:

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