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Anybody with the 8801 using iRule IP style for commands? I can't get my 8801 to talk to iRule, but it will do the marantz remote app, so I know it works over IP. Thought it might be that Marantz remote app was hogging the 8801, but I closed it out and still no luck. Port 23?

The Marantz supports only one connection I believe, so as long as there are no other devices connected, it should work. Any chance you set up the gateway as HTTP instead of IP? Should be IP and yes, port 23.

SC

Anyone care to share a screenshot of their PS3 panel layout?

Here you go:


Edited by cheezit73 - 2/17/13 at 1:22pm

You nailed it. I had it as HTTP. Thanks a bunch.

Just when I thought mine was looking good! Lol!

Hey Guys, i purchased Irule a wile back and got some basic stuff setup but now i'm about ready to sit down and really get into it, just trying to figure out how to layout my design, i'll list all my equipment and locations/setup etc just looking for some input from people who have similar setups, do i build different panels per room or have all rooms accessible from the one main panel?

so we'll start with the equpment room since most equipment that i access from all the other rooms is located here,

i have a 8x8 gefen matrix switch, connected to the switch port 1- bell 9242 receiver port 2 bell 9242 receiver port 3 - directive HR24 port4-sonicview 8000 (FTA) port5-mac mini(XBMC) port6-AppleTV port 7- XBOX360 port 8 Onkyo AMP(TX-NR616) Outputs are Port1-46" samsung UN46D8000 (living room), Port2- output to Theatre Room AMP (Denon 4311CI), Port 3 Samsung 32" Un32E5300 (bedroom has IP control via wifi), port4 to pioneer avr 220 5.1 setup in bonus room, port5 32" samsung un32d4000 led in office, port6-32" samsung un32d4000 in garage, port7 Onlyo AMP TX-NR616 (CABLE/SAT input) same amp as the input, the reason for a input and output to the same device was since its a matrix switch i figured i could take input 1 output it to port7(onkyo AMP) then set the 46"tv(output1 to a input of port7 so i could have the audio running over the ceiling speakers in the living room for the 46" tv has anyone else tried anything like this before? and finally output 8 is a 23" 1080p monitor located in the equipment room for diagnostics, etc

so from this setup comes each room, the output 1 46" samsung in the living room is it just a TV above the fireplace, i can do ip control on the tv once its on with roomie remote i have yet to get the ip control working with rule, the only limitation is i can't power on the TV via ip. The 2nd room port 2 connects to a Denon 4311ci amp 7.1 speaker configuration,which is outputted to 2 devices a 65" panasonic VT30 and a Panasonic PT-AE7000 projector, the projector screen comes out of the ceiling in front of the 65" VT30
, other devices in this room hooked to the amp are as followed xbox360,ps3, wii, another Mac mini (XBMC), Oppo DBP-93. so this is my main theatre room, i use to use a pronto remote for this room and on the remote i had the main screen selectable for projector or tv as the main selection before you choose the activity, so this is back to the same question again if i build an irule panel for this room do most of you who have 2 output devices have a main option to select the tv or projector?

Output3 Samsung UN32E5300 in the master bedroom, this one is easy just the tv, it can be controlled via ip again but only once the display is turned on, i have this working with roomie remote but not irule.

Output4 Pioneer VSX-522K which outputs to a Panasonic 54" VT25, other sources hooked to this amp is a Panaosnic 3D blurry player, this room has a 5.1 setup, harddaly ever used and not much ability to control any of these devices via ip.

Output5 32" samsung tv in the office, i don't mind manually powering on this device since i'm usually sitting at my desk and then as long as i can adjust the inputs and control the devices via irule

Output6 32" samssung works the same way as the office if i'm in the garage i don't mind turning on manually

Output7 The onkyo AMP like i mentioned above i would have it as a input and output source for the fact that i would like to take the audio from different sources and be able to deliver them to the in room speakers, the garage,living room, and back deck

Output8 23" computer monitor with hdmi in for diagnostics.

so my master plan is to be able to control as much of this as i can, on top of all the devices i have a full IRoverCAT5 setup for all the rooms, except the garage, i have a IR distribution block in the equipment room and also another one in the theateroom, these 2 distribution blocks are linked together via 3.5mm mini jack approx 50ft run, i have the global cache IP2IR device in the equipment room port 2 hooked into the IR distribution block via a 3.5mm cable so i can set everything up in roomie or irule via via the IP2IR on port2.

So my next big challenge is ip camera's i have 11 of them inside/outside the house is there anyone out there running ip camera's with irule, i'm able to add in the MJPG stream to irule as a a url but it won't refresh, i have to keep switching panels in order to get them to refresh the picture on iOS i use ipcamviewerpro has anyone been able to load another app via irule? i can't seem to make this work. i have 2 iPad mini's and 4 full-size iPads so my biggest question is how would all of you layout your irule based on my setup….

Thanks

Viper there is a lot in your thread but I will try and give you some input.

 

I have three rooms controlled by iRule all fed from a central equipment closet. What I did is to have my Home panel be room selection. Once you select your room then it is Activity selection, choosing an activity then runs the macros and takes you to a control panel for that room. On your room with the TV and projector what I would do is when you choose an activity have it take you to an intermediate panel that asks you to choose TV or Projector and the those will run the proper macro. I would have the macro for the TV include a power off command for the projector and the macro for the projector have a power off command for the TV, that way if you want to switch which display your using you just go back to the activity page choose the appropriate activity and then select the TV or projector whichever your switching to. I think this would be effective because I am guessing as an example if your watching cable tv on the TV and you want to switch the display to the projector its probably because you want to watch a bluray or something.

 

It sounds like you can have IR blasters in the rooms that need ir to turn on the TV's and use ip for the rest of the commands.

 

Hope this helps some.

Has anyone took a stab at getting samsung IP codes working for there tv's i know the irule FAQ says there not supporting it because of the lack of power on, but in most of my rooms it would be nice to have the ability to adjust the vol for the tv, i also use roomie remote and it works great for samsung tv's via ip control so i know its possible, just a matter of figuring out the codes, also when your all done watching you can power off the tv via IP, so its just the initial power on with the button or remote but after that all the commands work. Also can irule use the hard buttons on the ios devices, i know roomie when i'm in my activity i can use the vol up/down on the iphone to adjust the vol on the amp or TV depending on the activity, i'm not pro roomie but it seem to have a lot of features that irule doesn't but the biggest downfall is not being able to build your own pannel from scratch.

another quick question, i just decide to start over form scratch and clicked new handset, i notice theres a ipad 1024x768 res and also a ipad retina 2048x1536 most of my ipads are 3rd gen but the ipad minis are only 1024x768, if i build it in the ipad retina res will it compress down and be properly viewable on the ipad minis and ipad2?

Yes, you can define the hard buttons as volume controls for a chosen device.
The Retina devices will display a lower-res UI, but not the other way around. For max flexibility, you should design the lower-res display.

SC

Anyone have any ideas?

I've been lurking (mostly) here are AVS for many years. Some time ago I got involved with iRule and a number of you helped me on the way. I've recently installed Insteon light controllers in my home theater and started work on implementing them into my iPAD iRule lashup. I'm waiting for the 2412n Insteon Smartlinc controller so I was designing a new lighting control page. I will use a network gateway (Ihave one already with my Integra DTR 40.2) I want to put feedback on the screen to verify the settings of each of the four lights. I've figured out everything so far, with help as I said before, but feedback has me flummoxed. I've read the tutorial but not only is the iRulebuilder screen impossible to read (the iRuleBuilder examples are too hazy to get any value from them) but it introduces terms which aren't explained and why they are there and what they do. Is there any USEFUL documentation on feedback available? I'm not looking for a handout. I can do the pages and stuff on my own once I understand what the heck is going on.



Thanks, Rich
Edited by Rich Gibson - 2/20/13 at 8:55am

Anyone else use irule with Denon 2113ci (or probably any recent Denon receivers)?

I use IP for control and feedback. Despite having the receiver set to always listen to IP commands even when off, it seems like it needs some kind of "wake-up" command before irule can talk to it. The Denon app always connects to the receiver, but irule typically times out and gives me the red gateway indicator until I turn the unit on with the Denon app. After that I can use irule, turn the AVR on and off and get feedbacks fine, but if I wait long enough I have to use the Denon app to wake it up again.

I'm not 100% certain but I think turning on the AVR also wakes it up for irule, so I suppose I could use IR to turn it on/off and IP for everything else, but that shouldn't be necessary.

Anyone else have this problem? Between this, my stupid phone dropping wifi constantly, and really laggy volume control, so far my experience with irule has been less than exemplary.

I suggest attacking the dropped wifi issue first, it may be the source of the other problems.

If your'e using DHCP, I would recommend switching the Denon and the iPhone/iRule device device to static IP addresses and reserve the addresses on your router so you don't develop any conflicts later.

Once you get a stable wifi connection, then you can debug the other issues 1 at a time (if they still are issues).
Good luck,
JClam

You will probably only get smooth volume ramping (equivalent to the original Denon remote) if you use IR (and even then you have to tune the repeat count and interval). This is not an iRule limitation it's just inherent to the way the volume works on most devices.

When using Network or RS232 control, the best thing to do is have a number of buttons that go directly to specific volume levels (e.g. -10, -20, -30 etc.) assuming Denon supports such codes.

If we had variables and some control structure we could have a +10, +5db and +1db button for example

[button +5dB]
read oldVolume (from variable or even better from feedback)
new volume = oldVolume + 5
Send command to set new volume
oldVolume = NewVolume
[return]

There are some feedbacks for insteon already in the builder which I have used in my setup. So far, with my smartlinc in the mix, I'm not getting the exact specified results that I was hoping for and I haven't had a lot of time to play with it. There have been some posts here in this forum and on the iRule support forum. It is in part because when using the scene function for a group of lights the feedback is different than if you send a command to a specific device, at least I THINK that is what the issue is.

But, the way I understand feedbacks, you assign a feedback to a specific device. irule waits for responses from that device and then decodes the message per the instructions given in the feedback. I have my directv feedbacks working really well. So I can show how it works a little better using a working example. If my DTV box is sent the command get info it replies with this:


{
"callsign": "ESPNHD",
"duration": 1800,
"isOffAir": false,
"isPclocked": 3,
"isPpv": false,
"isRecording": false,
"isVod": false,
"major": 206,
"minor": 65535,
"programId": "6745795",
"rating": "No Rating",
"startTime": 1361397600,
"stationId": 2220255,
"status": {
"code": 200,
"commandResult": 0,
"msg": "OK.",
"query": "/tv/getProgInfo?major=206"
},
"title": "Around the Horn"
}

So irule has to take all that and weed through it and get to what you really want displayed. The DTV feedback for TITLE uses a prefix and suffix to display just what the title is, a prefix of *"title": " and a suffix of "*, it will then ignore all the other stuff and display just what is found between those values Around The Horn in this case.



So, that is basically how it works. When you get your smartlinc, play around with the feedbacks that are in the builder (make sure to change them to match the device IDs of your vaious switches).

I'm sorry not to be of more assistance. As I said, I'm still tinkering. But since I already have it working to turn on various scenes in my basement theater/office, I have scene settings for games, tv, movies, work. I have 3 dimmer zones controlling the can lights and I can raise and lower each as well with my control panel and turn everything off. Feedback isn't a huge priority, but it is very cool, so I do want to get it up and running eventually.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Or...

You can just create a button that sends the volume command 5 times.

I use that for my PVR: My PVR has a button on the remote that skips ahead 30 seconds. So on my iRule I have two buttons:
- Skip ahead 30 seconds (calls the standard command)
- Skip ahead 3 minutes (calls the standard command 6 times)

Works great !

Thanks for the response.

The dropped wifi is just my phone being belligerent. I've long since figured out how to convince it to reconnect to wifi after a drop, but that's very inconvenient when I need to quickly mute audio.

Denon has codes to go to specific volume levels and in fact I do find myself typically using 2 or 3 different volume levels so that is a good suggestion. I will try IR as well to see if it smooths out the volume control.

The Denon app doesn't have smooth volume control either so I suspect you're right that the IP interface is just inherently choppy.

I may have to resort to tracing the network traffic to see if the Denon app is doing anything special to alert it of incoming commands. I have noted that via the Denon app I can control HDMI connected devices like the PS3. I can't find any documentation of codes that do that, so I've been wanting to look at the network traffic anyway to see if I can add that capability to irule.

Hello all, Ive been browsing the forums for a while and have my irule controller set up to my liking thanks to the input I found on here. My question is has anybody intergrated their security dvr into the controller and can point me in the right direction? I have a 16 channel security dvr that I can access from other apps but cant for the life of me figure out how to use it with irule where I can view it from within the irule controller.

Are you using ipad or android?

i don't have anything as sophisticated as a 16 channel DVR, but I have 3 IP cameras and I can view them within iRule on my ipods using their IP address embedded as a URL:

http://192.168.1.107:80/videostream.cgi?user=XXXX&pwd=XXXX&resolution=8

These are foscam cameras, other brands may work differently.

If your DVR has a web server or you can view its output on in a browser, you can likely embed that URL in your ipad.

Unfortunately android and irule don't support embedded video. I use the launch app feature in irule to launch an external app (IP Cam Viewer Pro) to view my cameras. It works nearly seamlessly, it launches in to the app and pressing the back button goes right back in to irule.

Hope that helps.

Update: Got really quick reply from irule support :-), need to be on Android 2.3 and I'm only on 2.2.........now to try and update the phone!!!!!!


I have irule working on a couple of ipods very nicely. I wanted to set irule up in another room, and I have an old HTC Desire that I can use. However, I cannot get it working on the HTC. Here's what I've done so far:
- created new handset from the irule default for HTC desire
- replaced a few of the default device codes with codes from my devices
- entered acct details on the HTC and sync'd

Now, here are some of the issues:
- The app on the phone is not retaining my account settings when I shut the app down or switch off the phone
- While the panels have sync'd, the screen is all black, and I can't see the buttons or background. I know the panels are there, because I can see the page indicators at the top of the screen, and on the home page, where there is some white text, it shows up.
- When I try to goto the panels selector and choose another eg Watch TV, the app hangs and I get an error message "Activity iRule (in application iRule) is not responding" with options to Force Close, Wait or Report.

After the app hang, I've tried all three options. With force close, lose all account and handset details, so have to start all over again.

Appreciate and and all help.

Thanks

Michael
Edited by michaelp2005 - 2/21/13 at 10:02pm

The equipment came and I began to install it only to discover that rather than providing a hot source to the switch the home builder put it in one of two overhead light fixtures. The black/white AC cable was acting like a serial wire to a toggle switch. #%%^$#$%%$ After trying to trace it and figure it out I was only able to find the pair which lead to the far light fixture so I had to run a new line from the box (It did have a hot lead from another light switch. Done...UGH! Everything is in and working. Thanks to the help from James and other for configuring the feedback.

Now to hook up the 2412n and configure it and test the feedbacks....after a number of 'honey do's'.

Again thanks!

I've installed seven 2477D controllers and the work perfectly to the touch and with a Smartlinc 2 controller. I will eventually get them working with iRule. However I'm not able to add Smartlinc as and Insteon controller using the Smartlinc application at the website. The 2412n is plugged in and has an IP address, set pressed and light is green. When I get to adding a 2477 I select the scene and then it says waiting. I press the switch and hold it and after a few seconds it beeps and flashes. Back at my Mac it shows the correct ID and DONE. However when I try to test the light it doesn't work. I've tried this several times going through the process and saving but each time I come back the 2477 doesn't show and none of the devices will test or save.

I have another program from GlobalCache called ihelp.app which is supposed to see all the devices on my network. the iTach and my Integra show up but the smartlinc doesn't although when I plug it into the hub the light blinks. Any hints?

I've run Smartlinc from my Galaxy and it finds my room Home Theater. I've put each separate switch as a separate scene (I have a narrow spotlight over each viewer seat). When I select a 'scene' I get a blue horizontal band with Bright On Off and Dim. When I select a setting there is a spinning circle until it reports back the selected setting but nothing happens.


Edited by Rich Gibson - 2/23/13 at 10:07am

Have you sync'd the 2412N with your light switch by holding the small button next to the small LED on the smartlinc and under the physical switch on your dimmer?

I assume you have but it can be over looked.

That function has to be completed before they can be "synced" on the web portal.

I have been using an everfocus dvr in my setup. I have a page that shows an embedded webpge of my dvr and I have an ir itch connected to the dvr to control it if viewing it on any of my TVA in the house. Via irule webpge embedded I have viewing capability only of any of the channels.

That would be very difficult if I understand your instructions. The 2412n is located in another room and the four light switches are down the hall in the family room. There aren't any instructions in the manual that I can find to that effect. I did find a solution at the iRule help site. I reset my Mac modem and the cable modem and turned on each light switch before pressing them. Just before each switch blinked I heard a faint bleep from the 2412n down the hall. They are working now. Strange.

Has anyone attempted to get IP control working for Samsung tv's? this works with the native ios and android apps and also roomie remote, i know you cant turn on the TVs but for some of my smaller rooms it would be nice to be able to adjus the vol over IP

seems like its supported with openremote too...

http://openremote.org/display/docs/OpenRemote+2.0+How+To+-+Samsung+TV+Remote
Edited by viper14 - 2/23/13 at 4:31pm