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post #8101 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

That would be very difficult if I understand your instructions. The 2412n is located in another room and the four light switches are down the hall in the family room. There aren't any instructions in the manual that I can find to that effect. I did find a solution at the iRule help site. I reset my Mac modem and the cable modem and turned on each light switch before pressing them. Just before each switch blinked I heard a faint bleep from the 2412n down the hall. They are working now. Strange.

Glad all is working, just make sure the IP is static and your good to go!
post #8102 of 9744
I've got everything working except the feedback. Thanks everyone. I want to use a lamp dimmer for a fan in my gym. I've got it working with the iRule Insteon network gateway partial settings but the range (0:00, 13:20, 25:40, 38:60, 50:80, 75:90 and 100:FF ) don't work well for ventilation. I need to get them between 50 and 100: 50, 63, 75, 88,100. I don't have the values for those settings. I feel kind of stupid but can someone help me? I need the values for 63% and 88%. Thanks,


Rich
post #8103 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

I've got everything working except the feedback. Thanks everyone. I want to use a lamp dimmer for a fan in my gym. I've got it working with the iRule Insteon network gateway partial settings but the range (0:00, 13:20, 25:40, 38:60, 50:80, 75:90 and 100:FF ) don't work well for ventilation. I need to get them between 50 and 100: 50, 63, 75, 88,100. I don't have the values for those settings. I feel kind of stupid but can someone help me? I need the values for 63% and 88%. Thanks,


Rich

Rich, (James, over on the iRule support forum) For 63% try A0 and for 88% try E0. Good luck with the rest...

jidelite
post #8104 of 9744
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I think the cheapest solution is to add an adapter such as this to each device's DB9 connector, then just buy standard (and cheap) network cables.

The adapters can be wired any way you want (they are not wired up when you buy them), but you have to know the pinout of the Digiport connectors and wire accordingly, so it can be a little tricky.

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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

There's more than one way to do RS-232 over ethernet cables. For example, I don't believe the Digi PortServer uses the same standard as RS-232D. Do you know of a specific cable that's been tested with a PortServer?

The Monoprice adapters are a safe bet because they can be wired any way (and they're 60 cents each so you can buy a few extra). The PortServer RJ45 pinout is documented in the manual you can download from the Digi web site (www.digi.com).

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Originally Posted by absolootbs View Post

i'm gonna say that was definitely an isolated incident. my ts16 is 100% reliable. i've not had to reboot it once (other than when power's gone out or i've moved it from one location to another) in the 9 months i've been using it.
if it saves anyone from having to reinvent the wheel...

the digi has TX on rj45 pin 4, RX on rj45 pin 5, and GND on rj45 pin 6. (note that in digi's published pinouts, these are listed as pins 5, 6, and 7. thats because the digi's ports are 10 pin. an 8 pin rj45 (eg. ethernet) makes contact with digi pins 2 - 9. so digi pin 5 = rj45 pin 4, and so on.)

and my rj45/db9 monoprice adapters were wired as follows:

rj45 pin wire color
1.............blue
2.............orange
3.............black
4.............red
5.............green
6.............yellow
7.............brown
8.............white

be aware though that i've read the pinouts on the monoprice adapters have been known to change from time to time. so you may still want to check at least a couple of them with a continuity tester or multimeter. i'd venture to guess that if you check two or three of them and they match mine, then the rest probably will too.

I purchased a used Digi PortServer TS16 70001733, and performed a little research on the pinout of the cables. I found the Digi Cable Guide, which covers all PortServer TS, Digi Connect, and Digi One products. The document is 154 pages long, so I extracted the pages attached below, which have pinout information for RJ-45 (8-PIN) to DB-9 cable terminations.

I am confused because all the excerpts below list 8-Pin, vice 10-Pin RJ-45 connectors, making the pinout arrangements differ from what you posted above. Would you please take a look and let me know if I am understanding this correctly, and if I found the correct documents to allow me to wire the Monoprice adapters for use with the Digi PortServer and iRule?

Thanks.

Mark

This page provides the pinout arrangement when using their RJ-45 to DB-9 adapter, which should also work with the Monoprice adapter, I would think.

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - RJ-45 to DB-9 Cable Adapter.pdf 48k .pdf file

Capture of the above document, for ease of reference and discussion:



This page provides the pinout arrangement for a PC Terminal Emulator cable when going from RJ-45 to DB-9. The pinout arrangement matches the above document, except for PIN 8, which dictates using DB-9 PIN 6 instead of both 1 and 6 on the adapter above.

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - PC Terminal Emulator Cables Altpin RJ-45 to DB-9.pdf 64k .pdf file

This page provides the pinout arrangement for a Modem cable when going from RJ-45 to DB-9. The pin-out does not match the above documents, so I don't think this diagram applies to wiring for iRule, but I am wondering when this might be used?

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - EIA-232 Modem Cables Altpin RJ-45 to DB-9.pdf 65k .pdf file
post #8105 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

I've got everything working except the feedback. Thanks everyone. I want to use a lamp dimmer for a fan in my gym. I've got it working with the iRule Insteon network gateway partial settings but the range (0:00, 13:20, 25:40, 38:60, 50:80, 75:90 and 100:FF ) don't work well for ventilation. I need to get them between 50 and 100: 50, 63, 75, 88,100. I don't have the values for those settings. I feel kind of stupid but can someone help me? I need the values for 63% and 88%. Thanks,


Rich


Hi Rich,

I believe you contacted iRule support and I modified your devices, feedback and GUI. Did that not work?




Alex
post #8106 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I purchased a used Digi PortServer TS16 70001733, and performed a little research on the pinout of the cables. I found the Digi Cable Guide, which covers all PortServer TS, Digi Connect, and Digi One products. The document is 154 pages long, so I extracted the pages attached below, which have pinout information for RJ-45 (8-PIN) to DB-9 cable terminations.

I am confused because all the excerpts below list 8-Pin, vice 10-Pin RJ-45 connectors, making the pinout arrangements differ from what you posted above. Would you please take a look and let me know if I am understanding this correctly, and if I found the correct documents to allow me to wire the Monoprice adapters for use with the Digi PortServer and iRule?

Thanks.

Mark

This page provides the pinout arrangement when using their RJ-45 to DB-9 adapter, which should also work with the Monoprice adapter, I would think.

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - RJ-45 to DB-9 Cable Adapter.pdf 48k .pdf file

Capture of the above document, for ease of reference and discussion:



This page provides the pinout arrangement for a PC Terminal Emulator cable when going from RJ-45 to DB-9. The pinout arrangement matches the above document, except for PIN 8, which dictates using DB-9 PIN 6 instead of both 1 and 6 on the adapter above.

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - PC Terminal Emulator Cables Altpin RJ-45 to DB-9.pdf 64k .pdf file

This page provides the pinout arrangement for a Modem cable when going from RJ-45 to DB-9. The pin-out does not match the above documents, so I don't think this diagram applies to wiring for iRule, but I am wondering when this might be used?

Digi Cable Guide Excerpt - EIA-232 Modem Cables Altpin RJ-45 to DB-9.pdf 65k .pdf file

the digi documentation you found correctly references the pins from the perspective of an 8 pin connector. notice that the pin numbers in your document (4 for tx, 5 for rx, and 6 for sg) match up with the ones i specify for an rj45 ethernet connector in my post. your documentation is simply ignoring digi pin 1 and digi pin 10, since they won't make contact with anything on an 8 pin connector. if you look at any documentation for the actual digi itself, which has 10 pins, it will list those same signals on pins 5, 6, and 7.

long story short, my post and your documentation say the same thing - that pins 4, 5, and 6 of an 8 pin rj45 connector are what matter. i caused the confusion by adding the unnecessary part about the digi's actual pinout in my original post. sorry bout that frown.gif

EDIT: and i just realized that i may have furthered the confusion by referring to the signal ground (sg) as "GND" in my original post, when in fact a different pin is labeled as "Ground" in your documentation. still though, what i said above is correct: it's pins 4, 5, and 6 of an 8 pin rj45 connector that matter when plugged into a digi.
Edited by absolootbs - 3/1/13 at 9:54am
post #8107 of 9744
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Originally Posted by absolootbs View Post

the digi documentation you found correctly references the pins from the perspective of an 8 pin connector. notice that the pin numbers in your document (4 for tx, 5 for rx, and 6 for sg) match up with the ones i specify for an rj45 ethernet connector in my post. your documentation is simply ignoring digi pin 1 and digi pin 10, since they won't make contact with anything on an 8 pin connector. if you look at any documentation for the actual digi itself, which has 10 pins, it will list those same signals on pins 5, 6, and 7.

long story short, my post and your documentation say the same thing - that pins 4, 5, and 6 of an 8 pin rj45 connector are what matter. i caused the confusion by adding the unnecessary part about the digi's actual pinout in my original post. sorry bout that frown.gif

EDIT: and i just realized that i may have furthered the confusion by referring to the signal ground (sg) as "GND" in my original post, when in fact a different pin is labeled as "Ground" in your documentation. still though, what i said above is correct: it's pins 4, 5, and 6 of an 8 pin rj45 connector that matter when plugged into a digi.

Cool beans! Thanks. Any insight on whether to use RJ-45 Pin 8 for DB-9 Pin 1, 6, or both?

Mark
post #8108 of 9744
Hardware help please. I think I have read too many threads & confused myself smile.gif I want to ensure that I order the correct hardware/gateway for iRule setup.

I have the following running into a network Yamaha RXV673 reciever:
- a Pace cable box
- Sony Blu-Ray DVD player
- Epson PowerLite projector

The reciever, cable box & DVD player are all in the closet; projector is ceiling mounted. Does a single gateway located in the closet run this? Or is there something else that I will need to integrate the projector? Thanks in advance!
post #8109 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Cool beans! Thanks. Any insight on whether to use RJ-45 Pin 8 for DB-9 Pin 1, 6, or both?

Mark

not sure. depends on what you're trying to control and whether or not it requires those signals (dtr, dcd/dsr). for the strong majority of things it won't make any difference. all they'll care about is tx, rx, and sg (rj45 pins 4, 5, and 6; db9 pins 2, 3, and 5). i use my digi to control an extron matrix switcher, an onkyo receiver, a panasonic projector, and an insteon plm, and none of them use anything but those three.
post #8110 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Any insight on whether to use RJ-45 Pin 8 for DB-9 Pin 1, 6, or both?

You should not need RJ-45 pin 8 (which is just as well because it's not so easy to connect it to 2 places in the adapter).

I would just connect pins 4, 5, 6 plus 2 and 7 (the last 2 are RTS/CTS and are not always needed, but it's worth connecting them so the adapter can be used with other devices if you ever need to).

Then I usually cut off the pins I don't need before closing the adapter.
post #8111 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Cool beans! Thanks. Any insight on whether to use RJ-45 Pin 8 for DB-9 Pin 1, 6, or both?

Mark

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Originally Posted by absolootbs View Post

not sure. depends on what you're trying to control and whether or not it requires those signals (dtr, dcd/dsr). for the strong majority of things it won't make any difference. all they'll care about is tx, rx, and sg (rj45 pins 4, 5, and 6; db9 pins 2, 3, and 5). i use my digi to control an extron matrix switcher, an onkyo receiver, a panasonic projector, and an insteon plm, and none of them use anything but those three.

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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

You should not need RJ-45 pin 8 (which is just as well because it's not so easy to connect it to 2 places in the adapter).

I would just connect pins 4, 5, 6 plus 2 and 7 (the last 2 are RTS/CTS and are not always needed, but it's worth connecting them so the adapter can be used with other devices if you ever need to).

Then I usually cut off the pins I don't need before closing the adapter.

Thanks for the input, guys. I modified the Adapter wiring Pin-out excerpt accordingly.




Mark
Edited by giomania - 3/1/13 at 1:24pm
post #8112 of 9744
I'm having an issue with my Oppo 103. Most of the time (70% or more) the control and feedback work just fine; however once and a while it stops responding and I either just have to wait or go back out of the activity and back in. This issues the verbose command again and doesn't always help. It may be just timing and that issuing that command again does nothing to fix it. It eventually goes back to normal and will work again for a period of time. I'm using irule with an ipad mini and a GC-100 via serial. I'm pretty sure the cable is right or it would work at all. Any ideas? The Oppo still responds to IR just fine (better actually) so my fear is that it is the GC100.
post #8113 of 9744
Pauleyc,

Couple of things... You know the communication status indicator arrows in the lower-right corner of the screen that usually flash when you push buttons? When feedback and control stops working, and you push buttons to control the Oppo, are the arrows still green, or have they turned red? By checking if it's green or red, we can narrow down whether the issue is likely with the iRule-GC100 link (red), or whether the issue is likely with the GC100-Oppo (green). If red, something iRule/network/GC-100 related. If green, then... It's probably not the problem, but double-check the GC-100 serial port config. It should be 9600, no flow control, no parity. If that checks out, if you have a GC-100-12, try swapping serial ports. Couple things to look at, then we can go from there.

SC
post #8114 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Thanks for the input, guys. I modified the Adapter wiring Pin-out excerpt accordingly...

The other thing to keep in mind is you may have some devices that require a straight serial cable, and some need a crossover (a.k.a. null-modem) cable. You can either wire all the monoprice adapters the same and use an extra null-modem adapter when needed, or you can do the crossover in the monoprice adapter itself (swap 4/5 and 2/7).
post #8115 of 9744
I was hoping to get into the iRule foray but have some simple questions that would go a long way into letting me know if this is the right path for me.

The goal is to go all IP via iPhone and iPad.

Panasonic VT50 Plasma
Marantz NR1602
TiVo 3
Oppo Bdp 103
Dune 3 Base

The Dune is the least important but I admit, that a counterpart software was not able to do much for certain devices via IP. I was hoping not to get into any hardware solutions IR or Serial.

Any help would be appreciated here.

Also, if I wanted to run the TiVo through the Oppo, would it be possible to get the Oppo to "default" to a given input?
post #8116 of 9744
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Originally Posted by osupike99 View Post

Hi Rich,

I believe you contacted iRule support and I modified your devices, feedback and GUI. Did that not work?




Alex

Yes it did, thanks very much. Tough keeping track of three support forums.

Rich
post #8117 of 9744
I have an integra DTR 40.2. Most of the buttons are working fine however I'm having difficulty getting iRule to turn it on. The power on button doesn't work; the power off does. I note that with the remote you have to press the receiver button then the standby button. The Integra network command list does not contain either the receiver or the standby button. Has anyone been successful turning it on?

I'm interested in getting the network server working. All I can get connecting is EyeConnect (Elgato) and DIVX but neither finds any music. Has anyone found a music/movie streamer which works with the integra and a Mac?

Darn this is fun! Rich
post #8118 of 9744
For most Onkyo/Integra preamps you can turn the unit on by selecting an input. I turn on mine with the input command for whatever input I'm using for the particular activity.
post #8119 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Steve Goff View Post

For most Onkyo/Integra preamps you can turn the unit on by selecting an input. I turn on mine with the input command for whatever input I'm using for the particular activity.

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Sometimes I punch the button for cable to turn it on. Doh! Thanks very much.

Rich
post #8120 of 9744
Quick question for those doing IP control to a JVC projector .. I noticed recommendations to put the 'PJREQ' command in the entrance and repeat it; however since projector commands are *mostly* on/off, couldn't you just put that command in front of the command you want to execute? Not sure how long it takes for it to become active on the network, so maybe that is why its not done. I have an RS46 but haven't built it into irule yet. Thanks!
post #8121 of 9744
That's what I do for macro commands. I let it repeat on the panels where I'm doing a lot of projector control. Example using the projector menu via cursor commands. SJ
post #8122 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Sometimes I punch the button for cable to turn it on. Doh! Thanks very much.

Rich

Some feedback about the netword-based commands from Integra. Yesterday the receiver started acting strangely. It will now only play four of my seven speakers and won't generate white noise for a calibration test. Network connectivity is intermittent permitting iRule commands at one time and then showing no network connection a few minutes later. I have to send in the Integra DTR 40.2 for repair. So much for paying list price through a local dealer. Hopefully they'll cover the shipping and repair.
post #8123 of 9744
I assume you tried the usual turn it off and back on again (by physically pulling the power cord, not just with the power button). Often these strange problems are fixed by a reboot.
post #8124 of 9744
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I assume you tried the usual turn it off and back on again (by physically pulling the power cord, not just with the power button). Often these strange problems are fixed by a reboot.

Removing the power cord worked once yesterday but did not today. The service representative talked me through a system reset four times with no sound. I called the local dealer after an hour and turned the unit on and the speakers started playing to my surprise. However only the front four LCR + SW were working. The local dealer tried to work me through a speaker calibration. I configured the unit to show my seven speakers + SW (all the display screen showed was four speakers) but it would not generate white noise from any of the speakers. He said it sounded like an HDMI card was going. Most of it makes sense except for the intermittent network connectivity. I got it to run the four speakers and then used my iPad and lowered the volume and it worked fine. I then tried to raise it and the tiny indicator in the lower right of the screen turned red and then no Integra buttons on the screen worked. This explains my difficulty getting iRule to turn the Integra on and off...sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

UPDATE: Dead..no sound, display works and shows some functionality but that's all.
Edited by Rich Gibson - 3/7/13 at 2:50pm
post #8125 of 9744
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

That's what I do for macro commands. I let it repeat on the panels where I'm doing a lot of projector control. Example using the projector menu via cursor commands. SJ

Does it respond quickly?
post #8126 of 9744
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post



Does it respond quickly?
I have a delay after the connect command. I only use this for my startup and shutdown macros. SJ
post #8127 of 9744
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

I'm having an issue with my Oppo 103. Most of the time (70% or more) the control and feedback work just fine; however once and a while it stops responding and I either just have to wait or go back out of the activity and back in. This issues the verbose command again and doesn't always help. It may be just timing and that issuing that command again does nothing to fix it. It eventually goes back to normal and will work again for a period of time. I'm using irule with an ipad mini and a GC-100 via serial. I'm pretty sure the cable is right or it would work at all. Any ideas? The Oppo still responds to IR just fine (better actually) so my fear is that it is the GC100.

Mine does the same. I recently added feedbacks for the Oppo. I'm wondering if the Oppo is flooding the GC100 with data or something. It always shows connected but stops responding to any commands. SJ
post #8128 of 9744
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post



Thanks for the input, guys. I modified the Adapter wiring Pin-out excerpt accordingly.




Mark

I received my RJ-45 to DB-9 Adapters from Monoprice, and can confirm the wire colors for each individual pin specified in another post is accurate.

I checked on the specific control protocol and pin-out for Denon, since I have several Denon devices to control, and it differs from Digi's implementation, in that TxD and RxD are reversed. Here is what Denon said:



And here is what I created to differentiate Denon from Digi. I just want to make sure I am understanding this correctly before I assemble the connectors, or move on to my other devices (Lumagen processor, JVC projector, and Monoprice HDMI switch).



Thanks for any input.

Mark

Edit: Corrected the second image, as it had Denon DB-9 listed in both places.
Edited by giomania - 3/9/13 at 2:23pm
post #8129 of 9744
Do you have the tool that lets you remove pins from the adapter if necessary? You can assemble the adapter without a tool (although you have to be very careful to fully insert the pins), but you need the tool to remove pins if you get something wrong.

Also it's useful to have a DB9 null modem adapter in case you get it wrong the first time (the null modem adapter swaps Rx/Tx and RTS/CTS).

Other than that, Tx on pin 2 is normal for a slave device that requires a straight serial cable, so Denon is not really a special case.
post #8130 of 9744
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Do you have the tool that lets you remove pins from the adapter if necessary? You can assemble the adapter without a tool (although you have to be very careful to fully insert the pins), but you need the tool to remove pins if you get something wrong.

Also it's useful to have a DB9 null modem adapter in case you get it wrong the first time (the null modem adapter swaps Rx/Tx and RTS/CTS).

Other than that, Tx on pin 2 is normal for a slave device that requires a straight serial cable, so Denon is not really a special case.

I do not have the tool; I wasn't aware that one existed! Anyway, I assembled two adapters (for use at both ends of a spare Cat 5 run) last night to create a Null modem cable to perform updates to my Lumagen processor from my PC in another room. I purchased all male adapters (with a few gender changers), and was able to insert the pins and most of them clicked in without a need for tools. On the few problematic insertions, I used a pair of small pliers to gently pull the pin until it clicked into position. This was easy to do with a male adapter, as the pins are there and easy to grab with micro-sized pliers, but that would not have worked on a female adapter.

To create my pin-outs for that particular application, I used the guide created by U.S. Converters.com, the brand of my USB to RS-232 converter, to make my pin-outs, and it worked fine.

It would hope that my other devices follow the Denon pin-out as well, assuming they are slave devices requiring a straight serial cable, since they are not a special case. If that is not the case, I will just create the little diagrams in Excel for each device, and label them as they are pinned out.

Thanks for confirming my pin-outs for my Denon gear. I would (of course) create one and test it before creating more.

Mark
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