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post #8281 of 9755
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Ok i'm really starting to like the iRule.

If I go with Insteon dimmer switches and outlets will I still need this: http://www.smarthome.com/2411R/IRLinc-Receiver-IR-to-INSTEON-Converter/p.aspx with the iRule?

If I go with Lutron dimmer siwtches can this: http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pages/StandAloneControls/Dimmers-Switches/MaestroIRDimmer/Overview.aspx be controlled by iRule?

i'm not very familiar with lutron, but for insteon, the IRlinc would work, but would be the least desirable option for insteon control. the reason being: you're limited to only a handful of commands, you don't get feedback, and ir can be less reliable than network and serial control since there is no physical connection. other, more common options include a smartlinc (2412n), or a plm (2412s or 2413s) controlled by either an isy99 or 994, a global cache device (ip2sl or gc100), or a digi portserver.
post #8282 of 9755
Oh wow that opens up a whole new world as Aladdin would say. Would I only need 1 Smartlinc(2412N) to control the Insteon dimmable light switches and outlets and nothing more?

And I'm guessing iRule can recognize this and be usable through iRule as well?

When using this Smartlinc I still get the normal Insteon dimmable switches and lights correct? Normal wiring as well?

Thanks a bunch.
Edited by mijotter - 4/17/13 at 3:51pm
post #8283 of 9755
Quote:
Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Oh wow that opens up a whole new world as Aladdin would say. Would I only need 1 Smartlinc(2412N) to control the Insteon dimmable light switches and outlets and nothing more?

And I'm guessing iRule can recognize this and be usable through iRule as well?

When using this Smartlinc I still get the normal Insteon dimmable switches and lights correct? Normal wiring as well?

Thanks a bunch.

If you are going to go with a Smartlinc (for basic control), you may want to look at this kit: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/INSTEON---Starter-Kit---White/5388941.p?id=1218639328882&skuId=5388941

This is how I started out and yes you only need 1 2412N and you can get get the normal dimmers and light switches...

jidelite
post #8284 of 9755
How are you guys organizing your iRule for multi-zone systems.

It seems to be a piece of cake when you're sitting in one room to know how to layout the remote.

However, with 2 or 3 zones, I'm trying to think of the most seamless way to control various zones as I move around the house. The biggest problem is when I'm in a page for zone 1, then I go back to my homescreen to pick a source for zone 2, the iRule doesn't know which page to go back to when I return to zone 1. I have to pick the correct source that is already playing to get to that page.

The problem with this is I have several commands that execute when selecting a source. They work for picking a new source, but when going back into a source that is already playing. those commands are no longer desireable.... and do things such as resetting the pandora station.
post #8285 of 9755
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

How are you guys organizing your iRule for multi-zone systems.

It seems to be a piece of cake when you're sitting in one room to know how to layout the remote.

However, with 2 or 3 zones, I'm trying to think of the most seamless way to control various zones as I move around the house. The biggest problem is when I'm in a page for zone 1, then I go back to my homescreen to pick a source for zone 2, the iRule doesn't know which page to go back to when I return to zone 1. I have to pick the correct source that is already playing to get to that page.

The problem with this is I have several commands that execute when selecting a source. They work for picking a new source, but when going back into a source that is already playing. those commands are no longer desireable.... and do things such as resetting the pandora station.

thats the exact reason i don't use entrances. in my setup, each activity screen has an "on" button and an "off" button, that run macros to set up, or shut down, the respective activity.

i start with a home screen where you choose your room:



from there, you go to a room screen where you choose either an activity or an individual device:



and here's an example of my "watch tv" activity screen. note that the words "living room" and "home" in the top left and right corners are links back to the room screen of the room the activity is in, and the home screen of the system. in addition to the name of the room being a link to the room's screen, it also serves to let you know which room you're activity-ing, since a given activity screen looks the same from one room to the next. that way if i pick up one of my remotes and see that it's on "watch tv 1", i'm not left wondering "is this the living room's watch tv 1 activity, or the lounge's watch tv 1 activity".



so if i was currently "watch(ing) tv 1" in the living room and i wanted to turn the lounge tv on to that same show then end up back where i started, i would press the following: home, lounge, watch tv 1, on, home, living room, watch tv 1. might seem like a lot when typed out, but in practice it takes about three seconds to execute and doesn't seem any more cumbersome than navigating around any other phone/tablet app.
Edited by absolootbs - 4/19/13 at 6:14am
post #8286 of 9755
Thanks, yeah, we are on the same page. So you basically made the ON function separate from entering the page. I guess this would solve part of my problem, just make it a 2 or 3 step process. Maybe I'm being too picky. I think the way you have it is basically how the Denon app works as well.

I'm not using entrances btw, but I do have commands tied to the link that goes to that page, so sort of does the same thing.

I did find that the navigation/back button, which can be either the tablet button, or an iRule button, goes back to the previous PANEL you were in, and to the PAGE you were in within that panel.

This would work great by making each Panel a zone, and putting all the pages in it. Then you could go between panels.



The major problem with this though is then when using drawers half the time it swipes the screen over to the wrong remote. If I could disable the swiping I'd be set.
post #8287 of 9755
I guess another option is to pick the device first, TV or Music or Game from the main menu, and then within that page have the ability to turn on/off different zones.
post #8288 of 9755
In a complex, multizone setup with lots of equipment and activities, it is really helpful to have a server controlling what's going on rather than trying to do everything in iRule. What you want is state variables and conditional logic, which iRule doesn't support. In my setup, I use EventGhost as the server. iRule sends all commands to EventGhost, which knows exactly what zones are active, which equipment is turned on etc. EventGhost then sends only the required IR or IP signals to the right zone and keeps track through state variables. This approach also allows multiple iRule devices to be used at the same time without any risk for conflict or things getting out of sync.
post #8289 of 9755

Here is what I have done to acomodate multiple rooms and also multiple ipads (ie. I start an acitivity and then leave for work and my Wife needs to then use her ipad to control the system.)  I have found that it is very rare that we have a need to use activities in more than one room at a time allthough my setup allows this to be done and  has worked out well.   What I have done is created a Main Panel in which you first choose the room you want work with.

 

 

 

That will take you to an "Activity" page.  Each activity for that room has a button which contains a macro for all the power and associated setting commands and links to that activities control page. Also directly above each activities button is a clear button which is only a link to that activities remote with no commands.  This gives you a way to navigate into a particular remote without issuing any commands. This allows another irule control device that didn't start the activity to get into it or if you are using your ipad for something else and go back into Irule and it goes to the main panel.

 

Here is a screen capture at the moment I tapped the clear button for Directv which will momentarily glow as it is tapped.

 

 

 

Now as you can see there is also a "Home" button which will take you back from the activity selection page you are in to the main room selection page as well as a power button which only controls shutting down all the devices for the room you are in.

 

Within an activities remote there are buttons on the side that link to that rooms other remotes, these are links only and have no commands, I really don't even need them there but I guess I kept them for looks and at a quick glance it shows you which activity your on with the blue active light. Also there is another "Home" link which links from the remote back to that remotes room activity page, not the main room selection page.

 

 

 

I have found this to work really well and even supports more than one room at once as you can always navigate back into an already active rooms remotes without running any commands.

 

Hope this helps.

post #8290 of 9755
Anyone here using Denon feedback?

I'm using NSE feedback to get track, artist info, but I can't figure out the proper prefix to remove the strange ascii character from the feedback.

Denon and other online stuff lists it as this here:

NSE1※

But copying and pasting that doesn't work. Adding that character causes the feedback to no longer work at all.

How do I add this unknown ascii character to the prefix in iRule builder?
post #8291 of 9755
Anyway to get feedback to display on top of a button? It keeps getting hidden behind.

If its not possible I'll have to stick the button the background and use an invisible button over it... bleh.

Just started on the feedback today. Sucks as you can't build graphics or logic into it, but I'm trying some creative ways of faking it. I'll post if I can get a good result.

Thanks btw cheezit. Nice ui. Looks like unless I can figure out a way to start a source and re-enter a source with the same macro... i'll have to have two different ways into the remote. BTW if you group all your zone 1 pages into a panel you can use the "back" navigation from any zone 2 page to get back to your previous zone 1 page. I don't like this though because then the user can get lost in the pages of a zone if they swipe.
post #8292 of 9755
Anyone have issues using IR to a DVDO iScan Duo? I am trying to set a button to 1) move my Panamorph lens sled and 2) hit the button on the DVDO to get to the user preset for stretching the picture. The Panamorph codes work perfectly but even with a single button press code for the DVDO... the DVDO acts like it is getting 4-8 button presses.

I have even deleted ALL of the codes for this button and started over, but every time the DVDO cycles through a bunch...as if I was standing there with the factory remote and holding down the button.

It is really frustrating because it's obvious that the IR code is correct, but maybe the Global Cache is sending a long burst.

Anyone ever see this and have a solution??

Thanks
post #8293 of 9755
BroncoSport,

I don't know why they do, but some devices are designed to only take a single command instead of a repeated command.

Try this:
1) Select one or two codes in the DVDO device you're having trouble with
2) In the code property box (lower-left), change the 'repetition' field from its default '3' to '1'
3) Save, sync, and test

If that works, change the rest of codes in the DVDO device to repetition 1.

Cheers,
SC
post #8294 of 9755
Thanks, I will give that a shot.
post #8295 of 9755
I had issues with double or triple repeated commands on many of my devices. I have them all set at 1 now. I don't know why they have it defaulted to 3.
post #8296 of 9755
Are majority of people here using Apple devices with iRule or on Android tablets/phones? Cant seem to find much about iRule on Android..
post #8297 of 9755
iRule has been around much longer on iOS, so there just aren't as many Android users. Generally speaking, I'd say the iOS version probably offers a bit better, more solid experience on iOS, but that's probably more my impression than anything else. There are plenty of users using iRule on the popular Android devices, and if the forum posts are any indication, pretty successfully so. Plus, there are some posts on the iRule forum indicating the developers are working on the Android version right now, so the Android version will get a lot more of the functionality and maturity that's missing from the current version.

Cheers,
SC
post #8298 of 9755
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

iRule has been around much longer on iOS, so there just aren't as many Android users. Generally speaking, I'd say the iOS version probably offers a bit better, more solid experience on iOS, but that's probably more my impression than anything else. There are plenty of users using iRule on the popular Android devices, and if the forum posts are any indication, pretty successfully so. Plus, there are some posts on the iRule forum indicating the developers are working on the Android version right now, so the Android version will get a lot more of the functionality and maturity that's missing from the current version.

Cheers,
SC

Is the Android app available in Google Play the same as the one available in the Amazon App Store? I am wondering if the Kindle Fire app has the same functionality as the app for other Android tablets.

Thanks.

Mark
post #8299 of 9755
I have it installed on a Kindle Fire and my Samsung phone, and iphone. Have been doing most of the testing on my samsung, but the kindle appears to have all the functionality there. If anything it's better than the phone which doesn't like to wake up as quickly when starting the app.
post #8300 of 9755
Hi! I'm adding an Apple remote to control my XBMC and am partially done. I've converted all but one of the remote's commands to an "Apple Remote" Global Cache codes section of the device using iLearn. My problem is I am unable to get the select button to work; all the others move the cursor fine. I've tried fifteen or twenty separate I/R codes and none of them work. The sequences follow pretty closely changing only a few of the variables each time but no luck. I checked device browse in iRuleBuilder with no luck. Can anyone help me with this?

Thanks, Rich
post #8301 of 9755
I had mixed results using the iLearn feature. I decided instead to find the manufacturer's published hex codes for my receiver and a method to convert them over to the format used in iRule. I'd search for something like that published for your device.
post #8302 of 9755
Thanks for the hint. It seems others who have found codes get a string twice as long for that key as I'm getting using Ilearn. Unfortunately none of the ones I found work. At least this is a start. I appreciate your help! Searching around it looks like that particular command has a repeating string. Checking some samples at remotecentral.com the hex values do in fact have double length string for that button. It repeats but the ending three digit appears to be twice the value of the lst three in the first segment. I tired a simple copy with the doubled last value but it didn't work. I think I'm close.

Further research shows for that single button there is a duplicate (concatenated) string. http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/apple-aluminum-remote-codes/ I also found a similar revelation at remotecentral.com http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-discrete/thread.cgi?6290 When I iconvert-ed the hex string from remote back to global cache codes it is doubled.
38000,1,1,343,172,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,1673,343,172,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,1673,343,86,21,3732

I am confused about which of the numerous slightly varying strings iLearn generated to use and whether or not the second series' last three character string should be doubled. More importantly I would like to know what setting (or why) of iLearn is truncating the entire signal.

4/24/13 Further research: "The codes from all Apple remotes ever made are identical. The small exception is that the silver remote sends TWO codes for the Select and Play/Pause button." I just tried and 'surprise' the play/pause button does not work either. I'm a bit closer except none of the one I can find on internet searches work. iLearn does NOT copy the second string..or I'm doing something wrong with iLearn.

Rich
Edited by Rich Gibson - 4/24/13 at 10:45am
post #8303 of 9755
The iLearn would give me much longer codes than the kaseiko codes for my Denon converted to. I don't know why. They usually performed the same function, so I didn't think much of it. And not necessarily any part of it being the same. I guess perhaps there's different ways of communcating the same thing. The codes can be state secrets with some manufacturers, while others publish them.
post #8304 of 9755
post #8305 of 9755
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Anyone know if iRule can learn to control these
I see no references to "IR" or "standard IR remote" or the like, so without getting into weird DIY hacks using a contact closure, I'd say probably not.

Cheers,
SC
post #8306 of 9755
Quote:
Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Anyone know if iRule can learn to control these:

http://www.amazon.com/Lightmates-Wireless-Lights-Remote-Batteries/dp/B007SRJME8


No dice. From the ad, 90% sure that's RF not IR.
post #8307 of 9755
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

Thanks for the hint. It seems others who have found codes get a string twice as long for that key as I'm getting using Ilearn. Unfortunately none of the ones I found work. At least this is a start. I appreciate your help! Searching around it looks like that particular command has a repeating string. Checking some samples at remotecentral.com the hex values do in fact have double length string for that button. It repeats but the ending three digit appears to be twice the value of the lst three in the first segment. I tired a simple copy with the doubled last value but it didn't work. I think I'm close.

Further research shows for that single button there is a duplicate (concatenated) string. http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/apple-aluminum-remote-codes/ I also found a similar revelation at remotecentral.com http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-discrete/thread.cgi?6290 When I iconvert-ed the hex string from remote back to global cache codes it is doubled.
38000,1,1,343,172,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,1673,343,172,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,22,21,65,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,22,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,65,21,1673,343,86,21,3732

I am confused about which of the numerous slightly varying strings iLearn generated to use and whether or not the second series' last three character string should be doubled. More importantly I would like to know what setting (or why) of iLearn is truncating the entire signal.

4/24/13 Further research: "The codes from all Apple remotes ever made are identical. The small exception is that the silver remote sends TWO codes for the Select and Play/Pause button." I just tried and 'surprise' the play/pause button does not work either. I'm a bit closer except none of the one I can find on internet searches work. iLearn does NOT copy the second string..or I'm doing something wrong with iLearn.

Rich

I gave up and at the suggestion of a member at another site found out that XBMC worked on network IP through HTTP. I set it up using the XBMC JSON FRODO device and it works like a charm! Anyone want to buy a slightly used Aluminum Apple Remote?

Rich
post #8308 of 9755
Isn't there a device that can change RF to IR or Wireless?
post #8309 of 9755
Anyone having problems with Pronto Hex Codes?
No matter what I try I can't get the Itach to output a command from Hex code for my Barco 808s projector.
I even had Irule convert the codes from the CCF file and still no go.
I get the green arrows and other device codes sent to the same IR port work but nothing works with hex codes.
I feel there must be something fundementally wrong but I can't find it and the Irule folks can't either.
post #8310 of 9755
FSE, as a former CRT guy, I'll try to give you a hand.. A couple things...

1) I assume you have a factory Barco IR remote so you know that the IR receiver on the projector is enabled and working, right?

2) Have you set the 808 to IR address #0?

3) If so, are you using lighted emitters, or have you used the camera trick so you can confirm your emitter is flashing/working when you push buttons in iRule?

SC
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