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post #8341 of 9744
Noob to iRule. Came across this promising software recently and hoping it will address my 'simple' needs. smile.gif Just ordered the IP2IR.

Here's my equipment list
in the media cabinet , I have
1. Marantz CD Player
2. Panny BD
3. HK AVR 7200
4. TWC HD DVR
5. JVC Cassette Deck

In the living room (I run a 40ft cables under the floor) I have Panny VT20 (connected wireless) and B&W Speakers


My simple needs are
1. Watch movie - through AVR and surround speakers
2. Watch movie - at times through Panny BD Vierra (Netflix and such) and tv speakers bypassing AVR
3. Watch TV - most of the time I don't use the AVR and speakers and rely on the tv speakers
4. Watch TV - certain events through my AVR and speakers
5. Listen to Music - CD
6. Listen to Music - Pandora, Spottify, Shoutcast (through the BD player)


I started playing around with the trial version of the builder yesterday. With my gateway still in order, do you think I can use the IP connection of the Panny TV and Panny BD and create simple macro to turn on TV power and browse through BD menus? Or even for that do I need irule router?
post #8342 of 9744
You will have to have a Global Cache device of some kind (depending on your needs) to receive the signals wirelessly over your computer network and send the IR or serial signal to each device. The only exception would be devices that have cat5 connections and are able to be controlled via a computer network.

For example I use cat5 to control my JVC projector and IR blasters from a Global Cache device to my DVDO iScan Duo and a serial cable from the Global Cache to my Pioneer AVR. There are a lot of possibilities.

You will also need to buy some IR blaster cables and/or serial cables for appropriate devices.

The macros are easy to setup once you learn the iRule system. Watch their demo videos to learn how and experiment. There will likely be a lot of tweaking until you iron out all the bugs, but once you do it's a cool interface.
post #8343 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by kumar2k View Post

Noob to iRule. Came across this promising software recently and hoping it will address my 'simple' needs. smile.gif Just ordered the IP2IR.

Here's my equipment list
in the media cabinet , I have
1. Marantz CD Player
2. Panny BD
3. HK AVR 7200
4. TWC HD DVR
5. JVC Cassette Deck

In the living room (I run a 40ft cables under the floor) I have Panny VT20 (connected wireless) and B&W Speakers


My simple needs are
1. Watch movie - through AVR and surround speakers
2. Watch movie - at times through Panny BD Vierra (Netflix and such) and tv speakers bypassing AVR
3. Watch TV - most of the time I don't use the AVR and speakers and rely on the tv speakers
4. Watch TV - certain events through my AVR and speakers
5. Listen to Music - CD
6. Listen to Music - Pandora, Spottify, Shoutcast (through the BD player)


I started playing around with the trial version of the builder yesterday. With my gateway still in order, do you think I can use the IP connection of the Panny TV and Panny BD and create simple macro to turn on TV power and browse through BD menus? Or even for that do I need irule router?

Looks good. You can probably get away with just a single iTach. I got the wired itach unit and installed my modem and router in the equipment closet too, so the other stuff is hardwired easily also.

I have the IR blaster controlling all the non-networked components in my equipment closet, and even certain functions on the networked ones. And the 2 other ports go out to feed a tv and projector outside the closet. The iTach comes with the blaster and 3 single IR emitters. All I had to get was some extension cable for the tv and projector emitters.

Put everything else on the network that you can so you can use feedback. The $50 was well spent. Wish I had got it sooner before setting up the remote halfway. It will affect how you decide to configure it. You might be ok without it if only doing 1 zone. For 2 zones I like it because I can jump back and forth between zones without getting lost on what the other one is doing.

The TV speaker option should be fine if you're just doing one zone. I couldn't on mine because on my 2nd video zone my amp can't play the audio signal from the HDMI (typical limitation). It only passes it through. So I have to use analog from the video source to get it to the speakers. This becomes an issue because my Sony TV doesn't have a discreet way of selecting internal speaker vs. amp. I can only toggle it, so inevitably when switching zone 2 from music to TV I get the echo of analog (amp) and HDMI (tv) audio playing at the same time and have to switch it off. If that's confusing I can probably explain it better.

I'm a little disappointed to see Spotify wants $10/mo to use on my Denon. frown.gif

The iRule is working quite well with the crappy TWC cable box too as long as you program it correctly. 8300HD.

You can also have webpages embedded in iRule. This is handy if one of your components give you web-based ip control of features that are otherwise hard to program into iRule, or that have additional feedback like album art that iRule can't display otherwise.
post #8344 of 9744
OK, I tried to create a simple activity to
'watch a movie' - Switch on BD player, delay, switch on TV.

Now only my BD player is IP enabled. I could not find a IP enabled TV in the list (either IR or IR + RS232).
So I created the activity - knowing that my TV won't turn on - and synched my iphone though HTTP Gateway , port 80, and POST method (default).
After synching ... voila! when I click on the Watch a movie button on the home screen on my iphone - my BD player turns on.

Excited!!

One thing I have noticed, my wireless network has slowed in general when I access through my laptop since I connected through iRule. anyone noticed this? or is it just a coincidence?
post #8345 of 9744
BTW I thought the trial version was pretty useless. Until you have a whole bunch of IP controlled devices you're gonna need the iTach to do any sort of worthwhile testing.

I'm happy so far with the iRule but the builder and programming is a long process for me because i'm a perfectionist. But I appreciate how customizable it is.
post #8346 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

It isn't iLearn, it's the reader on the iTach. Basically it's crap.

From my experience the iTach reader is crap because it is installed poorly. I believe mine was pointing "up" in the unit.

Quick workaround is to use the circuit board out of it's case.
- take the iTach apart and slide it out of it's case. Pretty easy to do as it is just slid in the aluminium tube with rubber end caps.
- reconnect the cables
- point your remote-to-be learned at the circuit board from the top.

Long term workaround
- take circuit board out
- drill 3/8" hole in aluminium case above where the IR sensor is
- reassemble
-cover hole with electrical tape (but leave a flap so you can pull it to expose the hole)

It works well for me !
post #8347 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

Does anyone have information on using Irule with Eventghost. What I am thinking of trying to do, is use eventghost to store and trigger events with irule. This way I can store event states similar to the way harmony remotes work.

As an example, events will be defined in eventghost, called by Irule. Essentially all of the IR transmission would be done by eventghost through GC IP2IR. Is this possible? I have searched but there does not seem to be plugins for what I am wanting to try.

Eventghost rocks wiht irule. I have added eventghost with extensive functions in irule. All you need is eventghost plugin for any specific application, and just by adding simple commands like push1, push2 etc and adding it to the buttons in the irule builder and mapping those events in EG to the plugin's command you can do almost anything possible for that app.
Even though irule does not have a spotify plugin, but i was able to map it to irule, and do everything i can do on the spotify app via irule.
A lot of people in here use MCE for XBMC and other things, but there were tons of things i could not do with mce with XBMC Frodo, but with EvengGhost.. i can do almost anything by adding buttons in irule and mapping them to the eventghost plugin events.
I think EG is the way to go instead of MCE for irule.
Edited by holyindian - 4/30/13 at 3:59pm
post #8348 of 9744
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Originally Posted by bemiddy View Post

Has anyone been using any of the cheaper Chinese Android tablets for iRule?

I have been using iRule with my Nexus 7 for a few months now and loving it, but would like a secondary remote. I don't really want to spend the $200+ dollars for another nexus 7 for something that wont be used as often or for anything other then iRule. Is there a good cheaper alternative?
I started looking online and found the Ainol Novo 7 Venus, which looks the same as a nexus 7, with a slower processor @ half the price. I am looking mainly for something with the same screen res as the nexuz 7, 1280x800, so I don't need to recreate all my panels.

Any Suggestions would be great!

Thanks,
Brett

Recently i picked up three kindle fire's for 79 bucks (refurb... that were as good as new), using irule and home automation modules on them. Have mounted them on the wall and now they act as a home automation control display. Works fantastic.
post #8349 of 9744
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Originally Posted by andymo View Post

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It works well for me !

That's great it works and ingenious solution. I took it out of the case very early on but it would not work. I cradled that
puppy in my hands and rotated it, up, down, around close, far..nada. I'm having a blast configuring my system not only
for the iPad but my Galaxy S3, Tab2 7 and Tab2 10.
post #8350 of 9744
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Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

I'm looking at Add-ons - Program Add-ons under settings and there is no MCERemote Addon or XBMC.org add-ons. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Rich

To install this add-on you (remember this is for XMBC (Frodo) must do so from the Add-on Manager from within XBMC by going to:

Settings
Add-ons
Get add-ons
XBMC.org Add-ons
Program Add-ons
MCERemote
Install
post #8351 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

I'm looking at Add-ons - Program Add-ons under settings and there is no MCERemote Addon or XBMC.org add-ons. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Rich
There is a device called MCE Controller V2 that lets you send commands to a windows PC, and can be used to control almost any program that has focus. There are tutorials about it on the iRule site and a commands file that you can download with extra commands. In essence the program lets you simulate key presses on a keyboard, including combination keys. It has all of the usual play, pause, next, previous, stop, left, right, up, down, enter, etc., commands to navigate within a program and play files. And it can launch PC programs, exit programs, put your computer to sleep, and other useful things. I use it in connection with my J. River Media Center device to control that program, and with the XBMC Frodo device to control XBMC.
post #8352 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by snodric View Post

To install this add-on you (remember this is for XMBC (Frodo) must do so from the Add-on Manager from within XBMC by going to:

Settings
Add-ons
Get add-ons
XBMC.org Add-ons
Program Add-ons
MCERemote
Install

There is no MCERemote on my version of Frodo. Movie Quiz and then Netwalk Game.
post #8353 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post

There is no MCERemote on my version of Frodo. Movie Quiz and then Netwalk Game.
You can use the MCE Controller V2 device in the iRule builder to use MCE Controller to control your PC, without dealing with XBMC add-ons.
post #8354 of 9744
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Eventghost rocks wiht irule. I have added eventghost with extensive functions in irule. All you need is eventghost plugin for any specific application, and just by adding simple commands like push1, push2 etc and adding it to the buttons in the irule builder and mapping those events in EG to the plugin's command you can do almost anything possible for that app.
Even though irule does not have a spotify plugin, but i was able to map it to irule, and do everything i can do on the spotify app via irule.
A lot of people in here use MCE for XBMC and other things, but there were tons of things i could not do with mce with XBMC Frodo, but with EvengGhost.. i can do almost anything by adding buttons in irule and mapping them to the eventghost plugin events.
I think EG is the way to go instead of MCE for irule.

I did find that, but what I could not determine is a way to send IR commands from EG to the GC IP2IR, I know it can be done if I want to tackle writing a plugin for EG, but I am not a programmer so it would be a huge undertaking for me. I was hoping there would be a solution already done for EG, but it doesn't look like it.
post #8355 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

I did find that, but what I could not determine is a way to send IR commands from EG to the GC IP2IR, I know it can be done if I want to tackle writing a plugin for EG, but I am not a programmer so it would be a huge undertaking for me. I was hoping there would be a solution already done for EG, but it doesn't look like it.

I use the itach IP2IR. But let me tell u this.. for xbmc u dont need ip2ir.
Are you looking to configure xbmc or HTPC via EG.
For your computer/XBMC you gotta configure your HTPC via network gateway in ur irule app.. use ur HTPC's IP address to add the details to the app. Its the same IP you will be using for ur XBMC with a port that you have manually added to ur XBMC settings.
Trust me no amount of coding or extensive knowledge of Networking required for this.
I can do a youtube video explaining how make this work.

Your imagination can do wonders with EventGhost.. I have created playlists in JRiver media player and saved it to mpl format playlist of different genres such as rock, metal, pop, christian.. etc, created seperate buttons in the ipad for all the genres of playlist, and have added event to launch the mpl playlist with the click of these buttons.
Plus automating many other softwares that i use with my gaming HTPC.
There are already pre-created plugins in by a great team of developers at eventghost, all you gotta do is download them and add it to your eg plugin folders directory, plugins for winamp, spotify, chrome, keyboard, mouse (yes u can actually have ur ipad as touch screen mouse with EG) etc.
For the wife i can have set two buttons for KLove and Moody channel as swell directly through their website... wiht event ghost u can open streaming webpages.
Feedback is just awesome. I am learning as i go, when i started i had no clue on where to begin with, but Steve helped a lot, i needed a start, now i am learning my way through without doing coding and developing.

I'll make a video with the step by step setup and configuration on youtube by afternoon.
Edited by holyindian - 4/30/13 at 11:37pm
post #8356 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

I use the itach IP2IR. But let me tell u this.. for xbmc u dont need ip2ir.
Are you looking to configure xbmc or HTPC via EG.
For your computer/XBMC you gotta configure your HTPC via network gateway in ur irule app.. use ur HTPC's IP address to add the details to the app. Its the same IP you will be using for ur XBMC with a port that you have manually added to ur XBMC settings.
Trust me no amount of coding or extensive knowledge of Networking required for this.
I can do a youtube video explaining how make this work.

Your imagination can do wonders with EventGhost.. I have created playlists in JRiver media player and saved it to mpl format playlist of different genres such as rock, metal, pop, christian.. etc, created seperate buttons in the ipad for all the genres of playlist, and have added event to launch the mpl playlist with the click of these buttons.
Plus automating many other softwares that i use with my gaming HTPC.
There are already pre-created plugins in by a great team of developers at eventghost, all you gotta do is download them and add it to your eg plugin folders directory, plugins for winamp, spotify, chrome, keyboard, mouse (yes u can actually have ur ipad as touch screen mouse with EG) etc.
For the wife i can have set two buttons for KLove and Moody channel as swell directly through their website... wiht event ghost u can open streaming webpages.
Feedback is just awesome. I am learning as i go, when i started i had no clue on where to begin with, but Steve helped a lot, i needed a start, now i am learning my way through without doing coding and developing.

I'll make a video with the step by step setup and configuration on youtube by afternoon.

Everything you mention is good stuff, I was wanting to go a step further and use EG to track event states, so when I swtich activities, say between watching tv and watching a movie or PS3 that Irule doesn't have to turn off the tv and then back on, same with the reciever and the extender I am using. That's why I want EG to control the GC IP2IR and use Irule to send the commands to EG.
post #8357 of 9744
With the discussion around EventGhost, it makes me wonder what are the differences between using the MCEController application in iRule versus using EventGhost?

Thanks.

Mark
post #8358 of 9744


I.... must... have.... the.... codes!
post #8359 of 9744
My iRule isn't waking up my Denon AVR using network control.

It was before switching it to fixed IP. The network controls all work fine once it is turned on, so it's obviously linking up. And the Denon turns on fine from its own web interface, so that tells me it's a situation with iRule not connecting initially.

I have it set to port 23 in iRule, and the network control on the Denon is set to "Always On", meaning it should be awake and looking for that signal.

Anyone else had this problem?
Edited by CentralCoaster - 5/9/13 at 9:47am
post #8360 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

Everything you mention is good stuff, I was wanting to go a step further and use EG to track event states, so when I swtich activities, say between watching tv and watching a movie or PS3 that Irule doesn't have to turn off the tv and then back on, same with the reciever and the extender I am using. That's why I want EG to control the GC IP2IR and use Irule to send the commands to EG.

Why will your TV or other sources have to shutdown and restart while switching sources.
While watching cable, if i switch to xbox or HTPC all i have to do is go back to home screen which is activated through a single home button on every irule page and hit the xbox source button which in turn activates the denon AVR's gaming hdmi source, and turns the xbox on, the xbox button on the homepage is a link as well that takes me to a page with xbox controls and on the same page on sides i have turn off buttons for all the other components such as dish receiver, oppo BDP. It isnt hard as it sounds, just use your imagination. There is no need of EG to control all these.
post #8361 of 9744
where can I get some 'decent' documentation on feedback - what it can and can not do and such.
Their support website is not really that helpful.

This may be already voiced here, but just for the record, I feel this is a great product, but lacks good documentation and support.
post #8362 of 9744
Available feedback is going to be highly dependent on the device.

Download the feedback codes from irule for your device for starters. But on my Denon AVR, the iRule stuff is limited in usefulness. I was able to find the network protocol published by Denon that shows all the available feedback commands. My denon will output volume as MV400 or MV410, MV420, etc. It will output source as SIDVD, SIBLURAY, etc. Then in iRule you tell it the prefix of what you're looking for "MV" for master volume or "SI" for source. Then you can tell it what values to look for after that prefix, and have it display that in iRule, or even rename the receiver output to something of your choosing. When the receiver sends SIBLURAY, your iRule will be looking for prefix of SI, then looking for value of BLURAY, and then displaying "Playstation" on your remote.

Generally though, the device will only update a feedback if there is a network command affecting it. "source" feedback will update only if you change the source via network IP control, or if you query it via IP control.

Query is a command in the device tab, not the feedback tab. There are also different types of query. Query volume level, query source, etc. Generally you want to use a query on your entrance page. So when you go to your FM tuner controls, no matter from which page, it will query the receiver volume, station info, etc. Depending on what your receiver can communicate.

I think stuff hooked up by rs232 can give feedback also.

I'm only querying the AVR receiver, and it seems good enough. I don't need a cable box feedback to tell me what channel I'm watching.
post #8363 of 9744
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Why will your TV or other sources have to shutdown and restart while switching sources..

Agreed, unnecessary with discreet commands and a well organized UI.

If I'm watching tv in the bedroom and want to play music instead, I:

click home button on TV page. ( i have this on every page) tv stays on. because who knows, I could be selecting dvd or netflix.

from home screen, which i have buttons for all sources for all zones. I select Tuner or Pandora for zone 2. TV has a discreet command to power off when choosing those inputs. If the tv was already off, it doesn't know any better, doesn't care.

Now within each source page, I have a power button that kills all components that are serving just that source. Kills zone 2 receiver, and the tv.

I also have the same power button on the home screen, one for each of 3 zones.




About the only thing I'd really need logic for, is for iRule to keep track of the state of zone 2 so I can jump back into the correct page after tweaking zone 1. Currently all I get is text feedback to tell me what source zone 2 is on. The main issue with this is if I reeneter pandora, it will kill the song its on and restart pandora.
post #8364 of 9744
I have a iTach WF2SL connected to a Sherbourne PT-7030 surround processor via RS232. The remote commands works great but I can't get the feedback working. I know the unit supports feedback and I really want feedback on volume, surround mode and input. Here you can see a excerpt from the manual regarding feedback:
Here is the complete PDF file: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0172/4516/t/3/assets/sherbourn_pt-7030_RS-232_codes_2012_12_10.pdf
post #8365 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Agreed, unnecessary with discreet commands and a well organized UI.

If I'm watching tv in the bedroom and want to play music instead, I:

click home button on TV page. ( i have this on every page) tv stays on. because who knows, I could be selecting dvd or netflix.

from home screen, which i have buttons for all sources for all zones. I select Tuner or Pandora for zone 2. TV has a discreet command to power off when choosing those inputs. If the tv was already off, it doesn't know any better, doesn't care.

Now within each source page, I have a power button that kills all components that are serving just that source. Kills zone 2 receiver, and the tv.

I also have the same power button on the home screen, one for each of 3 zones.




About the only thing I'd really need logic for, is for iRule to keep track of the state of zone 2 so I can jump back into the correct page after tweaking zone 1. Currently all I get is text feedback to tell me what source zone 2 is on. The main issue with this is if I reeneter pandora, it will kill the song its on and restart pandora.

Mainly because 3 out of 5 devices in the main living area do not have discreet codes. Granted the only device that would not need the tv on is my Sonos box, but I still don't want the PS3 on if I am watching tv or listening to music. My main goal was to make it as Wife friendly as I can like my harmony remote without the need to keep the remote pointed at the devices which at times causes issues.
post #8366 of 9744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

I did find that, but what I could not determine is a way to send IR commands from EG to the GC IP2IR, I know it can be done if I want to tackle writing a plugin for EG, but I am not a programmer so it would be a huge undertaking for me. I was hoping there would be a solution already done for EG, but it doesn't look like it.

Thanks, unfortunately I have a Mac. redface.gif(
post #8367 of 9744
I've seen a few mentions here of some trying to use feedback for the Oppo103, but I was of the understanding that feedback doesn't work with Oppo and iRule.
Am I mistaken and if someone who has successfully got it to work, PM me, that would be much appreciated.

Somewhere I read (or was told) that Oppo was working with Roomie, or suggesting Roomie to their customers and that feedback was available exclusively to Roomie.
post #8368 of 9744
RS-232 feedback works fine in iRule with the Oppo Blu-ray players, but first you have to enable it by sending a special command (#SVM 3\x0d). By default the player doesn't send any useful feedback, and you can't configure this through the menu.
post #8369 of 9744
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Originally Posted by vikingpower View Post

I have a iTach WF2SL connected to a Sherbourne PT-7030 surround processor via RS232. The remote commands works great but I can't get the feedback working

Can you tell us exactly what you tried so far to get it working? The problem is the format is complicated, because lots of different information is returned at once. Displaying the text string should not be difficult, but I don't think you'll be able to decode all the flags.
post #8370 of 9744
Changing the repeat to 1 for the DVDO iScan Duo didn't change the behavior for a 4 button press command. frown.gif I even have increased the delay to 1 sec between command and the DVDO still acts like someone is hitting the button rapidly about 10 times. Very frustrating becuase this is the only command that "hangs" for the DVDO (of the ones I use with iRule...ON OFF INPUT1 INPUT2 ASPECT 16:9)

I tried to plug into the IR IN on the rear of the unit straight fro the Global Cache but it didn't see any commands at that point so I am not sure what's up there.

I am beginning to believe that that particular button press code is corrupt. Very frustrated with things right now. This is the ONLY command for the entire theater that is giving me problems. All I want to do is hit the 2.35:1 button to engage my Panamorph lens (that works) and stretch the picture via the DVDO. frown.gif
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