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post #9001 of 9745
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Originally Posted by nosdude View Post

I just purchased a DVDO iScan Duo video processor, and I am looking for feedbacks.

I would welcome any help in learning how to create one, and I'll share with the forum.
Any help is appreciated.

We use Docklight to see what the feedback is sent from equipment is. Here is tutorial: http://support.iruleathome.com/customer/portal/articles/738153-docklight-scripting-tool-tutorial

You can then send an email to support@iruleathome.com with screenshots and we can help you get the feedback all setup.



Alex
post #9002 of 9745
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Originally Posted by osupike99 View Post

iRule has released the builder with 3.3 version of the app, that now supports full resolution grid for new pages you create. Click on OPTIONS=>SETTINGS.
My Gawd! Multiple selections too.

Alex... is there a changelog online somewhere?
post #9003 of 9745
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Originally Posted by osupike99 View Post

iRule has released the builder with 3.3 version of the app, that now supports full resolution grid for new pages you create. Click on OPTIONS=>SETTINGS.




Alex

Be careful not to convert your Android templates to full res. Nothing stops you from converting the panel and then all the buttons are messed up upon syncing. Luckily I just did one panel as a test.
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

My Gawd! Multiple selections too.

Alex... is there a changelog online somewhere?

http://iruleathome.com/support/irule-release-notes5
post #9004 of 9745

Hey guys,

 

For those of you involved in the recent discussion regarding ipad 1's and iRule having difficulty the new version seems to have fixed the problems.  I have been using it all day and it is very responsive and has yet to crash or freeze.  Also some of my other apps were freezing or not working right and those are better now to.  The release notes mention something about fixing a memory leak and that would make a lot of sense as to what was wrong!

post #9005 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Bacon13 View Post

Maybe I got lucky, but I have no problem with repeating commands via IP. I have my Denon 3313 controlled via IP and the volume button on the remote works great. Push and hold and the volume goes up smoothly just like the factory remote.

It doesn't for me, not on android anyways with the 3133. I gave up on repeating volume awhile ago. Maybe I'll give the iphone a try. The denon has way too many volume steps and no way to reduce them.
post #9006 of 9745
Is the Denon module worth a damn? Does it do anything beyond just jumping into the front page of the denon app from within irule?

It'd be nice to demo it before buying. If it's the same architecture as the denon app then I guess I'll pass. But if there's some additional functionality, such as opening directly in specific pages in the denon app, such as, turn on pandora in zone 2, and go straight to the denon player view... The front pages of the denon app are cumbersome, and unnecessary once irule is setup properly.
post #9007 of 9745
I'm looking to get started with iRule, I've downloaded the trial and played around with it a bit and, at least for basic functions, it's pretty straightforward. What there doesn't seem to be a lot of information on is exactly what I would need hardware wise to actually get this to work. If there is a better place to post this please let me know or I can create a standalone thread if needed... smile.gif. It's a basic set up but I still don't know what I need as it is not clear on iRule's site what is needed for what.

Equipment:
  • Pioneer Elite SC-61 Receiver
  • Oppo BDP-103 Bluray Player
  • Sony HW50ES Projector
  • Cisco 9865HDC Cable Settop Box
  • Cisco 4642HDC Cable Settop Box


Future EQ:
  • Xbox One
  • Apple TV or some other music solution where an independant control screen is not needed? Music is all iTunes based right now on a PC.

I have a rackmounted 24 port Cisco switch that has more than enough ethernet connections for anything that may be needed. Currently the Pioneer receiver and Oppo have a hardwired ethernet connection along with an Xbox 360 that will be retired. I assume I will need an IP2IR to control IR blasters for the 2 Cisco settops, and it appears using different IR ports for each settop box will allow the individual box control I'm after. I want multiple concurrent remote connections possible, so it appears I need to stay in the itach line of Global Cache products.

For the remaining eqiupment, I'd like the best layer of control and feedback as possible. Do I need multiple IP2SL RS232's for the Pioneer receiver, Oppo BDP and Sony HW50ES, or can any or all of them have the same level of control by just the ethernet connection? My equipment is fairly common stuff around these parts, so I'm hoping you experts can set me straight as pointing 4 different remotes behind my head to "control" my theater is getting tiring. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Done Deal DR - 11/5/13 at 1:00pm
post #9008 of 9745
I'd start with IP control through the Ethernet ports on whatever equipment you have that supports it. First of all it would be free and second it would let you test those components during your iRule trial period.
post #9009 of 9745
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

I'd start with IP control through the Ethernet ports on whatever equipment you have that supports it. First of all it would be free and second it would let you test those components during your iRule trial period.

I'm pretty sure the Pioneer receiver and possibly the Oppo are IP controllable, but not 100% certain. The projector is not to my knowledge, but does have both a direct IR input and RS232 connection, and I'm assuming the RS232 input would be preferred?
post #9010 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I'm pretty sure the Pioneer receiver and possibly the Oppo are IP controllable, but not 100% certain. The projector is not to my knowledge, but does have both a direct IR input and RS232 connection, and I'm assuming the RS232 input would be preferred?

Usually RS232 is better than IR. Or hell you can do both if you are picky. I have a lot of IP/RS232 feedback built into my system but am just using IR control for the projector, and it's sufficient. I use it for switching 3d modes, night vs. day memory settings, on, off. I don't really need feedback for that.
post #9011 of 9745
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Is the Denon module worth a damn? Does it do anything beyond just jumping into the front page of the denon app from within irule?

It'd be nice to demo it before buying. If it's the same architecture as the denon app then I guess I'll pass. But if there's some additional functionality, such as opening directly in specific pages in the denon app, such as, turn on pandora in zone 2, and go straight to the denon player view... The front pages of the denon app are cumbersome, and unnecessary once irule is setup properly.

Denon Module is just like Onkyo/Integra module and is designed for use with Net/USB functions of the AVRs. So you see all the Pandora stations and select them with a touch and then see the cover art and controls.



Alex
post #9012 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I'm pretty sure the Pioneer receiver and possibly the Oppo are IP controllable, but not 100% certain. The projector is not to my knowledge, but does have both a direct IR input and RS232 connection, and I'm assuming the RS232 input would be preferred?

The best advice I received in this thread was to start small. I initially thought I needed multiple ITachs to attack my simple setup, but it turns out 1 is more than enough.

I have my Denon receiver and cable box on a port 3 blaster with a splitter attaching another blaster in the theater controlling the lighting. Projector is controlled via IP and BR player is on port 2 IR eye.

I have the option to add both the Denon and BR player to IP which I'll probably do since I was successful doing IP with the projector
post #9013 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

The best advice I received in this thread was to start small. I initially thought I needed multiple ITachs to attack my simple setup, but it turns out 1 is more than enough.

I have my Denon receiver and cable box on a port 3 blaster with a splitter attaching another blaster in the theater controlling the lighting. Projector is controlled via IP and BR player is on port 2 IR eye.

I have the option to add both the Denon and BR player to IP which I'll probably do since I was successful doing IP with the projector

I guess the main thing is that I want to avoid IR for all but the devices that I absolutely need to use it with, IR is not all that reliable and introduces a layer of lag. The problem is that I'm having a hard time ascertaining which equipment can actually be controlled via IP or RS232. I guess I will start with one IR gateway and maybe a serial gateway and go from there, I was just hoping with the very common equipment I have like the Sony HW50 projector and Oppo 103 people could tell me definitively what they are capable of.
post #9014 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I guess the main thing is that I want to avoid IR for all but the devices that I absolutely need to use it with, IR is not all that reliable and introduces a layer of lag. The problem is that I'm having a hard time ascertaining which equipment can actually be controlled via IP or RS232. I guess I will start with one IR gateway and maybe a serial gateway and go from there, I was just hoping with the very common equipment I have like the Sony HW50 projector and Oppo 103 people could tell me definitively what they are capable of.

Looking at the list of equipment, the Sony projectors and Oppo BR players only list IR and RS232. Did a quick Google search and it appears the Oppo 103 does not do IP, the Oppo 105 does. I couldn't find anything definitive on the Sony projector.

I'm not sure how your room is built, but in mine I have conduit leading to multiple areas of the room as well as the projector. To control my lighting, I just ran a 3.5MM male to female extension cable from my utility room (where ITach is located) to my theater. You can do the same thing for IR to your projector.

I'm liking IP a lot on my projector, lots of controls and response seems very fast.
post #9015 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Looking at the list of equipment, the Sony projectors and Oppo BR players only list IR and RS232. Did a quick Google search and it appears the Oppo 103 does not do IP, the Oppo 105 does. I couldn't find anything definitive on the Sony projector.

I'm not sure how your room is built, but in mine I have conduit leading to multiple areas of the room as well as the projector. To control my lighting, I just ran a 3.5MM male to female extension cable from my utility room (where ITach is located) to my theater. You can do the same thing for IR to your projector.

I'm liking IP a lot on my projector, lots of controls and response seems very fast.

Good info, thank you Larry! I just ordered one IR and one RS232 global cache itach so I can play around with it more. From iRules site it appears my Pioneer Elite supports IP direct gateway. It sounds like I may need one more RS232 gateway for the Oppo but this will at least get me started.
post #9016 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

Good info, thank you Larry! I just ordered one IR and one RS232 global cache itach so I can play around with it more. From iRules site it appears my Pioneer Elite supports IP direct gateway. It sounds like I may need one more RS232 gateway for the Oppo but this will at least get me started.

Depending on what you're looking out of the Oppo, you could just do IR.
post #9017 of 9745
^

The OPPO 103, 103D and 105 all have the potential for IP Control.

OPPO has not published the IP codes yet.

Sometime in the future they will.
post #9018 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

Good info, thank you Larry! I just ordered one IR and one RS232 global cache itach so I can play around with it more. From iRules site it appears my Pioneer Elite supports IP direct gateway. It sounds like I may need one more RS232 gateway for the Oppo but this will at least get me started.

You should consider a iTach GC-100-12. It has 2 RS232 hookups and IR. The MAJOR downside of that though is it can only connect to one handset.

I use RS232 on my Denon AVR, and IP or IR for everything else. Then there's an IR blaster in the equipment closet for all the IR equipment, but in fact I use that for a few IR commands on the denon as well.
post #9019 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

Good info, thank you Larry! I just ordered one IR and one RS232 global cache itach so I can play around with it more. From iRules site it appears my Pioneer Elite supports IP direct gateway. It sounds like I may need one more RS232 gateway for the Oppo but this will at least get me started.

When you get to the Sony, either via ir or RS232 pm me and I will help. They don't use standard methods. Hopefully I can remember what I did. I initially ran my SonyVPLW95 projector via ir, then changed to RS232 as I wanted feedback. The RS232 is a bit flakey via my Global cache, I still haven't got to the bottom of that, its either my GC100-12 or my router(leaning towards the GC100-12 as I get buffer overruns. So the timing and response of command versus reply becomes an issue). I remember the ir working with no issues.
post #9020 of 9745
Is 2 way communication via RS232 only or can IP do the same? Where does the feedback appear?
post #9021 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Is 2 way communication via RS232 only or can IP do the same? Where does the feedback appear?

I'd say it depends on the device, but you can do 2-way with IP. I do with my Yamaha AVR. The feedback appears where you place the feedback widgets.
post #9022 of 9745
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

You should consider a iTach GC-100-12. It has 2 RS232 hookups and IR. The MAJOR downside of that though is it can only connect to one handset.

I use RS232 on my Denon AVR, and IP or IR for everything else. Then there's an IR blaster in the equipment closet for all the IR equipment, but in fact I use that for a few IR commands on the denon as well.

Yeah, I really want multiple concurrent handset capability, for the minimal (for my small setup) additional cost of individual itach devices I don't see it as a big problem.
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Originally Posted by windshear View Post

When you get to the Sony, either via ir or RS232 pm me and I will help. They don't use standard methods. Hopefully I can remember what I did. I initially ran my SonyVPLW95 projector via ir, then changed to RS232 as I wanted feedback. The RS232 is a bit flakey via my Global cache, I still haven't got to the bottom of that, its either my GC100-12 or my router(leaning towards the GC100-12 as I get buffer overruns. So the timing and response of command versus reply becomes an issue). I remember the ir working with no issues.

Thanks, I will certainly take you up on that. It looks like the RS232 itach won't get here till mid next week and of course I've got some time getting initial configurations in place but I'll PM you within a few weeks or so I'm sure.
post #9023 of 9745
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

I'd say it depends on the device, but you can do 2-way with IP. I do with my Yamaha AVR. The feedback appears where you place the feedback widgets.

I didn't know there was a feedback widget in Irule...neat, I'll have to do some research
post #9024 of 9745
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Is the Denon module worth a damn? Does it do anything beyond just jumping into the front page of the denon app from within irule?

It'd be nice to demo it before buying. If it's the same architecture as the denon app then I guess I'll pass. But if there's some additional functionality, such as opening directly in specific pages in the denon app, such as, turn on pandora in zone 2, and go straight to the denon player view... The front pages of the denon app are cumbersome, and unnecessary once irule is setup properly.

I dont know about others, but i dont like it, money wasted!!
post #9025 of 9745
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

I didn't know there was a feedback widget in Irule...neat, I'll have to do some research

That's why I want 2-way on as much EQ as possible, I want as much feedback as possible from each piece. I don't know what all is possible right now, but I'm interested in at least volume info from receiver along with current listening mode info and whatever else is possible, info from Oppo on what is playing, stuff like that. If it means I need to buy another RS232 unit or two that's okay.

I'm looking forward to diving into this deeper! biggrin.gif
post #9026 of 9745
Hey guys been a long time irule user only on ipads. I just got a kindle fire 7" and I want to port my panels. I got them copies over and all but it looks terrible on my computer screen - yet looks fine on my kindle. I can't see the bottom row of buttons. Any ideas how I can fix this up? I need to modify the buttons on the bottom but I can't see them?

Thanks

Neil

EDIT: Ok I figured it out I picked the wrong device! I guess I just had to type it out to think about it more smile.gif
post #9027 of 9745
I'm working on Feedback from my Pioneer receiver via IP. I read the manual and the example they gave for a Direct TV box was to place all of the queries on the Main page Entrance, set it to repeatable with a delay of 10-15 seconds, then add the feedback widgets to the actual page you want the feedback on. I tried that procedure but have no feedback, the widgets never appear on my device's screen. I also tried to add the same feedback queries to the Entrance of my Watch TV activity and still nothing.

I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, any ideas?
post #9028 of 9745
Try clicking browse on the feedback tab and selecting community and search for pioneer. Grab what looks right and test it. That's how I got my Yamaha volume feedback working.
post #9029 of 9745
I'm not sure what the deal is... I got one of my GC RS232 boxes in and hooked it up to the Sony HW50 projector first, windshear is probably right that it will be tough because it didn't seem to respond to anything. I connected it to the bluray player and reconfigured the device to route the Oppo commands through it and it works great. The but here is that I can't get the feedback going for it either! I tried both the default codes available and user submitted and nothing.

Here's what I'm doing:
Create an Entrance at the first page of the Activity
Add all queries available for the device
Change it to repeatable with 10-15 second loop
Create a Panel off that same Activity
Add feedback widgets
Select Panel the widgets are on and select the Entrance created above in bottom left menu
Save
Update device
Open App... no feedback widgets

rolleyes.gif


Edit - the only thing strange I see is on the actual handset, under the device both the Pioneer and Oppo show "Feedbacks - no feedbacks attached". Any ideas guys?

Edit 2 - Figured out how to associate the device to the feedback and it now shows on the handset, but I still don't have any feedback widgets for the Oppo on either of the test pages I made. The Pioneer IP feedbacks are now working, a small win! smile.gif
Edited by Done Deal DR - 11/8/13 at 9:55pm
post #9030 of 9745
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

I dont know about others, but i dont like it, money wasted!!

Well I've spent a ton of time trying to make fully functional screens for pandora, and internet radio. It's tough, and the feedback is only useful once you're playing music. It's easy to get lost in the menus switching stations, even trying to use macros, they are inconsistent. And Spotify launches into the menu system, it doesn't just start playing. I don't want to have to turn the projector on or go looking in the AV closet to navigate the menus.

So now for network sources I'm using the Denon web control embedded in irule, with a few buttons on top of it.. It's not pretty but it's all there and fully functional. The irule module sounds like it'd be a little cleaner setup, I just wish I could see it in action first before buying 2 or 3 copies of it.
Edited by CentralCoaster - 11/8/13 at 10:12pm
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