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post #91 of 171
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Howdy all,

The thread has been pretty quiet lately because we reached a point in the theater construction where we need to get the cabinet maker to build the big bookcase up front, and also all of the custom baseboard and other millwork (which are all being made from a beautiful African wood called Sapele from the local eco lumber house). But, the cabinet makers are busy with the kitchen cabinetry, the bathroom cabinetry, the office cabinetry, the bedroom cabinetry.... Sigh.

So, the theater is basically in a holding pattern for a bit longer until he frees up and can build those shelves. I guess the good news is that I'll have a chance to check out the reviews on the latest crop of projectors before I make a final decision. At least the screen is on order, though! It's a Screen Research ClearPix 2 with top masking. I will supply the side masking custom.

Although there's not a lot to report, I do have a few pictures of some of the prep work for the wall acoustics. As a refresher, the exterior walls are insulated with spray foam, and all the walls are sheathed with 1/2" plywood, covered with 5/8" drywall with staggered seams and acoustical sealant at all of the edges.

Stretched fabric walls will hide all of the acoustics and speakers, so there needs to be a framework to support that fabric. We decided to build that framework out of MDF, so in the pictures that follow, you can see the MDF framework surrounding the door and window openings. We actually put in the MDF, then did the drywall afterwards. This allowed us to attach the MDF to the plywood panels for strength, and then bring the drywall up to the MDF and seal the edges with acoustical caulk. Here's a shot of the framework on the back wall, before the drywall:



The baseboard area is built out as a box which gives solid structure to attach the fabric and the baseboard, and also gives a chase to install the electrical outlets without having them poke through the fabric.

Our acoustical materials, as well as the side and rear surround speakers and one of the Velodyne subwoofers, will all attach to the walls. Once the drywall was installed and painted flat black, the contractors used KYDG's acoustics plan to lay out all the various treatments with red lines on the walls. This will make it really easy to install them when the time comes, and since we have the plywood on the walls behind the drywall, we can just screw into anyplace we need to.




The former fireplace will house one of the Seaton SubMersive HP subs. To prep for the Seaton, the fireplace flue was sealed up with cement board and fire caulking (just in case of any embers somehow making it back down the chimney from the upstairs fireplace, even though that's really unlikely since they don't share a flue). Then, the space was wrapped in MDF to give a nice uniform cavity.



Here are a couple of photos showing some of the acoustical treatments as they were being sprayed black. You can see diffusers of various types, and these are all made of polystyrene. They're natively white, thus the paint job.




The roll-down screen obviously goes up in the ceiling in front of the room. Here are a few shots of its future home. The shape is irregular because this cavity will also house the custom side masking system, as well as circuit breakers for all the low voltage wiring. In the third picture, you can see the duct chase that carries the HVAC ductwork into the front left corner of the room.





For good measure, I'll throw in a shot of me working on the wiring closet awhile back. That was a fun evening.



...and here's a shot of the cartons that have all the acoustics for the walls, plus the surround speakers and the Velodyne amps.



Finally, just a couple of overview shots showing pretty much the current state of things, and showing off the recessed lighting, which is now working!


post #92 of 171
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Originally Posted by JustMike View Post

Howdy all,

The thread has been pretty quiet lately because we reached a point in the theater construction where we need to get the cabinet maker to build the big bookcase up front, and also all of the custom baseboard and other millwork (which are all being made from a beautiful African wood called Sapele from the local eco lumber house).

A whole house of Sapele woodwork! That will be gorgeous. I'm way jealous.
post #93 of 171
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Actually, most of the house is using a mixture of Anigre and Sapele. The theater, since it needs to be a dark space, is going with primarily Sapele. Here are a couple of the doors my carpenters built upstairs. Solid Anigre framework, with Anigre veneer plywood center and Sapele accent.



post #94 of 171
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(By the way, gorgeous cabinet you built! Love the Dominoes. There are a crapload of those in my house at this point... )
post #95 of 171
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Construction of the big bookcases up front has begun! Photos to follow soon. We also have the racks in place in their final home, and work is underway to do preliminary wiring for all the speaker wires that will terminate at the Sunfire, Velodyne and Control4 amplifiers (Control4 for the distributed audio).
post #96 of 171
Wow, what a project, puts my little room to shame, but, I am a noob at this, you have to start somewhere.... subscribed!
post #97 of 171
Very cool build Mike....I just read the entire thread, great read!

The pit is awesome!....BOSS is amazing! Keep up the good work
post #98 of 171
Nice to see this moving forward. I remember checking in on your build, back when you decided to rotate the room 90 degrees and knock out some walls to make it a larger space. It is going to be one nice room when you get it done and should perform well. Keep with the pictures.
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post #99 of 171
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Thanks! The stage construction is well underway. Photos of that soon!
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Great thread! I haven't read everything as I'm at work, but I was reading the post on the subs. Thanks for going into such detail, as I finally understand what bass traps are! And I'm a little concerned about some odd angles in my room. Can't wait to see how your room turns out!
post #101 of 171
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This is a really quick posting, but I'm so pleased that I just had to dash off a quick message to share this.

This is the benefit of working with a great contractor. A great contractor will say things like, "Hey, instead of just laying the flooring straight from front to back, why don't we taper cut all the boards so that they follow the curved front of the stage."

It is a bit of extra money in labor, but this is so going to be worth it. Here's the work in progress.

post #102 of 171
Wow. That looks really great! Time consuming, I am sure, but it will be worth it in the end!
post #103 of 171
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Thanks! Yeah, it's probably an extra couple of days of installation. In the grand scheme of things, it'll definitely be worth it for the wow factor. The focal point of all those converging boards is the money seat, too.
post #104 of 171
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This is the benefit of working with a great contractor.

I had a custom home built a few years back. Tom (the builder) always said "I'm not a contractor. I am a builder". So true what you say Mike.

The floor and casework look great.
post #105 of 171
Wow. Just ... wow.

This room is going to be so stunning! I'm having a great time watching it all come together.

I love the doors, too. I haven't seen anigre used for room doors before, but why the heck not? Your craftsmen are obviously up to the challenge!
post #106 of 171
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Wow. Just ... wow.

That's funny! That's exactly what I said last night when I walked into the room and saw it!

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I love the doors, too. I haven't seen anigre used for room doors before, but why the heck not? Your craftsmen are obviously up to the challenge!

Thanks! Yes, they do beautiful work with an amazing attention to detail.
post #107 of 171
Mike your thread so far has been amazing. That last detail with the floor is going to look beautiful, but I have to say I'm really impressed with the attention you have paid to the acoustics of the space. Binary, skyline, and it looks like QRD diffusors? Wow, you must have some plan, I bet that room is going to sound absolutely incredible.
post #108 of 171
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Thanks! You're correct on all three counts on the diffusors. There are 1D and 2D QRD diffusors, although the 1Ds are only barely visible in one of the photos (under one of the 2Ds). There are also various other diffusion, absorption and reflection surfaces as part of the plan. Even the big bookcase in the front has built-in diffusion and bass trapping.

The only credit I can take for the acoustics is that I'm the one who called Keith Yates. All the rest is down to KYDG's talent and expertise. I guarantee you that I can't wait to hear it!
post #109 of 171
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Oh, by the way, you may already have noticed but I'll just point out for anybody who's interested: if you look closely in the photos of the black-painted walls, you can see areas marked out with red grease pencil. Each of the numbers there corresponds to a different acoustical treatment product or material (and also a couple of speakers and subs). You can get a sense of the plan just by noticing the variety of materials, and the patterns to their placement.
post #110 of 171
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Unfortunately over the last year I think I have developed tinnitus or something (i still have to book an appointment to have a hearing test). My family doc doesnt think its the case but its very disheartening to not be able to enjoy audio. Basically I develop a headache if I listen to audio for any amount of time at any volume I guess Ill have to spend more money on the video side of HT.

You might want to investigate whether you have hyperacusis, which is a perception that sounds (usually high-pitched sounds) are too loud and painfully so. It is thought to be an oversensitivity or collapsed tolerance to certain frequencies of sound. One theory suggests that the efferent fibers of the auditory nerve have been selectively damaged. In cases not involving aural trauma to the inner ear, theory has it that hyperacusis can also be acquired as a result of damage to the brain or the neurological system. In these cases, hyperacusis can be defined as a cerebral processing problem specific to how the brain perceives sound.

These theories are somewhat controversial. The most common treatment is Tinnitus Retraining Therapy, used to rebuild tolerance to these sounds.
post #111 of 171
Stage looks great. So does the rest. Thanks for posting.
post #112 of 171
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You might want to investigate whether you have hyperacusis, which is a perception that sounds (usually high-pitched sounds) are too loud and painfully so. It is thought to be an oversensitivity or collapsed tolerance to certain frequencies of sound. One theory suggests that the efferent fibers of the auditory nerve have been selectively damaged. In cases not involving aural trauma to the inner ear, theory has it that hyperacusis can also be acquired as a result of damage to the brain or the neurological system. In these cases, hyperacusis can be defined as a cerebral processing problem specific to how the brain perceives sound.

These theories are somewhat controversial. The most common treatment is Tinnitus Retraining Therapy, used to rebuild tolerance to these sounds.

Thanks for the concern. I have actually had a hearing test since I last posted here. My hearing is perfectly normal, which as you can imagine was a huge relief. I still have some strange problem that I need to investigate further with my doctor but I don't seem to be as sensitive to sound as before. I am starting to think its more of a migrate/headache problem than a hearing problem. I would hate to give up this hobby and my plans for a HT because I could no longer really enjoy movies. This thread and a few like it have really given me something to look forward to now that I have finished school and save for a house (try saving every penny without a rainbow to look for at the end).
post #113 of 171
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Good news! Glad to it, no pun intended.
post #114 of 171
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Thanks for the concern. I have actually had a hearing test since I last posted here. My hearing is perfectly normal, which as you can imagine was a huge relief. I still have some strange problem that I need to investigate further with my doctor but I don't seem to be as sensitive to sound as before. I am starting to think its more of a migrate/headache problem than a hearing problem. I would hate to give up this hobby and my plans for a HT because I could no longer really enjoy movies. This thread and a few like it have really given me something to look forward to now that I have finished school and save for a house (try saving every penny without a rainbow to look for at the end).

Even if your hearing measures normal you can have an ear/brain sensitivity to some sounds. Of course, sometimes what seems to be a hearing problem turns out to be something else. I'm glad your problem seems to be diminishing.

My hearing changed fairly suddenly several years ago. For a very long time I could not listen to music with lots of high-frequency content, and at times could not stand being places with a lot of high-frequency noise. Using standard tests my hearing tested fine. But I was diagnosed a few years ago as having hyperacusis, and Tinnitus Retraining Therapy seemed to help me.
post #115 of 171
GREAT theater man; makes mine look like joke! LOL...
post #116 of 171
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Thanks! This is my third room, and it definitely is a different beast from the first two...
post #117 of 171
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Just a really quick posting to show an update on the stage. I had to share this because it illustrates how awesome my construction guys are. What you're looking at is the clamping system holding the laminated front nosing in place while the glue dries. The nosing is made up of about eight or ten thin layers of sapele hardwood, bent to follow the front curve of the stage and glued and pin-nailed into place. No nails went into the outermost layer, though, so that there would be no holes that needed to be filled.

The little cleats were fixed to the floor with hot glue.



post #118 of 171
Looking sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!
post #119 of 171
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Looking sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

Thanks! Just had a look at your build photos as well. Looking fantastic! Nice job on the cabinets.
post #120 of 171
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Micro update: I just had to share this photo because it made me so happy. My builder is doing some custom inlay work on the landing of the stairway that leads down to the theater. This is not yet finished, but it shows the filmstrip border. Yes, all the sprockets are done with individual pieces of wood!

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