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post #121 of 3857
8/11/11 at 6:06pm
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Can't find the SC-57 online anywhere. Everyone gotten theirs from BB?

Got mine from my local So Cal dealer.
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post #122 of 3857
8/11/11 at 7:13pm
Sorry about the quality of my English not my first language

a/ How is to hear DTS X with 7.1 speakers

b/ Why you not invest in" Network Audio Formats" on sc- 57

Your formats out of date Examples:

LPCM- Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 20 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format to "lpcm " 96 khz 8 ch and 24 bit

How can I pay a FOR receiver $ 2,100 with old technology

Can you fix it with " firmware"
http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/term.cfm/linear_pcm

AAC - Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 16 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format to " AAC AND HE-AAC " Why not you give us new formats

AAC supports up to 96 kHz
aacPlus - Bitrate of 448kbps for 5 channel surround
Can you fix it with " firmware"

http://www.dolby.com/professional/te...-metadata.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Ef...d_Audio_Coding

WMA 9 - Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 16 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format " Windows Media Audio Professional"OR
Windows Media Audio Lossless
support audio resolutions of up to 96 kHz and up to eight discrete channels (7.1 channel surround).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio

Pioneer
You don't think it's disregard for your customers to spend every year Money for a new receiver
When the receiver Contains old formats
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post #123 of 3857
8/11/11 at 7:43pm
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If the SC-57 has not been changed to interoperate with the weird DirecTV HR-22 3D modes over HDMI, that would be another feature request. I know the SC-37 didn't work with the DirecTV 3D.

Holey Moley, this is a big deal! I was thinking about the SC-37, but feel in love with Airplay, so was looking at picking up a SC-55 next week.

The SC-37 doesn't work with Directv 3D? That's unbelievable - as that was one of the main sources I was excited to watch (with MNF in 3D this year supposedly, etc). I mean, a person can only watch Avatar in 3D so many times - the great thing about Directv is getting some new content.

But if the SC-55 won't pass the Directv 3D signal, then its back to the drawing board for me - as the main reason I'm upgrading (from the 94txi) would be to pass 3D signal - ALL 3D signals, of course.

Anybody know the answer to this - if the 55/57 will pass the 3D signal from Directv box (I have the HR24 DVR, if the newer model makes a difference)
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post #124 of 3857
8/11/11 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mags44 View Post

Anybody know the answer to this - if the 55/57 will pass the 3D signal from Directv box (I have the HR24 DVR, if the newer model makes a difference)

I actually think the HR24 is ok with this, but that the problem only resides in some weird glitch between the receiver and HR22. That said, I offer no guarantees; I have not delved into the 3d world yet.

Edit: Scratch that; I have no clue what works.
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post #125 of 3857
8/11/11 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I actually think the HR24 is ok with this, but that the problem only resides in some weird glitch between the receiver and HR22. That said, I offer no guarantees; I have not delved into the 3d world yet.

Double check the postings on dbstalk on the 3D what doesn't work forum.
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post #126 of 3857
8/11/11 at 10:22pm
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Holey Moley, this is a big deal! I was thinking about the SC-37, but feel in love with Airplay, so was looking at picking up a SC-55 next week.

The SC-37 doesn't work with Directv 3D? That's unbelievable - as that was one of the main sources I was excited to watch (with MNF in 3D this year supposedly, etc). I mean, a person can only watch Avatar in 3D so many times - the great thing about Directv is getting some new content.

But if the SC-55 won't pass the Directv 3D signal, then its back to the drawing board for me - as the main reason I'm upgrading (from the 94txi) would be to pass 3D signal - ALL 3D signals, of course.

Anybody know the answer to this - if the 55/57 will pass the 3D signal from Directv box (I have the HR24 DVR, if the newer model makes a difference)

The issue, as I understand it, is actually on the DVR side.. since the Directv boxes are HDMI 1.3, they uses an EDID check to see if the display (and AVR) are indeed compatible... this requires the Directv boxes have some knowledge about what they are connected to....

I do have HR22's, an HR 24 and a 3D tv... but the set isn't in my theater with the 57.... I will try and see if I can move the 57 to check out the compatibility..

I would imagine, however, that it should all work well..
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post #127 of 3857
8/11/11 at 10:37pm
FilmMixer,
I see that you put your Anthem MRX 700 up for sale, Was the SC-57 that much better for your set up. Thanks for your input so far on the SC-57.
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post #128 of 3857
8/11/11 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by Hey_hey View Post

Double check the postings on dbstalk on the 3D what doesn't work forum.

So is it all hddvrs, but it only works on 1080i.

Edit: I read some more; I guess the 1080i doesn't work anymore? I have no clue what works...To be honest, I have no idea about this and would love this issue to be summarized for me.
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post #129 of 3857
8/11/11 at 10:57pm
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FilmMixer,
I see that you put your Anthem MRX 700 up for sale, Was the SC-57 much better for your set up. Thanks for your input so far on the SC-57.

They are two different beasts... but I am very happy at this point with the 57..

I still need to do some more in depth listening.. but the MRX is a fantastic AVR with great amps.. the ARC is really good.

For me, I like the flexibility of MCACC (along with the tweaky ness..)

I am lucky that my sub has built in EQ, and the Anthem gains the benefit with ARC handling that chore (I would recommend to anyone with a Pioneer a look at the fairly affordable Sub EQ products out the like SMS-1, Anti Mode, etc..) Along with MCACC, I think they would offer almost all you would want in a good room correction solution...

The one thing I keep coming back to about the sound of the 57 is that it is the least "fatiguing" amp I have heard at loud volumes in my room... it is really smooth.. not dull at all, and neutral isn't a word either... just clean, punchy and nice...

As I keep promising... more to come...
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post #130 of 3857
8/12/11 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

So is it all hddvrs, but it only works on 1080i.

Edit: I read some more; I guess the 1080i doesn't work anymore? I have no clue what works...To be honest, I have no idea about this and would love this issue to be summarized for me.

Me too.... I'm especially interested (since I'm not as techy as most of you)... can I plug in my HR24 into the SC-55, then into one of the new Mits DLP (just released), or would I have to run a separate HDMI cable for just the HR24.

This is a big deal for my wife - it is hard enough for her to figure things out, but if I have to deal with multiple inputs on the TV (which one shouldn't have to - that is why we have a AVR), then I'd have to go get a universal remote - which I would rather not have to do....
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post #131 of 3857
8/12/11 at 7:40am
A question for thoose who have theese amps and have owned the previous generation.

Do you think the EQ is "better" or worse ? Please give some indication.

Why i ask is because i think the EQ on my LX83 totally fcked up the sound on my monitor audio platinum speakers.
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post #132 of 3857
8/12/11 at 12:00pm
Hello Guys,

I am a satisfed Pioneer Sc-05 owner and I am looking to upgrade because of the no 3D support.
I am looking into the Pioneer Sc-55. I am big on SQ but I really care the most the video processing. I see that Marvell Qdeo is the video processor used by Pioneer on this receiver. I want to know if anyone have an opnion on Marvell? I heard the HQV Vida on the new Yamaha's is a better processor??? Any opnions on this matter?
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post #133 of 3857
8/12/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Asvallini View Post

Hello Guys,

I am a satisfed Pioneer Sc-05 owner and I am looking to upgrade because of the no 3D support.
I am looking into the Pioneer Sc-55. I am big on SQ but I really care the most the video processing. I see that Marvell Qdeo is the video processor used by Pioneer on this receiver. I want to know if anyone have an opnion on Marvell? I heard the HQV Vida on the new Yamaha's is a better processor??? Any opnions on this matter?

The Marvell is great. The Vida as I understand it, has some extra processing for compressed HD feeds, but for upconvetsion, etc, the Qdeo is fantastic.
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post #134 of 3857
8/12/11 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

...the Qdeo is fantastic.

+1 Agree!

Asvallini,
Marvell Qdeo is in Pioneer's SC-09 AVR, Pio BDP-09, the SC-37 & Oppo 93/95 players among other devices. And it does indeed do a great job on upconverting and has some neat noise reduction tweaks. You won't be disappointed
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post #135 of 3857
8/12/11 at 4:18pm
I don't know which does it better but I think they both address streaming video quality.

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The Marvell is great. The Vida as I understand it, has some extra processing for compressed HD feeds, but for upconvetsion, etc, the Qdeo is fantastic.
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post #136 of 3857
8/12/11 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Got mine from my local So Cal dealer.

BB in Chicago (the big Magnolia store in Lincoln Park) is getting a shipment next week; I talked one of their reps into selling me the barely used floor model earlier today. Looking forward to doing lots of testing this weekend.
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post #137 of 3857
8/12/11 at 10:45pm
3 things from me:
11.2 Assignable Pre-Outs for up to 9.1 Channel Playback? Why? If I hooked this up to an amp why couldn't the receiver give me control over 11 channels. I mean it seems like the money was already spent having the 11 pre outs. Can this be upgraded over FW? Denon will smoke you if not.

Why does MCACC still not EQ the sub?

Can someone tell me the deal with this 3d thing and Directtv? Is there a resolution?
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post #138 of 3857
8/12/11 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by jhferry View Post

I mean it seems like the money was already spent having the 11 pre outs.

Nope, not really. Pre outs are only external connectors. For 11 channel operation, the AVR must also contain enough DACs for 11 channels and have enough DSP power for 11 channels.

AJ
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post #139 of 3857
8/13/11 at 5:59am
I have been watching Direct TV's four 3D channels through my Pioneer SC37 for almost a year now. Absolutly no issues. Picture and sound quality outstanding from day one!
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post #140 of 3857
8/13/11 at 8:24am
Could someone with the 55/57 check if Airplay will play on zone 2 while something else is playing on the main zone. Thanks.
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post #141 of 3857
8/13/11 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

Nope, not really. Pre outs are only external connectors. For 11 channel operation, the AVR must also contain enough DACs for 11 channels and have enough DSP power for 11 channels.

AJ

I'm Confused, doesn't the Denon 4311 have this feature? It has 9.2 speaker outputs but allows 11.2 audyssey DSX surround processing.
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post #142 of 3857
8/13/11 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The Marvell is great. The Vida as I understand it, has some extra processing for compressed HD feeds, but for upconvetsion, etc, the Qdeo is fantastic.

Great feedback. But let me ask you guys something. I have u-verse (cable tv) and it is connected to my pioneer av over HDMI. My old receiver does not upscale on HDMI sources. I see the VITA does that. Does the Marvel upscale my cable over HDMI 1080i to 1080p??
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post #143 of 3857
8/13/11 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by Asvallini View Post

Great feedback. But let me ask you guys something. I have u-verse (cable tv) and it is connected to my pioneer av over HDMI. My old receiver does not upscale on HDMI sources. I see the VITA does that. Does the Marvel upscale my cable over HDMI 1080i to 1080p??

Yes.. and it will do a great job.
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post #144 of 3857
8/13/11 at 11:51am
Just got my SC-57 from the local Best Buy. Unboxing now. More details to come.
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post #145 of 3857
8/13/11 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

Just got my SC-57 from the local Best Buy. Unboxing now. More details to come.

Congrats! Looking forward to the details.
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post #146 of 3857
8/13/11 at 5:32pm
Hi guys,

I just bought the Klipcsch THX Ultra 2 speakers and stumbled on this thread. I have a couple of questions if you can help me.

I've never been a "Seperates" guy, I wouldnt even know where to begin, but as I understand, from what I have read on the specs, and in the videos, the 57 can be used as a pre-amp, then add an additional amp at a later date. Having said that, I wanted to buy the 57, and budget for a nice amp later on.

Is what I assume correct?
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post #147 of 3857
8/13/11 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by smittygt View Post

Hi guys,

I just bought the Klipcsch THX Ultra 2 speakers and stumbled on this thread. I have a couple of questions if you can help me.

I've never been a "Seperates" guy, I wouldnt even know where to begin, but as I understand, from what I have read on the specs, and in the videos, the 57 can be used as a pre-amp, then add an additional amp at a later date. Having said that, I wanted to buy the 57, and budget for a nice amp later on.

Is what I assume correct?

Hello,
That is correct, but with Klipschs you really do not need an Amplifier owing to their Efficiency. Klipschs can put out silly SPL Levels with very little Amplifier/AVR Power. Honestly with Speakers like yours, an Amplifier is somewhat superfluous.
Cheers,
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post #148 of 3857
8/13/11 at 9:32pm
Ok, let me recap my day for you guys. At about one, I headed off to best buy to buy myself an sc-57 and some other toys. At about three, I got home and started to replace my vsx-94txh (I have pictures to be posted later). As soon as I got everything hooked up, I, naturally, turned on my iPad to play some tunes. At this point, I heard this awful static like, buzzing noise coming out of the surround right speaker. Oh dang. I wasn't too concerned, just a bit frustrated, as I thought it was from a problem stemming from the iPad. Wrong. I turned on directive, comcast, bluray, ps3, xbox, airplay, and it persisted. Clearly, I was very distraught and frustrated. I tested some things, such as inserting other speakers' wires into that surround right port, and it continued onto any speaker connected to that input. Frustration level peaked.

And at about 5, off I go again to best buy with the knowledge that they have one more sc-57 in stock. They did,and I got my replacement in fifteen minutes without any hassle. I got home, hooked it up, ran the MCACC, and listened to some football and tunes. All of this sounded great. Having never seen the GUI of any sc series, I expected better, but that isn't a major concern. Also, I tested some high outputs at various frequencies, and they ran my 4 ohm speakers perfectly. For me, and it may or may not be in my head, the sound feels cleaner than when on my 94. I'm still getting AirPlay worked out because I have two different wireless networks in my house, so it's kinda struggling to find the right one as my iPad (more on this later).

Overall, it seems very good. The Internet radio and pandora worked well. I liked how I could, by pressing one button, switch control of my iPad/iPod between the AVR and device, all while sound kept going through the receiver. Sound seems great, but at this moment. I have no front height or wides or a second sub to stretch its limits. Also, it is in a secluded area of the house, so it will take me awhile to get zones figured out.

I'm good for answering questions.
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post #149 of 3857
8/14/11 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

Ok, let me recap my day for you guys. At about one, I headed off to best buy to buy myself an sc-57 and some other toys. At about three, I got home and started to replace my vsx-94txh (I have pictures to be posted later). As soon as I got everything hooked up, I, naturally, turned on my iPad to play some tunes. At this point, I heard this awful static like, buzzing noise coming out of the surround right speaker. Oh dang. I wasn't too concerned, just a bit frustrated, as I thought it was from a problem stemming from the iPad. Wrong. I turned on directive, comcast, bluray, ps3, xbox, airplay, and it persisted. Clearly, I was very distraught and frustrated. I tested some things, such as inserting other speakers' wires into that surround right port, and it continued onto any speaker connected to that input. Frustration level peaked.

And at about 5, off I go again to best buy with the knowledge that they have one more sc-57 in stock. They did,and I got my replacement in fifteen minutes without any hassle. I got home, hooked it up, ran the MCACC, and listened to some football and tunes. All of this sounded great. Having never seen the GUI of any sc series, I expected better, but that isn't a major concern. Also, I tested some high outputs at various frequencies, and they ran my 4 ohm speakers perfectly. For me, and it may or may not be in my head, the sound feels cleaner than when on my 94. I'm still getting AirPlay worked out because I have two different wireless networks in my house, so it's kinda struggling to find the right one as my iPad (more on this later).

Overall, it seems very good. The Internet radio and pandora worked well. I liked how I could, by pressing one button, switch control of my iPad/iPod between the AVR and device, all while sound kept going through the receiver. Sound seems great, but at this moment. I have no front height or wides or a second sub to stretch its limits. Also, it is in a secluded area of the house, so it will take me awhile to get zones figured out.

I'm good for answering questions.

Thank you so much for being willing to answer questions! I have 2 of them:

1. If you have Directv, was wondering if you are having any issues passing the 3D signal through the AVR to the TV?

2. Can you use Airplay in Zone 2, while playing, say, TV in Zone 1 at the same time?
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post #150 of 3857
8/14/11 at 8:44am
Just trying trying yo get a reference.
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