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Chris.
Thanks for your reply. I tend to like gadgets. If the sound quality isn't an improvement it's probably not worth it. What sub would you recommend in that price range? The anti-mode 8033 made a huge difference in tightness. Again ,thanks for any input.

Howard
post #1382 of 3982
Hi everyone

I am new to the forum and new to the pioneer elite family.

I purchased the SC 55 and have a question. I have a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 subwoofer. When I am watching a video or cable TV i am getting subwoofer output. Meaning the signal is being detected and my subwoofer goes on.

However when I play my iPod through AirPlay or pandora radio on the receiver my subwoofer does not detect the signal and remains in standby mode and there is no subwoofer sound. The status lights on the subwoofer show that it is in standby mode. I cannot figure out or the life of me what the problem is since the sub operates as its supposed to if I am watching television or a movie through my PS3.

My system setup is as follows. Sony 55 inch 3d tv, Martin Logan Motion 12's in the front, Martin Logan Motion 8 Center Channel, and Martin Logan Motion 4's as surrounds in the back and the Martin Logan Dynamo 700 subwoofer.

Any help or advice would be appreciated and thank you!!
post #1383 of 3982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Stopsie View Post

Hi everyone

I am new to the forum and new to the pioneer elite family.

I purchased the SC 55 and have a question. I have a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 subwoofer. When I am watching a video or cable TV i am getting subwoofer output. Meaning the signal is being detected and my subwoofer goes on.

However when I play my iPod through AirPlay or pandora radio on the receiver my subwoofer does not detect the signal and remains in standby mode and there is no subwoofer sound. The status lights on the subwoofer show that it is in standby mode. I cannot figure out or the life of me what the problem is since the sub operates as its supposed to if I am watching television or a movie through my PS3.

My system setup is as follows. Sony 55 inch 3d tv, Martin Logan Motion 12's in the front, Martin Logan Motion 8 Center Channel, and Martin Logan Motion 4's as surrounds in the back and the Martin Logan Dynamo 700 subwoofer.

Any help or advice would be appreciated and thank you!!

Your mains are sen to large. No bass is being routes to them from the left and right


Have you done a full MCACC setup?
post #1384 of 3982
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post


Your mains are sen to large. No bass is being routes to them from the left and right

Have you done a full MCACC setup.

just to amplify on that when the mains are set to large, and you play in stereo, the subwoofer will NOT be used unless you set them to plus

for stereo listen, if you want to use the subs, the best thing is to set them to small and use a low crossover frequency

this is pretty much the same for all receivers for all brands
post #1385 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Zaxdad View Post

Chris.
Thanks for your reply. I tend to like gadgets. If the sound quality isn't an improvement it's probably not worth it. What sub would you recommend in that price range? The anti-mode 8033 made a huge difference in tightness. Again ,thanks for any input.

Howard

you aren't the only one who likes gadgets... me likey gadgets a LOT...

the anti-mode is a great tool, i used one for quite awhile... and was very pleased with it...

not really sure, to be honest... i haven't really looked much in that range... which svs do you have now? it's generally a good idea to have them be the same...
post #1386 of 3982
Hi

Yes a full MCACC setup was done. I have a question though, If the problem is that the mains were set to large why does the sub work when I watch tv or a video on my ps3 but not when I play music or the Internet radio? I am new to this so please excuse my newness. And again. Thanks for your help.
post #1387 of 3982
^^^

because those sources have a .1 channel (i.e. lfe)...

the 2 channel sources do not...

set your speakers to small...
post #1388 of 3982
Chris.
I can't find a model number. It was their entry level 12" box unit from around 4 years ago. You mentioned you had used an anti mode. Did you change to something else?
post #1389 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Stopsie View Post

Hi

Yes a full MCACC setup was done. I have a question though, If the problem is that the mains were set to large why does the sub work when I watch tv or a video on my ps3 but not when I play music or the Internet radio? I am new to this so please excuse my newness. And again. Thanks for your help.

because you are probably in auto and depending upon the source it (receiver) will select surround or stereo

internet radio is by default, stereo

and the PS3 will output multichannel audio and the receiver will detect it as such and the bass from the non large speakers along with the .1 channel will go to the sub
post #1390 of 3982
@zaxdad...

not familiar enough with their lineup to know, sorry... check the svs owners thread, those guys will know right away...

yea, i use an avr with audyssey xt32 now... eliminated my need for the antimode... otherwise, i'd still be using it...
post #1391 of 3982
What avr are you using now?
post #1392 of 3982
^^^

a denon a100...
post #1393 of 3982
Chris
Your discretionary income trumps my discretionary income! Thanks for your input.

Howard
post #1394 of 3982
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

just to amplify on that when the mains are set to large, and you play in stereo, the subwoofer will NOT be used unless you set them to plus

for stereo listen, if you want to use the subs, the best thing is to set them to small and use a low crossover frequency

this is pretty much the same for all receivers for all brands

Please read this
post #1395 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Goodfellas27 View Post


Please read this

Isn't this it?
post #1396 of 3982
Pioneer SC-37. When playing music in stereo mode 2 channel. How to I get my sub-woofer to play also. I cant hear my sub-woofer at all when playing music
post #1397 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Brew9 View Post

Pioneer SC-37. When playing music in stereo mode 2 channel. How to I get my sub-woofer to play also. I cant hear my sub-woofer at all when playing music

Try setting the L and R speaker size to "small", and adjust the crossover frequency if needed.
post #1398 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Brew9 View Post

Pioneer SC-37. When playing music in stereo mode 2 channel. How to I get my sub-woofer to play also. I cant hear my sub-woofer at all when playing music

Sett Sub to Plus in setting
Let your Front stay as Large

If not using "PLUS" you do not play bass from front channels
Only LFE and there is no LFE track in 2 channel music

Only Work with "stereo" and "Direkt" mode.
Plus do not work in "Pure Direct" mode because it is Pure

Plus is the same as Onkyos "Double Bass" and Denons "LFE+Main"

If I have understand Pioneer Settings after 2 weeks
post #1399 of 3982
^^^

no. do NOT do that.

set your speakers to small. start with an 80hz xover. let the sub do it's job.
post #1400 of 3982
Ok will do....... Do I set my speakers to small for everything, movies etc I am running Def tech 7004, Supercube 4000, center 2300, surrounds 800. Thx Bruce
post #1401 of 3982
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brew9 View Post

Pioneer SC-37. When playing music in stereo mode 2 channel. How to I get my sub-woofer to play also. I cant hear my sub-woofer at all when playing music

You could set you speaker to small with x-over to 80 or have them in large and sub to plus. read here
post #1402 of 3982
Thx.....Wow great info
post #1403 of 3982
Here's a guestion;

I ran Auto MCACC and the speaker volumes are all turned down, from -3 to -6. The sub I understand, I have two of em.

Logic would dictate at least one channel would be 0 and the rest set around that as a floor. In my case, one at 0 and the rest from -1 to -3. Why would it set all speakers down? There has to be something I'm missing here.
post #1404 of 3982
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Originally Posted by brianlsu View Post

Here's a guestion;

I ran Auto MCACC and the speaker volumes are all turned down, from -3 to -6. The sub I understand, I have two of em.

Logic would dictate at least one channel would be 0 and the rest set around that as a floor. In my case, one at 0 and the rest from -1 to -3. Why would it set all speakers down? There has to be something I'm missing here.

It's based on what sound level Pioneer decided the "unity" (0 dB) setting on the volume scale should be, so less efficient speakers will be attenuated less, or perhaps even a + setting, while more efficient speakers will be attenuated quite a bit. Your listening position (which is where you should place the mic during Auto MCACC setup) relative to your surroundings has a large impact on this as well, as does speaker placement in the listening environment.
post #1405 of 3982
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Originally Posted by brianlsu View Post

Here's a guestion;

I ran Auto MCACC and the speaker volumes are all turned down, from -3 to -6. The sub I understand, I have two of em.

Logic would dictate at least one channel would be 0 and the rest set around that as a floor. In my case, one at 0 and the rest from -1 to -3. Why would it set all speakers down? There has to be something I'm missing here.

As far as I know, MCACC set its value base on your room conditions. There's no "right" settings for it since every room is different and each has its own acoustic problems . Now, if you don't like the way it sounds, that's a dif story. Check this out for tips.
post #1406 of 3982
Hi all:

I hoping that someone can help. Moved to a new apartment -- renovations, etc. and ran Cat 6 through the walls. Also replaced my old Denon 5800 with the SC-57.

Having difficulty getting the SC-57 to connect to my server. Here's the setup.

Office:

Cable Modem >> Cisco E4300 router >> Cisco 24 Port Gigabit Switch >> Cat6 to wall jacks in every room

PC, Window XP, Svc Pack 3, 4TB of disk. connected to E4300, no problems with internet

**Note, before the 4300 was added to the mix -- which required putting it before the switch (see below) the PC was connected to the wall jack, cat6. Which was my ideal config.

Living Room:

Samsung 8K >> HDMI to SC-57 >> Cat6 to wall
Pioneer SC-57 >> Cat6 to wall >> HDMI to Oppp & TV
Oppo, 95 >> Connected to SC-57 via HDMI and separates >> Cat6 to wall
Cable Box (Comcast) >> hdmi to SC-57 >> Coax to cable output
power conditioner/surge protector
Sonus Faber speakers, REL sub
5.1 Bi-wire front + Zone 2 setup

Samsung TV sees the internet
Oppo 95 sees the internet, cannot find my PC


SC-57 Blind to the world. Says it has an active IP address/connection but does not cannot see the internet or find my PC.

Help?

I'm 98% confident that this is a configuration issue where I simply am not bright/knowledgeable enough to figure it out. I know that the wall jacks are live -- and the corresponding lights are active on the switch, etc.

Also the AVN software cannot find the SC-57. I did once manually assign an IP address and it said it could detect it, but then software hung and couldn't progress to the next step. (from Step 3 to Step 4)

Final notes to round things out:

1) Initially my ideal network configuration would have been:

Cable modem >> Cisco Switch >> Wall Jacks >> Cisco 4300

however, Cisco tech support tells me that the cisco 4300 has a problem with that set-up. It also needs to be direct connected to the PC for the router management software to function. Both seem oddly limited to me -- does anyone know if other wireless routers have these requirements? Again, my initial ideal setup was to simply be able to access everything through the switch and put a wireless router on each floor of the apt in the main living area (through the wall jack, back to the switch) for the best reception.

I had thought that would allow me to have the PC (connected to the wall and thus back to the cisco swtich) visible to the all of the components and allow me to use it as a digital media server.

but it seems that with that approach, I think that I would need to manually assign and IP address for the SC-57/TV/Oppo? Is that right? It is currently beyond my knowledge level but I don't think impossible with some guidance. Please let me know your thoughts if that is a better way to go?

2) Is putting of Sonus (or sim.) in front of the SC-57 a better way to go?

My desired end-state is to be able to have the 2TB (and growing) Flac content available to the SC-57. Is that best done through setting up something like XBMC, or a Sonus, or xxxx? Should I just ignore HMG?

3) or would putting an HTPC in the cabinet in the LR be the best solution. To me, that would mean:

Taking the 2TB out of the PC and putting it in a NAS device in the office. Putting a HTPC connected in the LR.

-- Still don't know how I get it to see the NAS device or my other PC from the LR (ugh)

I know that I am missing something probably quite basic, but I've done a lot of poking on the internets, and this is just not mapped out in a way that I could find. I also know that this comes close to "off-topic," but since the SC-57 is hypothetically the center of this whole enterprise, I'm hoping someone that has achieved this can help.

Please let me know any questions and thanks!

Andrew
post #1407 of 3982
Great help, thanks.

I'm working on my fifth stored setting with my "tweaking".
post #1408 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

no. do NOT do that.

set your speakers to small. start with an 80hz xover. let the sub do it's job.

If you have small speakers
Yes !

But if you have large speakers

No !

If you don't have a 3000 dollar sub most speakers do a better work
down to 40-60 Hz

For example a SVS Ultra 13" does the job better from 15-40hz
But not over that. ( if you have good speakers )
That is what a good sub is build for
post #1409 of 3982
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Originally Posted by swedmaveric View Post

If you have small speakers
Yes !

But if you have large speakers

No !

If you don't have a 3000 dollar sub most speakers do a better work
down to 40-60 Hz

For example a SVS Ultra 13" does the job better from 15-40hz
But not over that. ( if you have good speakers )
That is what a good sub is build for

Which option is best for you? Only you can decide that, depending on the placement of your Sub, capabilities of your speakers, and personal preference.

Small -or- Large Speakers:

Option 1: If you have a capable Sub, then you should let it handle all the low frequencies. In this case, you need to set the speakers to SMALL and the Sub to YES.

Option 2: If your speakers handle low frequencies quite well, then you can leave them all to LARGE. Now, if you want the Sub to output bass simultaneously with the other speakers as well, keep the Sub setting as PLUS. In this case, the crossover will decide which frequencies get additionally sent to the Sub to be output.

Option 3: If you don't want excess bass, and you want to use the Sub just for the LFE channel and for nothing else, keep speakers as LARGE and change the Sub to YES.

Option 4: If your fronts are capable of handling full-range sound and your surrounds are not, then just keep the fronts to LARGE and change the surrounds and center to SMALL and keep the Sub as YES. In this case, the Sub will be sent the lower frequencies from the surround channels. Note that when you playback stereo sources, the Sub will be inactive, since the fronts are being sent the full-range sound.

Option 5: Similar to Option 4, but having the Sub as PLUS instead of YES. In this case, the Sub will be active and will be sent the lower frequencies from the front channels as well. So, the Sub will be active even for stereo sources.

--I always set the speaker to 'SMALL'. This way, the speakers' cone doesn't have to reproduce bass; hence, freeing them for the dynamics of the music. The bass goes to the sub which is the speaker best for the job of handling bass.

LARGE are for speaker with build-in sub cones that could handle the bass with its internal x-over. Most speakers do not have this; however, the EQ in the Pioneer doesn't go below 63hz, therefore, small works best for MCACC.

My opinion: Unless you only listen to only 2 channel stereo music or have speaker with sub cone in them, set to SMALL; otherwise leave them LARGE. Let your ear be the judge!
post #1410 of 3982
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Originally Posted by DeleriumTremens View Post

Hi all:

I hoping that someone can help. Moved to a new apartment -- renovations, etc. and ran Cat 6 through the walls. Also replaced my old Denon 5800 with the SC-57.

Having difficulty getting the SC-57 to connect to my server. Here's the setup.

Office:

Cable Modem >> Cisco E4300 router >> Cisco 24 Port Gigabit Switch >> Cat6 to wall jacks in every room

PC, Window XP, Svc Pack 3, 4TB of disk. connected to E4300, no problems with internet

**Note, before the 4300 was added to the mix -- which required putting it before the switch (see below) the PC was connected to the wall jack, cat6. Which was my ideal config.

Living Room:

Samsung 8K >> HDMI to SC-57 >> Cat6 to wall
Pioneer SC-57 >> Cat6 to wall >> HDMI to Oppp & TV
Oppo, 95 >> Connected to SC-57 via HDMI and separates >> Cat6 to wall
Cable Box (Comcast) >> hdmi to SC-57 >> Coax to cable output
power conditioner/surge protector
Sonus Faber speakers, REL sub
5.1 Bi-wire front + Zone 2 setup

Samsung TV sees the internet
Oppo 95 sees the internet, cannot find my PC


SC-57 Blind to the world. Says it has an active IP address/connection but does not cannot see the internet or find my PC.

Help?

I'm 98% confident that this is a configuration issue where I simply am not bright/knowledgeable enough to figure it out. I know that the wall jacks are live -- and the corresponding lights are active on the switch, etc.

Also the AVN software cannot find the SC-57. I did once manually assign an IP address and it said it could detect it, but then software hung and couldn't progress to the next step. (from Step 3 to Step 4)

Final notes to round things out:

1) Initially my ideal network configuration would have been:

Cable modem >> Cisco Switch >> Wall Jacks >> Cisco 4300

however, Cisco tech support tells me that the cisco 4300 has a problem with that set-up. It also needs to be direct connected to the PC for the router management software to function. Both seem oddly limited to me -- does anyone know if other wireless routers have these requirements? Again, my initial ideal setup was to simply be able to access everything through the switch and put a wireless router on each floor of the apt in the main living area (through the wall jack, back to the switch) for the best reception.

I had thought that would allow me to have the PC (connected to the wall and thus back to the cisco swtich) visible to the all of the components and allow me to use it as a digital media server.

but it seems that with that approach, I think that I would need to manually assign and IP address for the SC-57/TV/Oppo? Is that right? It is currently beyond my knowledge level but I don't think impossible with some guidance. Please let me know your thoughts if that is a better way to go?

2) Is putting of Sonus (or sim.) in front of the SC-57 a better way to go?

My desired end-state is to be able to have the 2TB (and growing) Flac content available to the SC-57. Is that best done through setting up something like XBMC, or a Sonus, or xxxx? Should I just ignore HMG?

3) or would putting an HTPC in the cabinet in the LR be the best solution. To me, that would mean:

Taking the 2TB out of the PC and putting it in a NAS device in the office. Putting a HTPC connected in the LR.

-- Still don't know how I get it to see the NAS device or my other PC from the LR (ugh)

I know that I am missing something probably quite basic, but I've done a lot of poking on the internets, and this is just not mapped out in a way that I could find. I also know that this comes close to "off-topic," but since the SC-57 is hypothetically the center of this whole enterprise, I'm hoping someone that has achieved this can help.

Please let me know any questions and thanks!

Andrew

Andrew,

You most probably can't setup your system with the switch between the router and the modem.

I'm guessing that the 4300 is acting as your DHCP server for all your devices. What I see happening is that the SC-57 isn't getting a valid address from your DHCP server. It may be because the IP address you manually typed in forced the SC-57 to not ASK for a DHCP address.

I'd try these:

1. Make sure all cables are working. Swap the SC-57 cable with one you know is working. Cables can get broken easily if bent/crimped. This can really bite you in the behind if you 'Think' the cable is good and it isn't.

2. Make sure the SC-57 is set to get a DHCP address. Erase manually entered address if it exists.

3. Make sure there is no DHCP service running on the Cisco 24 port Switch. Having two DHCP servers running can cause very odd behavior on networks. I don't think this is the issue, but it is worth checking.

4. Make sure that the ports you are using on your 4300 router and 24 port switch are functioning. Sometimes the router may have a crossover or 'X' port that can cause some issues with devices.

5. For the BR player not seeing your server, check your cables 1st. Then check your BR player to see if it too has a manual IP address. If it does, remove it and allow it to get a DHCP address.

I think your problems stem from the root of 90% of all network issues DNS/DHCP. When it works your life is SOOOOO easy. When not, have fun tracking down the issue.

It really simplifies things if you have a buddy with a laptop with an Ethernet port that knows a little about networking.

Good luck,
yah.
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