Originally Posted by purdyd
anyone in the market for a receiver in this price range should consider the limitations of bass management in the pioneers and look closely at what is offered in competition
some of us have had to add other devices to properly do bass eq with Pioneers. For example, me with an expensive velodyne DD sub (built-in parametric EQ), others with velodyne's standalone sms-1, the antimode, and svs as-eq1.
after 8 years of tweaking the EQ, trying bass traps, now seriously considering another approach (svs unit), I have to say for those in the market for a one-box simple solution, it would be far easier to just get a Denon or other Audyssey AVR & be done with it
Pioneer either has to update its MCACC soon because other solutions are more powerful or continue falling behind. If you doubt me, just peek at the $10,000+ Display thread where all the big toy boys hang out. They don't talk much about amps - besides projectors, they spend much of their time discussing prepros & advanced processing from Trinnov, Dirac, Datasat, Lexicon's latest, DEQX, etc. From what I know, Audyssey is the closest us normal folk are going to come to these expensive room correction systems. I've heard a Trinnov demo & its the real mcCoy, it's uncanny what it did to the soundfield. If Audyssey is anywhere close to what Trinnov did, then it potentially is superior to MCACC. I did say potentially
some do like the sound of MCACC more than Audyssey.
Pioneer has accomplished so much with the Ice amps and this new IR class D amp but room correction EQ & advanced bass management is where it's at now and has been for several years. It's critical now with up to 11 channels. They can't keep a global X-over and no sub EQ,and be current with what's available elsewhere. All the apple goodies don't make up for this, imo. I'd trade ipad-iphone-airplay control in a nanosecond for independent X-overs & some form of sub EQ. The best audio is far more important than the cool factor of control from your cellphone
if I were in the market & looking at an SC AVR, I would also give serious consideration to the Denon 4311. imo, room correction dsp is more important than class D amps to users seeking optimal sound. class D amps are neat for bragging rights, make sense for energy efficiency, but the audio world has done just fine with class a/b amps for decades