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post #151 of 3861
8/14/11 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by Mags44 View Post

Thank you so much for being willing to answer questions! I have 2 of them:

1. If you have Directv, was wondering if you are having any issues passing the 3D signal through the AVR to the TV? I still use my Kuro, so no 3d for me. If there is any way to check to see if the signal is passing without a 3d display, tell me please. I'll check.

2. Can you use Airplay in Zone 2, while playing, say, TV in Zone 1 at the same time? I still haven't gotten acclimated to airplay yet, and I don't have Zone 2 hooked up.

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Just trying trying yo get a reference.

I have very limited to no experience. Apart from some stops at best buy, I've stuck with my VSX-94TXH through the icepower days.
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post #152 of 3861
8/14/11 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by DavidPotter View Post


That's what I figured, although I was hoping for a different answer .

So let's turn this into a request for Chris: down-mixing a multichannel input to stereo to be output to zone 2 or zone 3.

Thanks,
David

David. I was wrong.

If you set up 5.1/7.1 + Speaker B, you get a stereo down mix out of the Speaker B terminals. I have verified this.

Note though that this is different than Zone 2/3.
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post #153 of 3861
8/14/11 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by Mags44 View Post


Thank you so much for being willing to answer questions! I have 2 of them:

1. If you have Directv, was wondering if you are having any issues passing the 3D signal through the AVR to the TV?

2. Can you use Airplay in Zone 2, while playing, say, TV in Zone 1 at the same time?

1. Haven't confirmed yet. Have to drag my plasma in to the theater to check. I suspect from what I've heard about the state of things, it should work fine.

2. Yes.
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post #154 of 3861
8/14/11 at 10:39am
SC-09LX is better than SC -57

IN Sound

Why not 1 Review ON SC-57
from Hearing and experience
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post #155 of 3861
8/14/11 at 10:59am
Reviews should be out soon. They just came out.
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post #156 of 3861
8/14/11 at 11:33am
Anyone ?

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Originally Posted by SweElite View Post

A question for thoose who have theese amps and have owned the previous generation.

Do you think the EQ is "better" or worse ? Please give some indication.

Why i ask is because i think the EQ on my LX83 totally fcked up the sound on my monitor audio platinum speakers.
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post #157 of 3861
8/14/11 at 12:18pm
Hello Chris, I'm an owner of an SC-05 for the living and a VSX-03TXH for the bedroom. One thing that I would totally upgrade for (and hand one of the units down to my parents to replace their aging 1014) would be better iPod control for large libraries.

I have 12,000 songs and hundreds of artists and it's a major PITA to have to hold down a button for minutes to scroll through the hundreds of artists and thousands of albums. Oddly enough, on the 03TXH there was a way to hit left or right on the remote dial and have it skip over like 10 artists (not sure what the exact number was), which made getting from A to Z quicker. However on the 05 you guys removed that and hitting left or right navigates through the artists albums. While that makes sense in some regard, for those of us with large iPod libraries it made getting through the artists and albums more tedious.

Is there any chance of either restoring that "skip/jump" feature [my name for it] from the 03TXH? Or even better, a more full iTunes like interface which would make navigation faster through the OSD? And maybe support the Genius feature?

The OSD for the original 03TXH/SC-05 for iPods were pretty rudimentary (no album cover support). I know you've probably improved it since then but I'd love to hear what the next gen of Pioneer products will have in terms of iPod/iPhone support and navigability.

Thanks!
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post #158 of 3861
8/14/11 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post


Is there any chance of either restoring that "skip/jump" feature [my name for it] from the 03TXH? Or even better, a more full iTunes like interface which would make navigation faster through the OSD? And maybe support the Genius feature?

The OSD for the original 03TXH/SC-05 for iPods were pretty rudimentary (no album cover support). I know you've probably improved it since then but I'd love to hear what the next gen of Pioneer products will have in terms of iPod/iPhone support and navigability.

Thanks!

I would assume your iPod is backed up via iTunes? Why not stream from there?

I think it would be prohibitively expensive (in time, R&D and GUI/computational resources inside the AVR) to do what is already a available via other methods..

iTunes control via either the Remote app for an iPod touch or iPad, a Mac Book (and streamed via AirPlay) or via an Apple TV is what you are looking for... including Genius support.

I am very much of the mind that the $99 for an Apple TV is a bargain for the immense functionality it gives you..

Pioneer is excellent at making quality AVR's... I, for one, would love to see their resources stay focused on that area when there are so many elegant solutions out there..

Just my .02.
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post #159 of 3861
8/14/11 at 1:24pm
I have been trying some different things on the SC-55.

JPEG playback is worthless, they are coming out distorted in aspect with compression artifacts

maybe i am doing something wrong but that feature should simply be removed

Yes indeed, FLAC will not play through USB. It needs to be streamed from a DLNA server.

For some reason the home media gallery will not pause when streaming from a DLNA server - although the manual would make you believe it is possible
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post #160 of 3861
8/14/11 at 4:08pm
Can any other owner tell me how to output audio through my iPad to my receiver with AirPlay. It works fine with my computer, but I can't figure how to use it with my iPad.

Thanks

Edit:I got it. I have a 32 ethernet port switcher that acts as my modem, and I have my netgear thing attached to that. My SC-57 was connected to the switcher, but when I switched to the netgear router, my ipad picked it up fine.
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post #161 of 3861
8/14/11 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

Hello Chris, I'm an owner of an SC-05 for the living and a VSX-03TXH for the bedroom. One thing that I would totally upgrade for (and hand one of the units down to my parents to replace their aging 1014) would be better iPod control for large libraries.

I have 12,000 songs and hundreds of artists and it's a major PITA to have to hold down a button for minutes to scroll through the hundreds of artists and thousands of albums. Oddly enough, on the 03TXH there was a way to hit left or right on the remote dial and have it skip over like 10 artists (not sure what the exact number was), which made getting from A to Z quicker. However on the 05 you guys removed that and hitting left or right navigates through the artists albums. While that makes sense in some regard, for those of us with large iPod libraries it made getting through the artists and albums more tedious.

Is there any chance of either restoring that "skip/jump" feature [my name for it] from the 03TXH? Or even better, a more full iTunes like interface which would make navigation faster through the OSD? And maybe support the Genius feature?

The OSD for the original 03TXH/SC-05 for iPods were pretty rudimentary (no album cover support). I know you've probably improved it since then but I'd love to hear what the next gen of Pioneer products will have in terms of iPod/iPhone support and navigability.

Thanks!

I haven't tested out the scrolling capabilities, but there is a button on the front panel that says "ipod direct control", and that button allows you to use your ipod/ipad to scroll.
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post #162 of 3861
8/14/11 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by SweElite View Post

Anyone ?

I have found the newer MCACC (37 and 57) and improvement over earlier versions..

However, I learned how to use them much better than just doing the auto setup... but I am very pleased with the results so far...

And having 6 memories to switch on the fly is really cool.. so you can check out the various parts of the system if you want (phase control on/off, Pro EQ, etc...)
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post #163 of 3861
8/14/11 at 11:42pm
Thanks alot for your reply !

Im happy with my sc-37 except with the EQ and a little unsure if i should get the 57 or not.

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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I have found the newer MCACC (37 and 57) and improvement over earlier versions..

However, I learned how to use them much better than just doing the auto setup... but I am very pleased with the results so far...

And having 6 memories to switch on the fly is really cool.. so you can check out the various parts of the system if you want (phase control on/off, Pro EQ, etc...)
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post #164 of 3861
8/15/11 at 3:37am
SC-57
I can do BI-Amplifying
I have 7.1 speakers
I can connect two front speakers available from 9.1 in SC-57
Two front speakers that i have

Does it give something
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post #165 of 3861
8/15/11 at 6:04am
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I haven't tested out the scrolling capabilities, but there is a button on the front panel that says "ipod direct control", and that button allows you to use your ipod/ipad to scroll.

I have used this feature, but it would be nice to be able to use the remote and not have to keep getting up to access the iPod's features. It would also be nice if the new Pioneer receivers supported functions like the Genius feature and Genius mixes.
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post #166 of 3861
8/15/11 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

SC-57
I can do BI-Amplifying
I have 7.1 speakers
I can connect two front speakers available from 9.1 in SC-57
Two front speakers that i have

Does it give something

I don't know what you're asking, to be honest. Yes, it does output 9.1 channels, so if you have front height or front wide channels, then you can use them. If you want to biamp the fronts during a 7.1 channel output, then you can do that as well.

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Originally Posted by CarloM View Post

I have used this feature, but it would be nice to be able to use the remote and not have to keep getting up to access the iPod's features. It would also be nice if the new Pioneer receivers supported functions like the Genius feature and Genius mixes.

I agree.
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post #167 of 3861
8/15/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I don't know what you're asking, to be honest. Yes, it does output 9.1 channels, so if you have front height or front wide channels, then you can use them. If you want to biamp the fronts during a 7.1 channel output, then you can do that as well.

I agree.

i ask if i can do "Bi-T-Amping active"
Instead of 4 speakers forward, only 2 speakers working for me
The receiver has two ports Not used so
that
I will connect them to two front speakers Also
then i get 280 W to Front Speaker

Got it
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post #168 of 3861
8/15/11 at 10:36am
BEWARE: HIGH BANDWITH

As I told you guys before, I am posting pictures, and pictures I will post.

Old Vsx-94TXH


Front of SC-57



Size comparison between the two


Stylistic picture of the back panel--note the fantastic bokeh


Comparison of the back panels--sorry for my aperture being too wide


My first SC-57 in the cabinet


Unboxing the new one when the first was defective


In the cabinet


Running the MCACC


All pictures courtesy of a 5D Mark II
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post #169 of 3861
8/15/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

i ask if i can do "Bi-T-Amping active"
Instead of 4 speakers forward, only 2 speakers working for me
The receiver has two ports Not used so
that
I will connect them to two front speakers Also
then i get 280 W to Front Speaker

Got it

It won't bridge, it will bi-amp (which is of limited benefit to most.)
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post #170 of 3861
8/15/11 at 10:39am
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^^ People.... stop putting your AVR's on carpet... it is a huge static magnet!!!!!!!

This is all.
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post #171 of 3861
8/15/11 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

i ask if i can do "Bi-T-Amping active"

I don't know what that means; if it means bi-amping, then yes, but if it means tri-amping (I get that from the t), then no.

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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

Instead of 4 speakers forward, only 2 speakers working for me

Are you saying that you don't have front height or front wide channels?
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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

The receiver has two ports Not used so that I will connect them to two front speakers

The front height channel is used to bi-amp the front speakers in a 7.1 channel, the front wide outputs bi-amp the speaker B selection, and the surround back channel bi-amps either the center channel or the surround channels. Your speakers MUST be bi-ampable and have two sets of red/black speaker connectors (one high and one low). If your front height channel connectors are free, then you can connect those to the fronts and bi-amp them through the setup menu.

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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

Also then i get 280 W to Front Speaker

Technically, bi-amping does not double the power output; it does increase it, and it helps the crossover very much.

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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

^^ People.... stop putting your AVR's on carpet... it is a huge static magnet!!!!!!!

This is all.

Sorry.
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post #172 of 3861
8/15/11 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post
Technically, bi-amping does not double the power output;
Correct. Passive bi amping is generally a waste of time, particularly with an AVR that has one power supply shared among all channels.

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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post
and it helps the crossover very much.
Active bi amping (i.e. using an active crossover upstream of the amps) can provide improved crossover performance. Passive bi amping does not.

AJ
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post #173 of 3861
8/15/11 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post
David. I was wrong.

If you set up 5.1/7.1 + Speaker B, you get a stereo down mix out of the Speaker B terminals. I have verified this.

Note though that this is different than Zone 2/3.
Interesting. Thanks for the update. No line-level down-mix, though?
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post #174 of 3861
8/15/11 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by DavidPotter

Interesting. Thanks for the update. No line-level down-mix, though?
Will have to configure for zone 2 with the speakers and figure that out.
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post #175 of 3861
8/15/11 at 7:10pm
Regarding the Sirius internet feature..does anyone know if I'm already subscribed to Sirius/XM internet, that there won't be any additional charges beyond what I'm already paying? Am torn between the new 55 and a great price on a 35, but since I'm already a sirius customer that feature on the 55 might make the difference (adding a home antennae apparently jacks up the subscription price beyond the internet pricing). And does anyone have thoughts on a 35 vs 55? We're talking about twice as much.
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post #176 of 3861
8/15/11 at 9:28pm
FilmMixer

I see you have am Anthem MRX for sale. I have heard that ARC is a very good room correction system.

How do you compare it with the Pioneer SC-57?

I am debating between the 2 or may be an Onkyo 809

Thanks a lot for your answer
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post #177 of 3861
8/16/11 at 12:48am
Regarding to engineers at Monitor audio and Canton they wrote to me when i asked that it was not primarly the "extra power" that gives the biggest improvement but rather that you actually separate the bass and the highs. Then both wrote that bass signals offen affect mid and tweeter signals. Thererfore they recomended me to atleast try it.

(sorry for my bad english)

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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

Correct. Passive bi amping is generally a waste of time, particularly with an AVR that has one power supply shared among all channels.



Active bi amping (i.e. using an active crossover upstream of the amps) can provide improved crossover performance. Passive bi amping does not.

AJ
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post #178 of 3861
8/16/11 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by SweElite View Post

Regarding to engineers at Monitor audio and Canton they wrote to me when i asked that it was not primarly the "extra power" that gives the biggest improvement but rather that you actually separate the bass and the highs. Then both wrote that bass signals offen affect mid and tweeter signals. Thererfore they recomended me to atleast try it.

(sorry for my bad english)

That's what I thought as well: that you should try it and it might make a difference.
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post #179 of 3861
8/16/11 at 4:44am
I haven't had time to post hardly anything this week but have checked in on you new directFet owners. Work, a home repair & programming my fancy new MX6000 URC remote are absorbing all my time this week

I'm glad there's a lot of enthusiasm for the new AVR's and so far the change from Ice is OK

I hope to catch up before the thread gets too many more posts.
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post #180 of 3861
8/16/11 at 6:56am
Picked up the SC-57 last night at Best Buy. Even got to use the 10% off 1 item coupon. Plan on hooking it up today. This will be my first Pioneer receiver, as for the past 10 years I have bought Denon products.. Looking forward to hooking it up.
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