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post #1561 of 3857
12/12/11 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by edkotch1 View Post

I recently moved from an onkyo 805 to the sc-55.

On the onkyo, if i was playing a video source and then switched to an audio only source (like CD or PHONO). The receiver was would continue to play the video on my tv while switching the audio to CD/PHONO. This was ideal for watching sports/scores while listening to music.

Is there any way to get the sc-55 to play an audio only source (optical/coax/rca) while passing video only from another?

No unfortunately you can't. I would like them to bring it back as my old 82TXS can do this.
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post #1562 of 3857
12/12/11 at 9:23pm
Guys just hooked up my sc 55 tonight. Wow, amazing sound compared to my 92. Anyway couple things I bought the wireless LAN. Can't get it to work. I bi-amped my front speakers ran the Maac error message came up said to check connection out of phase. Checked it several times it was correct kept showing error message. So I skipped it and completed the Maac and sounds great. Anybody else have this issue or care to comment? I appreciate your feedback
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post #1563 of 3857
12/13/11 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

I hooked up an iPod to my sc55 and I am playing music from it using my iPad using icontrolav and the home media gallery interface

As long as your iPod can connect properly with the receiver, you should be able to do what you want


Do you have the current touch pad iPod with the internet/wi-fi and did you have to sync the iPad with the iPod or is the iPad2 accessing the receiver and the app is controlling the music through the receiver, no itunes involvement at all.

Drop me a reply when you can.

Tks Dave
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post #1564 of 3857
12/13/11 at 4:54am
^^^

with an itouch, you'd just stream directly from it to the avr... you wouldn't need to attempt to browse the library from the ipad...
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post #1565 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:41am
Quick question, i got the sc-55 and the oppo 95, now if i wanna use the analog stereo ouputs on the oppo which inputs should i choose for the best result?
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post #1566 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by dancel View Post

Quick question, i got the sc-55 and the oppo 95, now if i wanna use the analog stereo ouputs on the oppo which inputs should i choose for the best result?

it doesn't matter. If you only want the Oppo's hi-quality stereo output, then use CD, or whatever suits your fancy. The receiver is input neutral for 2 ch. You can apply MCACC EQ, Direct & Pure Direct modes, or surround processing to any input and they are all equal in "quality".
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post #1567 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by dancel View Post

Quick question, i got the sc-55 and the oppo 95, now if i wanna use the analog stereo ouputs on the oppo which inputs should i choose for the best result?

I don't think you can do that on the 55. Only on the 57
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post #1568 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by dancel View Post

Quick question, i got the sc-55 and the oppo 95, now if i wanna use the analog stereo ouputs on the oppo which inputs should i choose for the best result?

Sorry I read the question wrong,
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post #1569 of 3857
12/13/11 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Dave_1 View Post


Do you have the current touch pad iPod with the internet/wi-fi and did you have to sync the iPad with the iPod or is the iPad2 accessing the receiver and the app is controlling the music through the receiver, no itunes involvement at all.

Drop me a reply when you can.

Tks Dave

Yes no syncing involved

No iTunes involved

And yes the iPod touch could also stream directly through wifi and iTunes
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post #1570 of 3857
12/13/11 at 6:48am
I have a 1 week old yamaha advantage 3000 , I would trade it for a 55 or 57, I live in maryland, thanks
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post #1571 of 3857
12/13/11 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Yes no syncing involved

No iTunes involved

And yes the iPod touch could also stream directly through wifi and iTunes

Perfect. Will have to do some shopping....
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post #1572 of 3857
12/13/11 at 8:58am
I'm looking to upgrade from my Yahama RX-V2700 to one of the new Elites and have a couple of questions for experienced users of the SC-55/SC-57.

I currently have a fairly straight forward 5.1 setup in my main room (Definitive Technologies BP7000SC towers that have builtin sub, Def Tech center channel with sub, and then surrounds), but I run two other zones for audio (one in the bedroom and one set of speakers on the patio).

With the Yamaha, I could not play audio from an HDMI source in Zones 2 or 3 (examples would be my Zune hooked up by HDMI, my HTPC which is connected by HDMI, and my Directv feed, also hooked up by HDMI). This was always a big limitation for me. Does the Pioneer allow me to feed an HDMI inputted signal to Zones 2 and 3 for audio?

Second question - I can't seem to decided on whether the extra money for the SC-57 is worth it. I currently don't have my Def Tech's bi-amped, but I guess I could with the SC-57. Not sure if the Sc-55 can do this as it seems it has some limitations in terms of bi-amping. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of added benefit with the SC-57 over the SC-55. Please let me know if this is not the case.

Thanks!
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post #1573 of 3857
12/13/11 at 10:33am
^^^

1) unfortunately, no avr will do what you want to do... the only thing that will do anything close is the higher end yammy aventages, and they only do it in "party mode" (i.e. not true zone processing)... many of us wish this wasn't the case...

2) passively bi-amping (which is what you do from an avr) is completely worthless... so you can eliminate that concern from your list...
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post #1574 of 3857
12/13/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Dave_1 View Post

Perfect. Will have to do some shopping....

be aware, that the home media gallery interface on icontrolAV2 is somewhat primitive

you will not see the artwork for instance

but you can browse through by album, artist, song, etc. start, stop, skip

it can be a little slow finding a particular song as you don't have text searching capability and it can be a little slow updating

however, if you want to play an album or just listen to music and skip over a song or two it will work out just fine

airplay also works quite well and the zone control with the iOS device or android is almost a must

the SC-55 is also a player and renderer under DLNA which means if you have a DLNA server, you can use your iPAD as a DLNA remote and select wich songs you want to play, thereby bypassing the home media gallery (HMG) interface

or you can use HMG from iControlAV2 to play songe from your DLNA server which is pretty cool if you just want to listen to all of your music

you can also use icontrolAV2 to control playing of Pandora, Rhapsody, and internet radio which is a very nice feature too


There are limitations with iControlAV2, such as not being able to do any of the setup functions, not creating a pandora station or entering account information, etc.
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post #1575 of 3857
12/13/11 at 11:39am
"Quick question, i got the sc-55 and the oppo 95, now if i wanna use the analog stereo ouputs on the oppo which inputs should i choose for the best result?"
I have the OPPO 95 hooked up to an SC-37. If you have the latest OPPO firmware you can hook the delicious stereo outs of the OPPO to the MCH INputs L/R. You save yourself a pair of cables and get the benefit of the Sabres with mch.
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post #1576 of 3857
12/13/11 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by seinsmeld13 View Post

Guys just hooked up my sc 55 tonight. Wow, amazing sound compared to my 92. Anyway couple things I bought the wireless LAN. Can't get it to work. I bi-amped my front speakers ran the Maac error message came up said to check connection out of phase. Checked it several times it was correct kept showing error message. So I skipped it and completed the Maac and sounds great. Anybody else have this issue or care to comment? I appreciate your feedback


This is what happened to me... I ran MCACC a few times using a tripod and always passed the phase test. I was running MCACC for another memory assignment and got lazy and just put the mic on the back of the recliner. I then started getting out of phase errors. Used the tripod and everything was fine.

The manual says not to put mic on soft surface and now I know why.
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post #1577 of 3857
12/13/11 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

1) unfortunately, no avr will do what you want to do... the only thing that will do anything close is the higher end yammy aventages, and they only do it in "party mode" (i.e. not true zone processing)... many of us wish this wasn't the case...

Is it possible to have Zone 1, 2 and 3 all play the same source at once IF that source is HDMI on a SC-55/57? Or will it just play an HDMI source in Zone 1?

What about Pandora and the Sirium/XM internet feed - can those be sent out to Zones 2 and 3 on the SC-55/57?

I'm not really worried about not being able to play different sources at once, but rather really would like to play the same music throughout all three zones at once. I can do it now on my old Yamaha with iPod or my Logitech squeezebox as the source, since they don't connect through HDMI.
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post #1578 of 3857
12/13/11 at 12:54pm
^^^

1) no. yes.

2) iirc, yes, but i would confirm that by reading the manual... it is available for download at the pio site...
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post #1579 of 3857
12/13/11 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Pacbellguy View Post

This is what happened to me... I ran MCACC a few times using a tripod and always passed the phase test. I was running MCACC for another memory assignment and got lazy and just put the mic on the back of the recliner. I then started getting out of phase errors. Used the tripod and everything was fine.

The manual says not to put mic on soft surface and now I know why.

i used a tripod and still had a phase issue (i just skipped it and continued). I do have a mirrored wall behind the seating area (i know i know) which may be to blame. when i had the tripod height below the seatback height i did not have any problems, but to have it account for the hard glass i raised it above seat height and thats when it was creating the phase error. but it sounds better when it takes that reflective sound into consideration.
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post #1580 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by Kutter View Post


What about Pandora and the Sirium/XM internet feed - can those be sent out to Zones 2 and 3 on the SC-55/57?

Pandora yes
AirPlay yes

Can't comment on Sirius

You can only play one home media gallery thing at a time

So you could play a cd on the main zone and pandora on zone 2

But you can't play AirPlay on main and pandora on zone 2
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post #1581 of 3857
12/13/11 at 5:45pm
Hi everyone. I just got the SC-55 yesterday.

I did some Pure Direct SACD listening last night, but I wanted to get it calibrated with MCACC tonight to start trying it out on movies, CDs etc.

I usually do 2 calibrations - one for plasma viewing and one for front projector viewing. I realize that when my FP screen is pulled down in front of the plasma it changes the room acoustics quite a bit.

Well my first calibration I did with the screen pulled down. All went well. When I retracted the screen and the reflective surface of the plasma screen was exposed, I kept getting the REVERSE PHASE error on my Right Front speaker. I double-checked and the polarity of the speaker wire is correct.

Also, I am no stranger to Elite receivers and MCACC. I just retired my VSX-92TXH and auditioned an VSX-53 before sending it back and getting the SC-55.
Those other 2 receivers never got a phase error when running the MCACC program using the same speakers in the same room. Should I be concerned?

Anyway, I skipped to the next step. Perhaps the initial checks in MCACC on this receiver are more sensitive due to the Class D amps and other features. I notice that the calibration mic is definitely bigger than that of the other 2 receivers.
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post #1582 of 3857
12/13/11 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by jrlnc View Post

I just retired my VSX-92TXH and auditioned an SC-53 before sending it back and getting the SC-55.
Those other 2 receivers never got a phase error when running the MCACC program using the same speakers in the same room. Should I be concerned?

same here - never had errors with the 92TXH.

is skipping to the next step the best way to handle this?
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post #1583 of 3857
12/13/11 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by Pacbellguy View Post


This is what happened to me... I ran MCACC a few times using a tripod and always passed the phase test. I was running MCACC for another memory assignment and got lazy and just put the mic on the back of the recliner. I then started getting out of phase errors. Used the tripod and everything was fine.

The manual says not to put mic on soft surface and now I know why.

I did use a tripod. Thanks anyway.......
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post #1584 of 3857
12/14/11 at 5:55am
This is covered in your manual on Page 33. "Reverse Phase may be displayed even if the speakers are properly connected." "If the connections were right, select GO NEXT and continue." So, it's very possible to get this error even if everything is correctly connected.
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post #1585 of 3857
12/14/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Kurolicious View Post

This is covered in your manual on Page 33. "Reverse Phase may be displayed even if the speakers are properly connected." "If the connections were right, select GO NEXT and continue." So, it's very possible to get this error even if everything is correctly connected.

Thanks kurolicious.

I guess when all else fails -- RTFM!
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post #1586 of 3857
12/14/11 at 11:36am
+1 to Kurolicious...

The phase it detects depends upon timing and the frequency at which it detects phase and the interaction among speakers, room, and AVR. If it reads out of phase, double-check the connections, and if they are good just move on. The distance and group delay compensation will fix it later.
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post #1587 of 3857
12/15/11 at 11:39am
So I pulled the trigger and will be getting the SC-55 next week. Looking forward to getting it installed.

Not being able to send audio to Zones 2 and 3 for HDMI sources is a bit of a downer, especially since I hook up my HTPC and use this for Spotify. I may need to see if I can output audio from by HTPC both through HDMI and through an analogue output at the same time.

At worst I still have my Logitech Squeezebox Duet that supports Spotify through a work-around. It can be a bit finicky at times though. I have the Squeezebox hooked up via RCA's, so sending it to the other Zones should be fine (as it is on the Yammy).
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post #1588 of 3857
12/15/11 at 11:42am
anyone did a 55 vs 57 demo ? is there a difference in sound performance ?
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post #1589 of 3857
12/15/11 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by jrlnc View Post

Hi everyone. I just got the SC-55 yesterday.

I did some Pure Direct SACD listening last night, but I wanted to get it calibrated with MCACC tonight to start trying it out on movies, CDs etc.

I usually do 2 calibrations - one for plasma viewing and one for front projector viewing. I realize that when my FP screen is pulled down in front of the plasma it changes the room acoustics quite a bit.

Well my first calibration I did with the screen pulled down. All went well. When I retracted the screen and the reflective surface of the plasma screen was exposed, I kept getting the REVERSE PHASE error on my Right Front speaker. I double-checked and the polarity of the speaker wire is correct.

Also, I am no stranger to Elite receivers and MCACC. I just retired my VSX-92TXH and auditioned an VSX-53 before sending it back and getting the SC-55.
Those other 2 receivers never got a phase error when running the MCACC program using the same speakers in the same room. Should I be concerned?

Anyway, I skipped to the next step. Perhaps the initial checks in MCACC on this receiver are more sensitive due to the Class D amps and other features. I notice that the calibration mic is definitely bigger than that of the other 2 receivers.

I had the exact issue with my connection and used a tripod. I also retired my 92TXH. Anyway, the manual I believe also mentioned moving the speaker slightly as I have the front angled towards the main seating. Interesting my error was also front right.

My wife asked why I replaced the 92 receiver, she said they both look the same. Woman.....

My problem now is hooking up my wireless lan connection. Can't get it to work. Anybody hook one up with a Mac router??
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post #1590 of 3857
12/16/11 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by seinsmeld13 View Post

My wife asked why I replaced the 92 receiver, she said they both look the same. Woman.....


I've also gotten the "why do you need a new one?"
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