Originally Posted by purdyd
here is the heart of the matter, you are not speaking with clarity and objectivity
you said, pioneer has has virtually no R&D budget
that is incorrect, they spent over 33 billion yen ($432million) on R&D, I also pointed out that is down from 55 billion yen but when considered as a % of net sales, it is about the same
that is an objective statement on my part
you looked at the forward looking statement for FY12 in the audio business and neglected the statement about AVR's
you were not speaking clearly and objectively there,
I pulled out the whole quote, see the difference?
I'm being so objective I got two guys on opposite sides arguing with me, dscottj, and you
You may not agree with me and I might be a pest but I think I am pretty objective and clear
purdy, I gave it a rest, why can't you?
Plus you are 100% WRONG about attributing the "no R&D" statement to me
That was someone else, maybe ccotenj, who posted that but it wasn't me
! All I never mentioned R&D budget anymore prior to your post last night. Plus, all I did was post a response to yours, after reading the financial report and noting some interesting points in the discussion, relative to market segments. And noted how Pioneer wants to increase BD player sales but otoh seems to have problems with their latest models. Yes, I was being a bit sarcastic on the BD players, but they deserve that, considering what's been going on over the past few yrs in that area.
Find where I said that "no R&D" & I'll eat my words. Otherwise, get your posters and issues straight before you decide to debate.
"that is incorrect, they spent over 33 billion yen ($432million) on R&D, I also pointed out that is down from 55 billion yen but when considered as a % of net sales, it is about the same
BTW - I did read the yen figures, and that as a % of sales, they are about the same in 2012 as they were in 2007, 7.2-7.4%. I actually had that in my post last night but sometime in all my multiple edits (which I do a lot
) I must have deleted it. Just now, I was going to castigate you
for not reading my post since I actually thought I had posted that info last night, but just discovered that I didn't
Sorry. In the interest of complete info, IIRC, the raw r&d numbers went from 59 billion yen to 33 billion but as % sales they staying about the same. Happy?
Now it's your turn to give it a rest.
BTW - we aren't "agreeing to disagree" because there's NOTHING to disagree about with you. We're just 2 guys talking about a company, its products, strengths & weaknesses. The only thing you seemed adamant about was tired of me posting about Pioneer, the company. Not once are we disagreeing about a product or its features.
also, I was going to let it ride, now I'm not
But you couldn't be more wrong when you said you bet Jeff Bland didn't make repeated posts about the same thing. He was in every Pioneer player thread since the 05/51 posting so many times over several years that people were trying to chase him out, too. You think I'm persistent? He & Joerod had countless exchanges about statements about PQ over HDMI. Again, get your facts straight before making an assumption about what my meaning is & facts behind my posts.
I'm kind of amazed at this last post of yours after I gave you a peace offering & said I would shut up about Pioneer for awhile. You just provoked a response that didn't need provoking and for the wrong reason even
let's both move on, shall we? I have no wish to "ignore" you nor see you do the same with me since we both have can learn from each other & contribute.