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post #301 of 3982
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Guys. Please no price talk.

It is against forum rules.
post #302 of 3982
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Originally Posted by KVH View Post

The only difference between select and ultra is the size of room they are tested for.

As far as the eBay seller..... I'll just say there are no authorized ways of buying Elite gear online. I recommend buying from an authorized dealer and supporting the business in a positive way. Buying from from unauthorized online sellers only hurts the business.

While I have no problems supporting authorized sellers and local businesses. Even a rich man would be foolish to pay $2,000 dollars for something when they can find it online for $1,200, or something. That's just fact.
post #303 of 3982
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

While I have no problems supporting authorized sellers and local businesses. Even a rich man would be foolish to pay $2,000 dollars for something when they can find it online for $1,200, or something. That's just fact.

+1 agree. Pioneer as a company is getting my money in the end, and its pure business... certain authorized sellers might inflate the cost to over 20-30% and sell the item... whereas independant royalty free vendors do provide company like warranty at 20% low cost.. so why not. Its not pirated/unoriginal product.

However coming back to my original post, wanted to know my room is around 500 sq ft so i guess sc 55 suffices my need?? I see another feature of room correction in sc57 in print, is this feature present in sc 55?

P.S my apologies for talking abt prices on the forum.. I will edit that post
I know its solely upto my decision based on my requirements.. but is 57 really better than 55??
post #304 of 3982
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

+1 agree. Pioneer as a company is getting my money in the end, and its pure business... certain authorized sellers might inflate the cost to over 20-30% and sell the item... whereas independant royalty free vendors do provide company like warranty at 20% low cost.. so why not. Its not pirated/unoriginal product.

However coming back to my original post, wanted to know my room is around 500 sq ft so i guess sc 55 suffices my need?? I see another feature of room correction in sc57 in print, is this feature present in sc 55?

P.S my apologies for talking abt prices on the forum.. I will edit that post
I know its solely upto my decision based on my requirements.. but is 57 really better than 55??

I had the same question a while back.........

From Pioneer's site, what the SC-57 has and SC-55 doesn't:

BUILD
› Gold Pin Plug
› Selected Skeleton Speaker Terminals

AUDIO FEATURES
› THX® Ultra 2 Plus
Precision Distance
Front, Center, Surround, B-Speaker Bi-Amp

CONNECTIVITY
› 10 Mode Speaker Assignment


*This is all from their site. I don't know what the "precision distance" is, but the rest is pretty straight forward.
post #305 of 3982
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

However coming back to my original post, wanted to know my room is around 500 sq ft so i guess sc 55 suffices my need??

If your room is only 4 ft tall, then, yes, THX Select2 Plus will suffice.



AJ
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post #306 of 3982
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

While I have no problems supporting authorized sellers and local businesses. Even a rich man would be foolish to pay $2,000 dollars for something when they can find it online for $1,200, or something. That's just fact.

First off, the receivers don't sell for over $2,000; I don't think pricing is topical in here but the shop I bought my receiver from (not Worst Buy) charged only nominally more than the online dealers.

Plus, if I have a problem they will handle the warranty. Also, they offer in addition to the Pioneer factory warranty, a three-year dealer warranty where if the receiver dies, they will send it out for repair and give me a loaner until my receiver comes back, or will apply the full purchase price toward a new receiver.

And finally, I supported a small business where the profit goes into the local economy instead of day traders or a fly-by-night feeBay seller who will tell me I'm SOL if the AVR goes belly up.
post #307 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kimvette View Post


First off, the receivers don't sell for over $2,000; I don't think pricing is topical in here but the shop I bought my receiver from (not Worst Buy) charged only nominally more than the online dealers.

Plus, if I have a problem they will handle the warranty. Also, they offer in addition to the Pioneer factory warranty, a three-year dealer warranty where if the receiver dies, they will send it out for repair and give me a loaner until my receiver comes back, or will apply the full purchase price toward a new receiver.

And finally, I supported a small business where the profit goes into the local economy instead of day traders or a fly-by-night feeBay seller who will tell me I'm SOL if the AVR goes belly up.

In my case, I bought from bb for a significant reduction over msrp, since I am a regular there, but when I inboxes and hooked everything up, my receiver was defective. This was the same day, so I just boxed it up and took it back for another they had in stock (this is in reference to the sc-57). I just took it in, and ten minutes later I walked out with a problem free sc-57. Did I pay more than I could've from an online vendor, yes. But in the end, I paid less from shipping/repair costs.
post #308 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post
I had the same question a while back.........

From Pioneer's site, what the SC-57 has and SC-55 doesn't:

BUILD
Gold Pin Plug
Selected Skeleton Speaker Terminals

AUDIO FEATURES
THX® Ultra 2 Plus
Precision Distance
Front, Center, Surround, B-Speaker Bi-Amp

CONNECTIVITY
10 Mode Speaker Assignment


*This is all from their site. I don't know what the "precision distance" is, but the rest is pretty straight forward.
Looking at the pictures, the SC-55 doesn't have Multi Channel analog inputs, which is a must for me
post #309 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Jarrod2750
I know the 57 can power 9 channels, but the manual was unclear if you can hook up an outboard amp to achieve 11.2 via DTS Neo X. Are you forced to choose either height or wide channels or do we have the ability to run both simultaneously with an outboard amp? Thanks.
Does anyone have any insights into this? Walkamo?
post #310 of 3982
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post
If your room is only 4 ft tall, then, yes, THX Select2 Plus will suffice.



AJ
So Pioneer created SC-55 is for 4 ft tall rooms??
post #311 of 3982
It was a joke. I got it
post #312 of 3982
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

So Pioneer created SC-55 is for 4 ft tall rooms??

Can you do a modicum of research on your own? If not, if you require us to spoon feed the info to you, then here you go.

"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...ce-categories/

Do the math. Now, do you get the joke?

AJ
post #313 of 3982
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

Can you do a modicum of research on your own? If not, if you require us to spoon feed the info to you, then here you go.

"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...ce-categories/

Do the math. Now, do you get the joke?

AJ

I get that joke.. its just that i am a complete newbie, I dont want to be spoon fed, trying to read around a lot, its so much info, its fun. Getting to learn new info every other day.. Recently my center of attention is the THT subwoofer's... its a BEAST!! My viewing distance is 12' approx.. however i dont like my present A/V reciever, and i want to replace it so badly. My decent HT setup is under played due to my A/V reciever.
post #314 of 3982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jarrod2750 View Post

I know the 57 can power 9 channels, but the manual was unclear if you can hook up an outboard amp to achieve 11.2 via DTS Neo X. Are you forced to choose either height or wide channels or do we have the ability to run both simultaneously with an outboard amp? Thanks.

9 channels max... If you want 11.2, at this point, get the Denon 4311 (which is also a great AVR.)
post #315 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kimvette View Post

First off, the receivers don't sell for over $2,000; I don't think pricing is topical in here but the shop I bought my receiver from (not Worst Buy) charged only nominally more than the online dealers.

Plus, if I have a problem they will handle the warranty. Also, they offer in addition to the Pioneer factory warranty, a three-year dealer warranty where if the receiver dies, they will send it out for repair and give me a loaner until my receiver comes back, or will apply the full purchase price toward a new receiver.

And finally, I supported a small business where the profit goes into the local economy instead of day traders or a fly-by-night feeBay seller who will tell me I'm SOL if the AVR goes belly up.

I was just picking a random price point as an example. For the most part, when any receiver finally becomes available online, you can usually get it for $500 or more cheaper on the internet versus a local store (most of the time). I'm all for supporting local businesses, but I just don't have hundreds of extra dollars to throw around on everything I buy just to support local businesses who want to charge 60% or more above cost on an item.

Sadly, local shops are a dying breed and that's only going to continue. Consumers shop for the best prices. It's simple ecomomics. People want to save money and get the best prices. I'm sure when you grocery shop, you try to go to stores that have decent prices. You don't just go spend 50% more at a local store for your milk and eggs just to support said local store, same goes for me and my electronics.

That said, I'm enjoying the hell out of my SC-35 that I got for $900 dollars below MSRP!
post #316 of 3982
Funny thing happened to me listening to zone 2. It kept shutting off but zone 1 kept playing.

It appears the timed shut down feature kicks in on zone 2 even when there is music playing while the zone 1 timed shut down feature won't. Yes, it is on the manual.

And controlling zones is quite cryptic as to how to use the remote control vice the front panel.
post #317 of 3982
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

9 channels max... If you want 11.2, at this point, get the Denon 4311 (which is also a great AVR.)

Thanks for clarifying. Your response is very helpful.
post #318 of 3982
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Funny thing happened to me listening to zone 2. It kept shutting off but zone 1 kept playing.

It appears the timed shut down feature kicks in on zone 2 even when there is music playing while the zone 1 timed shut down feature won't. Yes, it is on the manual.

And controlling zones is quite cryptic as to how to use the remote control vice the front panel.

I saw that part in the manual. I use Zone 2 to power an ABUS whole home audio system, which is to be powered continuously. I did see an option for "off" - does that mean that it won't power down, or it is always turned off? If zone 2 powers down all the time, this is a huge issue - as we need there to always be a signal to zone 2.

Does anyone know the answer to this? This is DEFINITELY NOT how my 94txi works, as Zone 2 does NOT time out - and this would be a HUGE downgrade - and would ensure that I would not buy this product (even though I already ordered it and it is waiting for me to pick up at BB when I return home)

Filmmixer?

Also, I have a 6.1 setup - the owners manual doesn't discuss 6.1 systems (the old one did). The middle back channel was a "blend" of the right and left. Does the SC-55 support a center back channel?
post #319 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Mags44 View Post

I saw that part in the manual. I use Zone 2 to power an ABUS whole home audio system, which is to be powered continuously. I did see an option for "off" - does that mean that it won't power down, or it is always turned off? ?


take a deep breath, if you set the Zone2 timeout to "off" it will not timeout

i had originally set it to 30 minutes like the master zone thinking it would behave the same and not shut off if it was playing music
post #320 of 3982
^^ I have a 6.1 system hooked up to my SC-57 so would think SC-55 is capable of it also. Manual indicates which post to use for back speaker. The only question I had is it looks like the Pioneer uses the back speaker for almost all of their surround fields. The front display doesn't show which speakers are being driven but the iPhone app does. Now if sound is actually coming out of the speaker from a Dolby Digital 5.1 track, I don't know.
post #321 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

I had the same question a while back.........

From Pioneer's site, what the SC-57 has and SC-55 doesn't:

BUILD
Gold Pin Plug
Selected Skeleton Speaker Terminals

AUDIO FEATURES
THX® Ultra 2 Plus
Precision Distance
Front, Center, Surround, B-Speaker Bi-Amp

CONNECTIVITY
10 Mode Speaker Assignment


*This is all from their site. I don't know what the "precision distance" is, but the rest is pretty straight forward.

The SC55 has more limited bi-amping configurations available -- for example, you can't biamp the center channel although you can biamp front L and R. Between the SC35 and SC37, I wanted the 37. But between the SC55 and 57, I don't think the difference in price is worth it and there's nothing I have to have, although I would have liked the biamping on the center.
post #322 of 3982
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post


The SC55 has more limited bi-amping configurations available -- for example, you can't biamp the center channel although you can biamp front L and R. Between the SC35 and SC37, I wanted the 37. But between the SC55 and 57, I don't think the difference in price is worth it and there's nothing I have to have, although I would have liked the biamping on the center.

Yeah, I just got my SC-55. This is my first pioneer, so I'm trying to learn the ends and outs. I'm liking it so far, still trying to understand MCACC, it's a little overwhelming. I'm coming from Audyssey, which was much easier. I like that with MCACC you can go in and see what it did, and change stuff. With Audyssey, I would run it, and cross my fingers.
post #323 of 3982
I just bought mine... I can't wait
post #324 of 3982
Quick question, for anyone that has a SC-55/57.
I have a SC-55. I somehow got the receiver to display the volume on my TV, but when I turned it off and back on, no more volume display on the TV. How do i turn this feature back on? I looked all over the manual, and can't find any reference to my question.

Thanks
post #325 of 3982
Silly question, perhaps, but one that has me wondering. I notice one difference between the SC-55 and -57 is that the former carries THX Select2 Plus certification, the latter Ultra2 Plus. Since my understanding is that the main difference between Select and Ultra relates to room size, I struggle to understand how these two receivers, with their virtually identical amplification sections, can differ so much in their ability to fill a 3000 cu-ft room. I'm inclined to dismiss this as marketing nonsense from Pioneer, but am I missing something?
post #326 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

Quick question, for anyone that has a SC-55/57.
I have a SC-55. I somehow got the receiver to display the volume on my TV, but when I turned it off and back on, no more volume display on the TV. How do i turn this feature back on? I looked all over the manual, and can't find any reference to my question.

Thanks

Did you check the HDMI control?
post #327 of 3982
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post


Did you check the HDMI control?

Yeah, I tried messing with that. I really don't know what I did, or what to change to get it back.
post #328 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

Quick question, for anyone that has a SC-55/57.
I have a SC-55. I somehow got the receiver to display the volume on my TV,
Thanks

Are you sure the receiver was displaying the volume? I have not seen any OSD (on screen display) type functions outside of the menus. :-(
post #329 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kimvette View Post

Are you sure the receiver was displaying the volume? I have not seen any OSD (on screen display) type functions outside of the menus. :-(

If you have HDMI control enabled, then it shows the volume on the screen, but, unfortunately, it is not in dBs.
post #330 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kimvette View Post


Are you sure the receiver was displaying the volume? I have not seen any OSD (on screen display) type functions outside of the menus. :-(

Yeah, it was weird. It definitely was the volume. It was a gray box at the bottom of the screen with white numbers. It surprised me. I thought these receivers couldn't display volume on screen.....weird.
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