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post #3271 of 3982
Any suggestions on the volume sound coming through the speakers?
post #3272 of 3982
^^^

problem is, the stuff that actually DOES make a sq difference, you can't get on the pio...

i (as alluded to earlier) was a long time card carrying pioneer ho'... brand loyal to a fault... but they fell behind on their feature set (not to mention royally ticked me off with other stuff)...

i would imagine that the 55/57 are fine pieces... they don't have the feature sets that other cem's units at similar prices do though...
post #3273 of 3982
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^^^
that is using xt32 ("real" xt32, not the neutered version on the onkyo 818) with the audyssey pro kit...
however, you can get VERY similar results with xt32 alone...
the pro kit allows you to make modifications to the target curve, as well as a few other things (along with a few subjective improvements in terms of immersion, which is a place i really don't like to go... wink.gif )....
edit: steve just recently added the standalone sub-eq from svs (which was an audyssey product that essentially replicates xt32 processing on the sub) to his setup, and i'd wager that he's probably a lot more pleased using that than he was using the mcacc/sms-1 combo... if i was still in the pioneer fold, that would be the direction that i would likely go, but they can be hard to find since they've been discontinued....
there are other solutions, if you are one who really likes to get down and dirty... but i, for one, prefer not to have to work that hard... tongue.gif

Very nice. Thanks.

I'm in the lazy camp myself. That's why I was looking at the Anti-Mode: (1) it's still available; and (2) you can run it automated. Unfortunately, I haven't read anything helpful on the Cinema and the 8033S-II isn't out yet.

nice to see i'm not alone in that camp... tongue.gif

i used the original antimode with both my sc-05 and sc-09, i think i was amoungst the first to get one... i really liked what it did, it killed that beast of a peak centered around 35hz... what it doesn't do is the "rest of it"...

i haven't used the "new" one, i know people have had positive reports
post #3274 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Bigham16 View Post

Any suggestions on the volume sound coming through the speakers?

nope... that's rather odd...

have you tried doing a hard reset on the unit?
post #3275 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Goodfellas27 View Post

^^^ Maybe. Who knows
but I do tell you that it's more energy efficient with looks of power while keeping distortion low. with a THX Ultra certs.
If i cant tell the dif in sound quality, why not go with the more efficient AMP design? Pioneer Class D is still a better option IMO

If Class D efficiency was the only trade-off between the two, then I would agree with your position. So the Denon will run a bit hotter due to it's "inefficiency," I would still trade my SC-57 for XT32 with subEQ in a heartbeat.

I can't really comment on the THX Cert because I'm on my cell phone.
post #3276 of 3982
Not yet as that was going to be my last resort. Thank you.
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nope... that's rather odd...
have you tried doing a hard reset on the unit?
post #3277 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

You kind of have it wrong wink.gif
By independent crossovers, the context is as an separate crossover per speaker or channel, not the same one that applies to all speakers. Just about every competitor of Pioneer has this capability as an option. Pioneer chooses to have one crossover that applies to all speakers set to Small.
Example time - let's say you have fronts capable to 30-40 hz, center capable to 150, surrounds capable to 80; with Pioneer you have to set one crossover, probably 80 and some of the bass frequencies sent to the center will not be reproduced. With Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, Anthem, Lexicon, and others, you could optionally set mains to 60, center to say 160, surrounds to 80. Every speaker pair can have its own crossover.
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Well, then as Emily Litella said, "Never mind." I thought he wanted a different crossover point for each subwoofer when using two subwoofers.
post #3278 of 3982
Is there a way to send Pandora (or Pandora One) wirelessly from my Mac to the Pioneer using Airplay? I can send iTunes to the Pioneer, but since Pandora doesn't run through iTunes, I can't see a way to make it happen. I thought the Pandora One desktop app was going to let me do this, but it doesn't.
post #3279 of 3982
try Jamcast
post #3280 of 3982
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

If everything was equal and one was able to do direct A/B testing between the SC-57 and the 4311CI, I seriously doubt that listeners such as you and I could tell which had better "amps."

Not true, the Denon has a more muted sound than the Pioneer. It also has 62 watts of ACD power, which is pretty bad for a receiver in it's price class. I don't care about the real world material argument. It's has little power. This is the only forum i can find that makes people buy a 4311. Some of you switched because you wanna feel good about your purchase and wanna talk along with the denon 4311 is best hype talk on this forum. Brainwashed. You guys are funny.
post #3281 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Joost80 View Post

Not true, the Denon has a more muted sound than the Pioneer. It also has 62 watts of ACD power, which is pretty bad for a receiver in it's price class. I don't care about the real world material argument. It's has little power. This is the only forum i can find that makes people buy a 4311. Some of you switched because you wanna feel good about your purchase and wanna talk along with the denon 4311 is best hype talk on this forum. Brainwashed. You guys are funny.


I can say I liked my 4310 better than my SC57. I'll be jumping back to the 4520 in October. And October can't come soon enough.
post #3282 of 3982
Seriously? You just have those of us who have owned multiple Pioneer receivers and the 4311 pointing out a significant difference between the two because Pioneer refuses to get with the times regarding room correction. As a proud owner of an SC-07 and the Denon I can honestly say XT32 (even without the pro kit) is the real deal. I won't even bother addressing the power comment - both receivers hold their own in that regard. Until Pioneer gets with the times they have lost my business. That means something given I bought my first Pioneer product 36 years ago. Sorry for the rant but I'm pissed at Pioneer for doing little to improve their receivers since they introduced the SC-09, for killing the Kuro, no more ice and making crap blu-ray players the past few years.
post #3283 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Joost80 View Post

Not true, the Denon has a more muted sound than the Pioneer. It also has 62 watts of ACD power, which is pretty bad for a receiver in it's price class. I don't care about the real world material argument. It's has little power. This is the only forum i can find that makes people buy a 4311. Some of you switched because you wanna feel good about your purchase and wanna talk along with the denon 4311 is best hype talk on this forum. Brainwashed. You guys are funny.

Define the term "muted sound." Not bright enough? Or one needs to turn the volume knob up louder on the 4311 vs the SC-57 to account for some sort of attenuation? Muted sound is a subjective term. It reminds me of a term like "creamy." I personally do not know what "creamy" or "muted" sound acutally sounds like. One thing is factual... XT32 has more EQ flexibility.

I own a SC-57 and don't feel good about my purchase. However, I understand your desire to defend your purchase.
post #3284 of 3982
Obviously this isn't a specific SC-5X question ....

I'm new to watching TV broadcasts in 5.1, and I've been surprised how little sub-80 Hz content (my cross-over setting) there has been. My subwoofer is set to turn off-and-on depending on the presence/absence of an LFE signal, and I've been surprised how often it has itself set off. For example, I've been watching a lot of the Euro soccer HD braodcasts and my sub has been off for like 80% or more of the time for each game. I have my SC-57 set to auto-surround and its display shows Dolby Digital for the broadcasts.

Is there really that little sub-80 Hz content or should I be concerned about my set-up? Would the volume make a difference? I've been listening to the broadcasts at fairly low volumes.

Finally - if my sub is going to turn off and on more than I expected when set to Auto-On, would it be better to just shut it on and off manually (one time each) when watching TV?

Thanks,
JD
post #3285 of 3982
^^^

yup, you hit it on the head... there really isn't much sub 80hz info in a "normal" sports broadcast (or many other broadcasts, ftm)...

i just leave my subs on all the time...
post #3286 of 3982
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Originally Posted by jd_alpha View Post

Obviously this isn't a specific SC-5X question ....
I'm new to watching TV broadcasts in 5.1, and I've been surprised how little sub-80 Hz content (my cross-over setting) there has been. My subwoofer is set to turn off-and-on depending on the presence/absence of an LFE signal, and I've been surprised how often it has itself set off. For example, I've been watching a lot of the Euro soccer HD braodcasts and my sub has been off for like 80% or more of the time for each game. I have my SC-57 set to auto-surround and its display shows Dolby Digital for the broadcasts.
Is there really that little sub-80 Hz content or should I be concerned about my set-up? Would the volume make a difference? I've been listening to the broadcasts at fairly low volumes.
Finally - if my sub is going to turn off and on more than I expected when set to Auto-On, would it be better to just shut it on and off manually (one time each) when watching TV?
Thanks,
JD

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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
yup, you hit it on the head... there really isn't much sub 80hz info in a "normal" sports broadcast (or many other broadcasts, ftm)...
i just leave my subs on all the time...

Yep. Me too. About the only thing you can really do to try to "force" the subs to kick on automatically at lower volumes is to reduce the manual volume control on the sub. That way, when you run the calibration program, you force the receiver to rebalance volume across channels by sending a stronger signal to the sub to compensate for the manual reduction. I'm not necessarily advocating this, but it is one way to get the sub to kick on sooner. Checking the volume setting on the sub in the MCACC set up is probably a good thing to do in any event. If you have the manual setting on the sub set too high, and MCACC is using a low negative number to rebalance, that could be another reason why the sub isn't kicking on automatically. The receiver simply isn't sending it much of a signal.
post #3287 of 3982
if you can afford an elite avr. The speakers xo should not be that far apart in a correctly matched system. Using the lowest xo on speakers does not alway equate to better SQ. That is why THX uses just one xo. IMO MCACC matches frequencies, helps with standing waves and really ties a system up very nicely. The one thing I wished it had was EQ for the sub, but for me that is no big deal since sub placement is the biggest factor to get good bass.
post #3288 of 3982
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Originally Posted by jimjr View Post

Yep. Me too. About the only thing you can really do to try to "force" the subs to kick on automatically at lower volumes is to reduce the manual volume control on the sub. That way, when you run the calibration program, you force the receiver to rebalance volume across channels by sending a stronger signal to the sub to compensate for the manual reduction. I'm not necessarily advocating this, but it is one way to get the sub to kick on sooner. Checking the volume setting on the sub in the MCACC set up is probably a good thing to do in any event. If you have the manual setting on the sub set too high, and MCACC is using a low negative number to rebalance, that could be another reason why the sub isn't kicking on automatically. The receiver simply isn't sending it much of a signal.

You can use a y-connector to the sub. and set speakers to small. My subs are alway on with the speakers set to small. I did not prefer the subs cutting on and off with the speakers set to Large.
post #3289 of 3982
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

if you can afford an elite avr. The speakers xo should not be that far apart in a correctly matched system. Using the lowest xo on speakers does not alway equate to better SQ. That is why THX uses just one xo. IMO MCACC matches frequencies, helps with standing waves and really ties a system up very nicely. The one thing I wished it had was EQ for the sub, but for me that is no big deal since sub placement is the biggest factor to get good bass.
totally agree. MCACC works great with my Mythos ST, plus i like what Pioneer is doing with their THX Class D amps.
post #3290 of 3982
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

You can use a y-connector to the sub. and set speakers to small. My subs are alway on with the speakers set to small. I did not prefer the subs cutting on and off with the speakers set to Large.

Unfortunately, like most of the issues that come up from time to time, this is not a one-size-fits-all solution. My speakers are also set to small and my subs still do not always kick on automatically.
post #3291 of 3982
For the basher of Pioneer, there is a Denon forum. Most of the Pionner Elite owner are very happy with there avr's. I listen to my ears and my Pioneer Elites is oh so sweet and I have great bass. I have had nothing but complements and other people wanting to switch to Pioneer. Some people just like to be heard! AVR's are like ice cream, get the flavor you like but, don't put down someone else with a different choic and keep spending your money!
post #3292 of 3982
Well, I haven't read all 110 pages...yet!...but I'm the proud new owner of an SC-55, which replaces a VSX-53TX. I'm not *that* brand loyal, but in my area this was the absolute best bang for the buck deal going so I ended up with another Elite. The '53 died on me three times, but I fault my 1970's house's wiring and frequent power surges more than the receiver itself. I think I got a pretty good deal on the new one from a local licensed dealer, along with a good surge suppressor (crosses fingers it does it's job). So far setup has been easy, the sound is quite good through my NHT 2.9's, but I'm wondering how the hell I adjust bass, mids and treble. Or lows and highs, or anything.
post #3293 of 3982
Assuming it still uses the same nine-band EQ as my SC-27, you can go into manual setup and tweak away. Check the manual; you might want to download it so it's easier to search.
post #3294 of 3982
I have the wireless lan AS-Wl300. I had it working on my iPad but wasn't able to get it working on my iPhone. I understand you press the WPS button on the router then the button on the rear of the AS. From there where do I find the IP address number to enter on my iPad? Any help would be appreciated.
post #3295 of 3982
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Originally Posted by seinsmeld13 View Post

I have the wireless lan AS-Wl300. I had it working on my iPad but wasn't able to get it working on my iPhone. I understand you press the WPS button on the router then the button on the rear of the AS. From there where do I find the IP address number to enter on my iPad? Any help would be appreciated.

You should not need the ip address as the receiver will broadcast its presence

However, if you want to try the ip address, see page 80 of your manual

(a tip, put the manual on your iPad and you can easily search)

Please note that unless you specify the address on your receiver, it can change

Does iTunes work from you iPhone?

I suggest you turn network standby off, turn the receiver off then back on

Also close the icontrol av app, (four finger uoswipe to find app on lower row, press and hold on app, touch red minus sign)

Now try again

I also suggest you download the latest firmware for the sc5x
post #3296 of 3982
Purdyd, that did it, thanks so much, you are brilliant. Network standby was on. I also closed and reopened the app.
post #3297 of 3982
Thanks DonH50, I was overloaded with info from the manual and missed everything about how to EQ.

Next question : I've done a few searches and read a bunch of this thread but haven't found anything yet...but is there a way to run video and another audio source at the same time? I want to run video, either through my cable box or another source like my XBox, while streaming audio through iTunes. I was able to do this with my previous setup. Would this require a separate audio out from my cable box to the receiver? I only have a single HDMI cable going from the cable box to my SC-55. This seems like it should be easy to figure out but for the life of me I can't get it going. Whenever I switch to Airplay the video channel also switches to the on screen display.
post #3298 of 3982
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Originally Posted by seinsmeld13 View Post

Purdyd, that did it, thanks so much, you are brilliant. Network standby was on. I also closed and reopened the app.

Now that it works

Turn network standby back on so you can remotely start it up
post #3299 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kush70 View Post

Thanks DonH50, I was overloaded with info from the manual and missed everything about how to EQ.
Next question : I've done a few searches and read a bunch of this thread but haven't found anything yet...but is there a way to run video and another audio source at the same time? I want to run video, either through my cable box or another source like my XBox, while streaming audio through iTunes. I was able to do this with my previous setup. Would this require a separate audio out from my cable box to the receiver? I only have a single HDMI cable going from the cable box to my SC-55. This seems like it should be easy to figure out but for the life of me I can't get it going. Whenever I switch to Airplay the video channel also switches to the on screen display.

Yes, you can run video and AirPlay, to zone 2

But you can't run video and AirPlay from the same zone
post #3300 of 3982
Thanks purdyd. Works great. Where are you located in CA? I have a brother in San Clemente.
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