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post #3301 of 3982
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Yes, you can run video and AirPlay, to zone 2
But you can't run video and AirPlay from the same zone

Wait, what? This is nearly a top of the line unit in Pioneer's AVR line and it can't play video from one source and audio from another? . Is that an unrealistic expectation in 2012? Do any current AVR's support the ability to do that? Seems like a no-brainer for a feature. Wow. I mean...wow.

I suppose I'll need to run an HDMI cable from my cable box directly to the TV and a separate digital audio cable to the receiver. Jeez.
post #3302 of 3982
Too much dynamic range?

I was watching the Heat blu-ray the other night (Dolby True HD) and noticed the dialogue seemed really quiet on the center channel so I cranked my SC-57 up higher than usual. The volume range between the dialogue and sound FX seemed to be really exaggerated on this disc. If you're familiar with the movie, the final scene takes place at LAX with De Niro and Pacino running around on the tarmac. When the jets were taking off/landing the sound FX were incredibly loud and the SC-57 actually cut itself off at one point. - all of the sound cut off and the front display went to "Stereo". I lowered the volume and toggled through some sources and when I came back to the Blu-ray input the movie played fine to the end.

Whether it was actually the AVR or spreakers that tripped, I don't know.

This is the only disc where I've experienced this issue. Has anyone else had particular discs cause them volume issues? Could there be an issue with my set-up?

I have an Oppo 95 playing through HDMI and a Monitor Audio GX 5.1 speaker set-up. I've run both the auto set-up/room correction on my subwoofer and the MCACC on the AVR.

Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks,
JD
post #3303 of 3982
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Originally Posted by jd_alpha View Post

Too much dynamic range?
I was watching the Heat blu-ray the other night (Dolby True HD) and noticed the dialogue seemed really quiet on the center channel so I cranked my SC-57 up higher than usual. The volume range between the dialogue and sound FX seemed to be really exaggerated on this disc. If you're familiar with the movie, the final scene takes place at LAX with De Niro and Pacino running around on the tarmac. When the jets were taking off/landing the sound FX were incredibly loud and the SC-57 actually cut itself off at one point. - all of the sound cut off and the front display went to "Stereo". I lowered the volume and toggled through some sources and when I came back to the Blu-ray input the movie played fine to the end.
Whether it was actually the AVR or spreakers that tripped, I don't know.
This is the only disc where I've experienced this issue. Has anyone else had particular discs cause them volume issues? Could there be an issue with my set-up?
I have an Oppo 95 playing through HDMI and a Monitor Audio GX 5.1 speaker set-up. I've run both the auto set-up/room correction on my subwoofer and the MCACC on the AVR.
Any insights would be appreciated.
Thanks,
JD

Sounds like an HDMI handshaking glitch. Is the problem reproduceable? Try the same scene again and see if it happens again. A one-time event does not provide much information to go on.
post #3304 of 3982
More or less proud owner of a new sc-55 which is replacing a VSX-54TX. Great prices now as they update the product line.

Made the unfortunate assumption that this receiver included the multi channel analog inputs which my old receiver had. Planning to pickup an Oppo BDP-95 and wanted to take advantage of its shark(y) dacs by running 5.1 analog out to the Pioneer.

As it is my old Denon DVD-3910 passes all but SACD digital signals over hdmi to the receiver (how good are the SC-55's DACS I wonder?). I can of course run analog stereo out from the Denon when playing SACD's but no way to do SACD surround.

My question is: how much am I missing? In the end doesn't the receiver process everything fed to it thru its own internal dacs? I know the output amps are digital, but what about the front end? If you feed an analog signal to a pair of analog stereo ins on the receiver and simply pass it thru the FL and FR pre outs to a nice two channel rig, does it go thru unfettered, or does it go thru d/a conversion by default?

Just to clarify my receiver powers only the center and rear surround speakers, I have a nice high end two channel rig to power the front channels and simply run some interconnects from the FL and FR pre outs to my preamp.

One thing that really does impress me with the new SC-55 is the dynamic range, quiet backgrounds and midrange clarity. The improvements to MCACC are noticeable. Sounds very well balanced in room.
post #3305 of 3982
If you use any of the processing, like MCACC, the AVR's DACs are used. Since room correction provides a huge boost, I would opt for that over using the analog inputs from your player.
post #3306 of 3982
Thanks jimjr. I've not had any other handshake issues at all with the SC-57, and it was coincident with the exaggerated sound FX volume, so I'm hesitant to reproduce the exact conditions. But I will try the scene again at a lower volume and see if there are any issues.

I think I'll also run the subwoofer set-up and MCACC again just to make sure the settings aren't out of whack somehow.

- JD

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Originally Posted by jimjr View Post

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Originally Posted by jd_alpha View Post

Too much dynamic range?
I was watching the Heat blu-ray the other night (Dolby True HD) and noticed the dialogue seemed really quiet on the center channel so I cranked my SC-57 up higher than usual. The volume range between the dialogue and sound FX seemed to be really exaggerated on this disc. If you're familiar with the movie, the final scene takes place at LAX with De Niro and Pacino running around on the tarmac. When the jets were taking off/landing the sound FX were incredibly loud and the SC-57 actually cut itself off at one point. - all of the sound cut off and the front display went to "Stereo". I lowered the volume and toggled through some sources and when I came back to the Blu-ray input the movie played fine to the end.
Whether it was actually the AVR or spreakers that tripped, I don't know.
This is the only disc where I've experienced this issue. Has anyone else had particular discs cause them volume issues? Could there be an issue with my set-up?
I have an Oppo 95 playing through HDMI and a Monitor Audio GX 5.1 speaker set-up. I've run both the auto set-up/room correction on my subwoofer and the MCACC on the AVR.
Any insights would be appreciated.
Thanks,
JD

Sounds like an HDMI handshaking glitch. Is the problem reproduceable? Try the same scene again and see if it happens again. A one-time event does not provide much information to go on.
post #3307 of 3982
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Seriously? You just have those of us who have owned multiple Pioneer receivers and the 4311 pointing out a significant difference between the two because Pioneer refuses to get with the times regarding room correction. As a proud owner of an SC-07 and the Denon I can honestly say XT32 (even without the pro kit) is the real deal. I won't even bother addressing the power comment - both receivers hold their own in that regard. Until Pioneer gets with the times they have lost my business. That means something given I bought my first Pioneer product 36 years ago. Sorry for the rant but I'm pissed at Pioneer for doing little to improve their receivers since they introduced the SC-09, for killing the Kuro, no more ice and making crap blu-ray players the past few years.

+1!!

Pioneer truly has changed. Thats why im glad i bought the classic pioneer products when pioneer was still good. Like my SC-37 with ICE amps and kuro elite 151.

Come back, pioneer. Please. frown.gif
post #3308 of 3982
I had something interesting happen last night with my SC-55 that has been mentioned before in this thread.

My SC-55 is almost exactly 3 months old. All of my components are connected via HDMI.

I was watching DirecTV on my Sony HDTV and decided to watch a movie on my projector which is connected to the second HDMI output on the SC-55.

While switching over to the projector, the SC-55 completely lost sound and picture. I could still control the receiver with the remote but there was nothing coming out of the speakers and nothing coming from the HDMI outputs. I couldn't even get to the setup menus and when I did, they were distorted and washed out in red.

When hitting the power button, it took almost 30 seconds for the SC-55 to power off. It took several seconds to power back on.

I tried unplugging the receiver for 30 seconds and plugging it back in but no change.

Then, after reading some posts here, I tried disabling the network standby. Unplugging the receiver and then enabling network standby again. Still no change.

After thinking all is lost I tried one more thing. I unplugged the receiver, then pulled all the cables from the HDMI inputs and outputs.

I connected them back on the SC-55, plugged it in and SUCCESS!!!

Apparently the HDMI system was completely locked up so in order to "reset" it, I needed to power down and take off all of the HDMI cables.

I hope this is not going to be a frequent occurrence. I guess I will see. I updated the firmware just in case the problem is addressed in the new update.

I thought I would post this in case it helps anyone else.
post #3309 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Chris Blount View Post

I had something interesting happen last night with my SC-55 that has been mentioned before in this thread.
My SC-55 is almost exactly 3 months old. All of my components are connected via HDMI.
I was watching DirecTV on my Sony HDTV and decided to watch a movie on my projector which is connected to the second HDMI output on the SC-55.
While switching over to the projector, the SC-55 completely lost sound and picture. I could still control the receiver with the remote but there was nothing coming out of the speakers and nothing coming from the HDMI outputs. I couldn't even get to the setup menus and when I did, they were distorted and washed out in red.
When hitting the power button, it took almost 30 seconds for the SC-55 to power off. It took several seconds to power back on.
I tried unplugging the receiver for 30 seconds and plugging it back in but no change.
Then, after reading some posts here, I tried disabling the network standby. Unplugging the receiver and then enabling network standby again. Still no change.
After thinking all is lost I tried one more thing. I unplugged the receiver, then pulled all the cables from the HDMI inputs and outputs.
I connected them back on the SC-55, plugged it in and SUCCESS!!!
Apparently the HDMI system was completely locked up so in order to "reset" it, I needed to power down and take off all of the HDMI cables.
I hope this is not going to be a frequent occurrence. I guess I will see. I updated the firmware just in case the problem is addressed in the new update.
I thought I would post this in case it helps anyone else.

We have mentioned this previously.. rolleyes.gif

Check out the site www.digital-cp.com

The site is run by Intel and lists all HDMI products which have passed HDMI certification/compliance which includes testing for interoperability.
We find no AVR models for Pioneer and almost nothing in sinks (displays) for Sony. Products without this certification are mentioned frequently with having HDMI handshake issues. The other thing is to double check that all HDMI products have the latest firmware downloaded and installed.


Just my $0.02.. wink.gif
post #3310 of 3982
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

We have mentioned this previously.. rolleyes.gif
Check out the site www.digital-cp.com
The site is run by Intel and lists all HDMI products which have passed HDMI certification/compliance which includes testing for interoperability.
We find no AVR models for Pioneer and almost nothing in sinks (displays) for Sony. Products without this certification are mentioned frequently with having HDMI handshake issues. The other thing is to double check that all HDMI products have the latest firmware downloaded and installed.
Just my $0.02.. wink.gif

OK, that's great but the point of my post was to hopefully help someone who doesn't want to spend hours looking through 100+ pages of posts. Search results don't exactly come up perfect either. Yes, HDMI can be an issue on this receiver but completely losing sound and picture in all modes (even on "tuner") makes you look elsewhere first before even considering an HDMI problem.
post #3311 of 3982
I got my SC-55 yesterday (actually the Euro model LX75)
Two silly things made me think I had to return it
The remote didn't work out of the box.... turned out it was pre-set to control a TV confused.gif
This really had me worried: I connected three HDMI devices on the back = HDMI 1, 2 and 3, right?
Wrong, as HDMI 3 is the one on the front mad.gif
What genius made this decision?

Small things, I know

Another thing: You can turn off all the lights in the front display, but when you do this another light comes on telling you that you have turned off the lights (and it stays on)
Idiocy!!!
Edited by jake51 - 7/11/12 at 8:06am
post #3312 of 3982
Anybody know who has a good deal on one of these? Looking for something new and I figured I would stick with the Elite brand since my SC-05 has been outstanding since day one.
post #3313 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kfddakota View Post

Anybody know who has a good deal on one of these? Looking for something new and I figured I would stick with the Elite brand since my SC-05 has been outstanding since day one.

Pioneer just released an entirely new line of Elite receivers. Check out the pioneerelectronics web site for details.
post #3314 of 3982
I just hooked up my new SC-68. I'm waiting on cables to bi-amp and I'll be interested to see how this system performs.

400400
post #3315 of 3982
^^
Congratulations! I think you are the 1st one to post that they got the new 68 smile.gif

Once you get everything setup, you'll have to tell us what you think. And I think you should be the one to start a new Official SC-68 Owners thread wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Have you owned any of the previous SC models? Would be interested in reading your comparison if you have.
post #3316 of 3982
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Originally Posted by vercingetorix View Post

I just hooked up my new SC-68. I'm waiting on cables to bi-amp and I'll be interested to see how this system performs.

+1 for HDMI Matrix Switching!
-1 for Lack of SubEQ and Bass Management
+1 for a great looking simplistic setup!
post #3317 of 3982
Is there any way to turn off the FL OFF light on the SC-55 (when you have turned off all other lights, this comes on)?
It drives me crazy
Thanks
Jakob
post #3318 of 3982
Hello Gents

Just set up my new SC55 which is upgrading an SC25. Everything working well so far and the sound coming out of my Vienna Mozart speakers is just way better than the SC25.

One quirky issue I'm having is trying to figure out which HDMI input corresponds with the TV button on the remote control. The manual is absolutely horrific and pioneer should get rid of the guy that put it together.

Right now I have it in HDMI 1 input but unfortunately that does not correspond to the tv button on the remote. Also, has anyone used the Kuro Link function. I have a Elite Kuro 50 inch and wonder whether I should set this up to work with the SC55.

Thanks
post #3319 of 3982
Clarification of above:

which HDMI input should the cable box/sat HDMI cable go to in order to have the TV button on the remote control work in order to see television programming from the cable/sat box???
post #3320 of 3982
On my SC-27 I used HDMI-1 and made sure to map it to the TV/SAT input using the instructions in the manual. The mapping instructions are about 20 pages past the section describing the input connections...
post #3321 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
Congratulations! I think you are the 1st one to post that they got the new 68 smile.gif
Once you get everything setup, you'll have to tell us what you think. And I think you should be the one to start a new Official SC-68 Owners thread wink.gifbiggrin.gif
Have you owned any of the previous SC models? Would be interested in reading your comparison if you have.

I was borrowing an SC--55. I was hoping the latest generation wouldn't have the same lag when switching inputs.
post #3322 of 3982
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Originally Posted by rezalon View Post

Hello Gents
Just set up my new SC55 which is upgrading an SC25. Everything working well so far and the sound coming out of my Vienna Mozart speakers is just way better than the SC25.
One quirky issue I'm having is trying to figure out which HDMI input corresponds with the TV button on the remote control. The manual is absolutely horrific and pioneer should get rid of the guy that put it together.
Right now I have it in HDMI 1 input but unfortunately that does not correspond to the tv button on the remote. Also, has anyone used the Kuro Link function. I have a Elite Kuro 50 inch and wonder whether I should set this up to work with the SC55.
Thanks


Thanks for the help and advise. Had to turn the Control HDMI setting to Off and then was able to reassign HDMI input 1 to the tv/sat button on the remote.....
post #3323 of 3982
wow, nice b&w signature 800's vercingetorix!

i hope you're not running those sweet speakers off the receiver, as nice at as your sc-68 is, its not worthy.

should really have a nice dedicated stereo amp for that pair.....
post #3324 of 3982
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Originally Posted by mobster lobster View Post

wow, nice b&w signature 800's vercingetorix!
i hope you're not running those sweet speakers off the receiver, as nice at as your sc-68 is, its not worthy.
should really have a nice dedicated stereo amp for that pair.....

Actually the D3 amps are quite capable of running those speakers.
post #3325 of 3982
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Originally Posted by mobster lobster View Post

wow, nice b&w signature 800's vercingetorix!

i hope you're not running those sweet speakers off the receiver, as nice at as your sc-68 is, its not worthy.

should really have a nice dedicated stereo amp for that pair.....

inanimate objects, such as speakers, have no concept of "worthy"... rolleyes.gif

his avr will be just fine...
post #3326 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

inanimate objects, such as speakers, have no concept of "worthy"... rolleyes.gif
his avr will be just fine...

Worthy from a power perspective? I think that's what he was referring too... Not sure what the SC-68 can supply or what the Diamonds can handle right off hand, but philosophical views aside I would bet my pay check that the Diamonds can handle more than the SC-68 can deliver when the owner want's to push them. I'm sure there would be no discernable difference at lower volumes where he (like most others) listen to their rigs. Guess it's a moot point because he will be pushing them with the D3 amp mentioned above...

Not trying to get into a pissing contest... I usually regret making assumptions...biggrin.gif
post #3327 of 3982
^^^

actually, i don''t think the poster was referring to power at all, given his wording... wink.gif

but from a power perspective... putting aside an acd test (which has no relevance in the real world, as much as people like to use it as a definitive measurement)...

the avr in question is capable of 140wpc into an 8 ohm load... in order to have any material increase in spl, the user would need to start with a 300wpc channel external amp...

i'm not saying there won't be certain situations where more robust amplification won't be required*... but it has nothing to do with "worthiness"...

* and judging by the pic posted, this isn't one of those...
post #3328 of 3982
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Originally Posted by jake51 View Post

Is there any way to turn off the FL OFF light on the SC-55 (when you have turned off all other lights, this comes on)?
It drives me crazy
Thanks
Jakob

Tape
post #3329 of 3982
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
. And I think you should be the one to start a new Official SC-68 Owners thread wink.gifbiggrin.gif
.

Absolutely, look at the first posts of this thread and start the official sc-68 thread
post #3330 of 3982
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Originally Posted by kfddakota View Post

Anybody know who has a good deal on one of these? Looking for something new and I figured I would stick with the Elite brand since my SC-05 has been outstanding since day one.

With the new elite receivers coming out, expect some major deals on the last years models
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