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post #3901 of 3982
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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

The whole ideal is that the room affects the SQ and going unprocessed is not the best thing IMO. Even studios process the SQ to achieve the intended goal in commercial playback. I don't use the pure or direct function. The main difference is the volume which can be adjusted.

Most studios that I'm aware of start with the architecture of the room and then use EQ to further flatten the room, but I'm not aware of any that use digital processing to try to eliminate reflections as the receivers do. Most large studios will have areas of the room that are live (for let's say recording acoustic guitar) and areas of the room that are dead. In many cases, the instruments are recorded with a direct box in which case the acoustics are more so the musicians can hear each other than for the recording.

For many years, it was very popular to design the control/mixing rooms with "LEDE" (Live End, Dead End) where the front of the room where the monitors reside is dead and the rear wall is live. The idea is to create a time gap between the first signal reaching the ears and the first reflection. Not all rooms are LEDE today, but many are. Obviously, this wouldn't lend itself to mutlichannel mixing.

Personally, I frequently think that what MCACC and other such systems do is a cure that's worse than the disease. My old non-EQd 2-channel stereo system sounded far better for music than my receiver with MCACC.
post #3902 of 3982
Hello Pioneer owners. First time posting to this thread.
My current avr is a Yamaha RX-V3800 and we are very happy with it. Bought new several years ago and have had absolutely no problems with it. Found an SC-55 on local CL for $600 listed as perfect shape and several moths warranty left and wondering if that is a good deal. I read back through several posts in this thread and found a few mentions of HDMI handshake issues and a few other nigglie problems. Just wondering how common these problems are.
The Yamaha is rated at 140wpc, same as the Pioneer, so do you think this would be much of an upgrade. I've read about the D3 amps, so I do realize the Pio should be able to drive all channels with full or close to full power, versus the Yamaha, not so much, but so far, that hasn't been an issue. All Klipsch speakers plus 2 powered subs, so I'm not really wanting for more power, but maybe better sound. Do you think the MCACC is much better than YAPO. Also the ipad/android control would be nice.
DLNA support might be ok, but I also read about a few problems with that.
One other feature but I don't see listed, does the SC-55 have an HD radio tuner?
Any comments and opinions welcome.
post #3903 of 3982
Thats a great price if nothing is wrong with it and as for sound thats really a decision only you could decide.
No HD radio.
As for the RC they both do a good job and there again only you could really judge if one is more favorable than the other.
post #3904 of 3982
I need some advice since I really can't figure out how the Pioneer handles my set up.

I have a 6.1 set up from the short lived Dolby EX/DTS-ES days. I have all 3 speakers on my back wall behind me. I don't have the ability to really run a 7.1 set up.

How does the SC-57 handle 7.1 material? Does it convert it to 5.1 or someone use the back speaker in a 7.1 matrix sort of way?

Should I disconnect the back speak and have a true 5.1 setup or could the back speaker be providing some usefulness? It's hard for me to tell by listening to it.

I use a PS3 for my Blu-ray viewing.

Thank you
post #3905 of 3982
hi guys,
im new in this forum and HT. so bare with me. im using the pioneer lx-85/sc-57 with 5.2 channel surround system. I'm adding a pair of front height speakers and a pair of surround back speakers. on the speaker settings do i select 9.2 channel system connection or 7.2 channel surround system & speaker B? this is base on the manual.
im a bit confuse on this part cause if i select the 9.2 but wont be using front wide. if i select 7.2 then it would be 7 channels only.
currently using 5.2 channel adding 4 more channels that would be 9 channels?
pls help.....
post #3906 of 3982
^^
select the 9.2 speaker (normal) option. that is what you want. when you run MCACC it will detect whether you have heights or wides and set them accordingly - in your case, yes to Heights, No to Wides. Or you can manually set them yourself in the Manual Speaker setup IF MCACC trips up. but it won't as long as you have the height speakers plugged into the correct terminals.

you do not want any option with Speaker B because that is for a 2nd set of stereo speakers in a different location (room, desk, zone 2, etc)

and you can have heights & rears, wides & rears, but not heights & wides at the same time, even if you don't have rear speakers connected. that is a limitation in the firmware; these are not free assigned amps so you are limited to the choices given by Pioneer.

follow your manual, pg 13 & 17, especially when it comes time to plugging in the speakers to the receiver, to make sure you connect the heights to the correct terminals. use the connections shown on the left side of pg 17:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
Edited by ss9001 - 9/17/13 at 12:16pm
post #3907 of 3982
Noted, I will select the 9.2 channel. will run the MCACC first and if it trips then only i will select them manually.
in terms of sound what would the advantages of this 9.2 vs 5.2? what are the improvement?

Thank You for your help Steve. im really grateful.
post #3908 of 3982
Finally connected 9.2 channel, so let me get this straight. I played blu-ray the avengers which has 7.1 and in order to get 9.2 have to use Dolby PLIIz Height. all 9 channels works. when I use dts hd only 7 channels work.
My question would be if the software provide 7.1 then the receiver process it to 9.1 using Dolby PLIIz Height? Does this mean dts hd plus Dolby PLIIz Height or just Dolby PLIIz Height being use?
When i play transformers which is true hd with 5.1 then changed to Dolby PLIIz Height does that mean true hd plus Dolby PLIIz Height? Sorry for these questions as I never use 9.2.
post #3909 of 3982
I have my PC hooked up through the reciever (HDMI 1) to display onto the television (output 1). Is there a way to allow me to use the computer, display on tv, without turning on the receiver? i though it remember reading the AVR allowing signal bypass from source to display - i could be wrong.

I checked under HDMi settings, maybe someone more knowledgeable could chime in.
post #3910 of 3982
9.2 will be a matrix. I don't know of any BD that actually have FH discrete channels. Most 7.1 movies will default to using the SB speakers. The advantage of 9.x vs 5.x depends on the room. SB and FH channel deliver ambience and spatial cues. If the speakers can be separated far enough, you will hear a slight difference. 97% of the movie is available for 2 channels. I have an SC 35 and ran a 9.2 setup and it was nice. Now I am in a different location in the house and run a 7.2 setup and do not miss the SB channels. I personally like the FH channels. In a small room the extra speakers can lead to a congested sound IMO. A good 5.x is better than a badly setup 7.x or 9.x IMO. Spend the extra money on subs that will make a bigger impact for HT is some cases.
post #3911 of 3982
I just got a weird issue with mine. I turned on the PS3, got video for a few minutes. Then the picture started to go in and out for another few second then nothing. I'm gonna leave it off for awhile and let it cool down. I'm not sure if it's getting to hot or if I have some other issue. It's not the TV or video cables. I swapped both of those and the issue isn't fixed. I can get to the receiver but I get a pink backround with text instead of a black background with text. Not sure what the deal is.
post #3912 of 3982
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Originally Posted by amb7247 View Post

I just got a weird issue with mine. I turned on the PS3, got video for a few minutes. Then the picture started to go in and out for another few second then nothing. I'm gonna leave it off for awhile and let it cool down. I'm not sure if it's getting to hot or if I have some other issue. It's not the TV or video cables. I swapped both of those and the issue isn't fixed. I can get to the receiver but I get a pink backround with text instead of a black background with text. Not sure what the deal is.
I assume you hooked up the PS3 direct to the TV just to rule it out.
post #3913 of 3982
For whatever reason it started working again. I found the stiff cables I got from mono price was causing a problem from my HDMI switcher to the input on the receiver. What was weird was that I connected the cable from my HTPC computer directly to the tv and it worked,. Then connected it on the receiver and it started to work again. *shrugs*. Guess I'll have to get some new cables. Maybe a mixed issue of handshake error and a cable error. At least I don't have to get a receiver now.
post #3914 of 3982
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

I assume you hooked up the PS3 direct to the TV just to rule it out.

I only tried the computer. However, reconnected the PS3 to the HDMI switch then to the receiver after I swapped cables and it started to work again.
post #3915 of 3982
I have a weird issue also when I pause live tv with a cisco whole home dvr system all 3 pioneer receivers will make a loud annoying noise untill I play the show again, so I swapped cable boxes. Swapped hdmi swapped ports on receivers, and now today just swapped receivers still same issue has anyone else had this problem, have the dvr set to dolby digital and when i pause tv the receiver switches to pcm and i get the noise the entire time until i play the show again, thought for sure it was the open box buy I got on vsx 823k so I took it back and upgraded to the elite series, same issue with the elite, like I said have swapped dvr, hdmi, and ports no fix, is there a setting I am not seeing or what its driving me crazy.
post #3916 of 3982
If any one could help I would really appreciate it ,I have a weird issue when I pause live tv with a cisco 9865 whole home dvr system my pioneer elite vsx 43 receiver will make a loud annoying noise until I play the show again, so I swapped cable boxes. Swapped hdmi swapped ports on receivers, and now today just swapped receivers still same issue. Has anyone else had this problem, have the dvr set to dolby digital and when i pause tv the receiver switches to pcm and i get the noise the entire time until i play the show again, thought for sure it was the open box buy I got on vsx 823k so I took it back and upgraded to the elite series, same issue with the elite, like I said have swapped dvr, hdmi, and ports no fix, is there a setting I am not seeing or what its driving me crazy. I have updated firmware on the receiver and cisco, no fix, can these 2 be incompatible can anyone help. I cant get an answer from pioneer or cisco I work for cox communication and install these dvrs every day and have never seen this problem on any receiver but the 3 pioneers I have had in the last 15 days
post #3917 of 3982
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Originally Posted by coxcableman View Post

If any one could help I would really appreciate it ,I have a weird issue when I pause live tv with a cisco 9865 whole home dvr system my pioneer elite vsx 43 receiver will make a loud annoying noise until I play the show again, so I swapped cable boxes. Swapped hdmi swapped ports on receivers, and now today just swapped receivers still same issue. Has anyone else had this problem, have the dvr set to dolby digital and when i pause tv the receiver switches to pcm and i get the noise the entire time until i play the show again, thought for sure it was the open box buy I got on vsx 823k so I took it back and upgraded to the elite series, same issue with the elite, like I said have swapped dvr, hdmi, and ports no fix, is there a setting I am not seeing or what its driving me crazy. I have updated firmware on the receiver and cisco, no fix, can these 2 be incompatible can anyone help. I cant get an answer from pioneer or cisco I work for cox communication and install these dvrs every day and have never seen this problem on any receiver but the 3 pioneers I have had in the last 15 days

Do you have the receiver really set to Dolby Digital or is it set to Auto Surround? I suspect it's set to Auto Surround because otherwise the receiver would not fall back to PCM when you put the Cisco in pause. That also implies that the Cisco is not sending any audio when in pause, but if that's the case, then you shouldn't hear the noise. But take it out of Auto Surround and hard select Dolby Digital and see if it still happens. If it does, disconnect the Cisco, but still select it from the receiver and see if there's noise when the receiver is PCM. Because this happened with three different receivers, it's highly unlikely that it's the receiver - it has to be the Cisco. Also, check the setup on the Cisco to see if there's a way you can force it to stay in Dolby Digital (or in whatever native sound format it was recorded in) and not revert to PCM. If there is a way to do that, you can probably leave the receiver on Auto Surround, if that's what you're using.
post #3918 of 3982
Thanks for the response! It happens no matter what I set the receiver to, the only way it doesn't happen is when I set the cisco to pcm. It seems to be the cisco with the problem but like I said I hook these ciscos up daily to other receivers with no issue just pioneers have this issue makes me think there needs to be a firmware fix or something. If I start watching a recorded program half the time no issue. Really weird in the manual it says to set the fixed pcm to off but thats no fix either.
post #3919 of 3982
Also this new receiver is replacing an 8 year old denon that just died on me and I had no issue with the denon with the same cisco box but was using optical cables, and by the way also tried optical cables with the vsx same issue.
post #3920 of 3982

Hi all,

 

I have an SC-57 and I just got a Panasonic ZT60 TV.  I have connected HDMI-2 on the ZT60 to the HDMI output of the SC-57.  On the TV, only HDMI-2 supports ARC.

 

I then went into the SC-57 HDMI setup menu and configured as follows:

Control: ON

Control Mode: ALL

Display Power Off: NO

 

Then I went into the Panasonic Viera Link Setup menu and configured as follows:

Viera Link: ON

Power On Link: NO

Power Off Link: NO

 

The sound from the TV does come out of my sound system, like I want.  The only thing that I can't figure out and is driving me crazy is that whenever the receiver is on, and then I turn on the TV, the receiver turns itself off.  If I then turn the receiver back on, it stays on, and everything works fine.  All I want is for sound from the TV to play through my receiver when I watch Netflix or off antenna.

 

Does anyone else have this or a similar setup and gotten ARC to work without the receiver turning itself off every time the TV is turned on?

 

Thanks!

post #3921 of 3982
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Originally Posted by bjluczyk View Post

Hi all,

I have an SC-57 and I just got a Panasonic ZT60 TV.  I have connected HDMI-2 on the ZT60 to the HDMI output of the SC-57.  On the TV, only HDMI-2 supports ARC.



Does anyone else have this or a similar setup and gotten ARC to work without the receiver turning itself off every time the TV is turned on?

Thanks!

I'm using my SC-55 with a Sony TV.

My settings are as follows:
On the Pioneer:
Setup>System Setup>4e HDMI Setup
Control: On
Control Mode: All
Display Power Off: Yes
Standby Through: Eco
TV Audio: Via HDMI

On the TV:
Settings>Channels and Inputs>HDMI Settings
Control for HDMI: On
Device Auto Power Off: On
TV Auto Power On: On
Device List: You should see (or you should add) the HDMI input for the receiver
Device Control Keys: Tuning Keys

What I do is let the TV auto turn on the Receiver. The Pioneer will automatically switch to the TV input via ARC. If I don't want to listen via the receiver, I simply shut the receiver off with a remote. If I do listen via the receiver, when I shut the power to the TV, it shuts the power to the receiver as well. This works quite well for me.

What I think is happening in your case (and it has happened to me as well) is that I think HDMI Control doesn't actually send an absolute "power on" or "power off". It must just send a toggle. So it just reverses whatever state the receiver was already in. The trick is not to put the receiver on first. Put the TV on first.
post #3922 of 3982
Had a similar issue with my sc25 and an older Panasonic vierra and then again with my kuro tv and sc55. Solution was to shut the vierra link to off. Downside is having to manually shut on the receiver and tv unless you get a harmony remote or something like it.
Let us know how the zt60 works out. Been thinking of upgrading the kuro
post #3923 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Kurolicious View Post

I'm sorry but you are only partially correct. Pure Direct disables EQ and Standing Wave but not bass management. Even turning MCACC completely off does not automatically change your speakers from Large or Small or vise versa. The speaker setting is an independant setting, not part of a processing feature.

However, when EQ and Standing Wave are turned off, there is much more bass coming from your mains because MCACC attempts to flatten the frequency response so with it off, it will sound like the sub is not playing. This is assuming you're system is set up the traditional way and not bi-amping.

Um, no. Pure direct disables bass management. Got that right from tech support's mouth.
post #3924 of 3982
Never trust tech support
post #3925 of 3982
Having an issue with the sc55 turning itself off when listening to music in zone 2. Only happens when in zone 2 and never with zone 1. Is there a timer control built in somewhere and if so, how di I disable?

Also, has anyone set up a zone 3 to power two speakers for stereo sound? If so, is it just a simple matter of hooking up the zone 3 speakers to one of the speaker inputs on the receiver-which speaker inputs to use?

Help!!!
post #3926 of 3982
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Originally Posted by rezalon View Post

Having an issue with the sc55 turning itself off when listening to music in zone 2. Only happens when in zone 2 and never with zone 1. Is there a timer control built in somewhere and if so, how di I disable?

Also, has anyone set up a zone 3 to power two speakers for stereo sound? If so, is it just a simple matter of hooking up the zone 3 speakers to one of the speaker inputs on the receiver-which speaker inputs to use?

Help!!!

Why yes, there is a timer by default for zone 2 and unlike the main zone, it will go off even if listening to music

Manual Page 80-81 other setup menu auto power done

Turn zone 2 to off

Page 20 shows how to setup zone 3
post #3927 of 3982
I get my SC LX57 (Euro model) today (hopefully)
Is this the same as the US model SC-75?
Just in case I have questions...
post #3928 of 3982
jake

checking out your LX57 on UK site, it does seem to be equivalent to US SC-75.
congratulations on getting one! smile.gif
post #3929 of 3982
Thanks
The mean postman came early morning (highly unusual), so wasn't home
Tomorrow, then...
post #3930 of 3982
What would you expect to provide better quality picture.... Video parameters using the SC-55, or, projector settings for video? Source is most often 1080i. Not sure how good the Pioneer processing is. Projector is an Epson 6020ub.
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