The "Official" Pioneer Elite SC-55/SC-57 Owners Thread - Page 3

I'd like that in certain applications, but it MUST be able to be turned off. If playing any sort of video games or the like, you absolutely cannot have a video delay.

Also, what settings on the receiver would you recommend for minimal lag, and how much lag do the new receivers have?

Is there a reason they left that out?

Are you able to turn off your working head and just enjoy schlock movies?

thanks.

Additional features:
1. Sub EQ;
2. Additional EQ bands; and,
3. Easy FW updates.

While it might not account for all of the price difference, in Europe you have VAT (usually 19-20%), government regulations that increase costs and far higher fuel costs. In addition, on some product types, discounting is not permitted in some European countries except under special circumstances (isn't that true in Germany, for example?). In the U.S., although the Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that manufacturers can control selling prices (not just advertised prices), most manufacturers do not attempt to control selling prices (except through short margins). So there's plenty of competition and especially towards the end of a product's life, prices fall quickly. Also, while VAT is included in most advertised prices in Europe, U.S. sales taxes are never part of the advertised price because they vary by locality, but in any case, they usually top out at around 9% and are frequently avoided by buying from a dealer in one state who ships to you in another state (although technically, you are still supposed to submit the tax to your home state).

Awesome, thanks! I read that then forgot it 30 seconds later when I posted... Senility!

Chris Walker-

Can you address this?

Chris

Correct me if I am wrong, but Standing Wave Control does allow at least some parametric EQ (cut only) of the sub(s).

AJ

All of the new BD players are our own. No sharp involvement at all...

Lots of features people were asking for......

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

When sending any content using AirPlay the content is converted into Apple Lossless. My guess would that Apple Lossless does not know how to handle a DTS CD.

Chris Walker

So is there no on-screen volume indicator with the sc-5x ?

I can tell you that I am made the request a a few times and have been told that they will study. So far I have not had much luck though.. I will ask again when I am in Japan in late September....

Chris

Isn't there one that isn't in decibels if you use HDMI-CEC?


That's very interesting. By the way, they want you over in the blu-ray forum. Here

Edit: I guess you've answered some of the questions that we've had.

Well, something is amiss or has changed. A DTS WAV appears to be just another 16 bit 44.1 kHz LPCM WAV. That is how the DTS CD format can be compatible with the Sony/Philips Red Book standard.

Additionally, AirPlay's predecessor, AirTunes, also used Apple Lossless as its wireless transport codec. And it could pass DTS WAVs through the mini TOSLINK optical out of the AirPort Express base station.

AJ

Just for clarity, can the second or third send this stereo signal at line level? Sorry for being so dense.

Thanks,
David

Hi

I wondering if this new Pioneer receiver, SC-57 is as powerful as SC-37 was/is?
And does it still sound like Pioneer?, neutral and correct?
I own SC-37 (SC-LX83 in Europe), but thinking of upgrade it with this new SC-57 if it is as powerful as SC-37 and it sounds good or even better?
My speakers are B&W CM-series, with CM9 as frontspeakers, B&W speakers are powerhungry. I really liked the option to bi-amp frontspeakers AND surround or frontspeakers AND centerspeaker!

Chris,

I've emailed several people at Pioneer including you on this. All I can say is Pioneer is losing the support of owners on this issue. Some have already moved on to other brands and probably won't be coming back, for example Chris C "ccotenj". From what I can tell, the other Pioneer models don't interest most Susano owners. ccotenj moved on to Marantz & now Denon.

Some, like me, are also considering abandoning Pioneer products for Denon if we don't hear from Pioneer on this issue. Not because we really want to, but because Pioneer isn't making the effort that Denon has to try to keep the flagships as current as they can.

Maybe they'll listen to lost customer brand loyalty & lost future sales as a reason to study it seriously and do something!

Please keep trying to convince them that it's in Pioneer's long-term best interests to do this.

Respectfully,
Steve P "ss9001"

"I understand your complaint. Supporting NTFS is very difficult since our receivers run a unique operating system (Not linux or windows).

Believe it or not I am now working on next years models. Please feel free to make any requests...

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

I'd love to see Dolby Volume and HD Radio on next years models. Any chance for these, Chris?

That's what I figured, although I was hoping for a different answer .

So let's turn this into a request for Chris: down-mixing a multichannel input to stereo to be output to zone 2 or zone 3.

Thanks,
David

While we do not license Dolby Volume we do offer ALC (Automatic Level Control) which offers the same benefit.

HD Radio is being looked into. Just need to see if it makes sense..

Thanks,

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

I'm sure there is something I'm missing, but the receiver already does this when you set the audio mode to Stereo or Mono, for example. At least that is my experience with my Denon AVR-5600, the flagship unit from Denon from the late '90s. What I'd like is to have it honor the output audio mode for each zone by performing the requisite down- or up-mixing as appropriate. I could then set the audio mode for zone 2 or zone 3 to Stereo and be confident that whatever source signal has been specified will be presented in stereo for that zone while still being presented in (e.g.) Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS Master Audio in zone 1.

Like I said, I'm sure there is something I'm missing.

Thanks for listening.
David

EDIT: Restricting the up-mixing to comply with HDCP licensing makes sense to me. Would there really be problem with down-mixing, however, particularly to Stereo?

The SC-57 may not sound like God, but every indication (and at this point, only Filmmixer's word) points to these sounding as good, if not better.

An advantage of this receiver is, obviously, the 9.2 channel output. As such, more channels can be biamped (that is correct, correct?). The Sc-55/57 manual (page 14 or 15) states pretty clearly all of the biamping configurations. Note: The SC-55 does not support
these, only the 57.

I see; either way, it is neither functional (doesn't give decibel readings) nor graphically pretty.


What good solution would this be?


If I'm not mistaken, it only outputs the L/R channels of the 5.1 source in the second and third zone while still outputting the 5.1 in the main zone. That said, I very well may be wrong. I only use additional zones for completely different sources (e.g. outdoor music).


Chris: For the record, I don't personally care about HD-radio, as I think there are enough options for higher quality audio; however, and I'm sure you know this, depending on how much it costs to implement (and I wouldn't assume that cost to be too dramatic) it might win sales by the "spec-sheet buyers". Also, I strongly believe in the importance of having an updated flagship; many of those flagship users buy other, somewhat lower quality, receivers by the same MFR for redundancy and alternate viewing rooms in the house (or at least some friends of mine do).

no worries, I think using a networked DLNA server might be a better option for me anyway and I can't imagine upgrading for a few years anyway

Actually I am suprised that you aren't working on the 2013 models specifications

looking forward to getting one of the new matching bluray players