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post #601 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

To really get help from JRiver the company, (not just the user jriver here, who is the owner of the company), not to mention countless expert users, you should post this on Interact. It might be a good idea to send a sample file that's troubling you to Matt as well.

Finally, if you do get the files to play in something else, can you verify that all 6 speakers are indeed playing? You can sometimes get a 6 channel signal, with all but 2 of them 'playing' silence.

Indeed. That's exactly what happened when i opened the files using vlc video lan player. I want to confirm with mediamonkey using wasapi as well and see what happens.
post #602 of 1119
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

For those of you who use my guides I now have started to provide JRiver guides (created by GreenEyez here at AVS). The first 5 are posted. I now have 98 guides in total to hopefully get just about everyone and anyone into HTPC.

I am also going to post some audiophile guides that were created for me by an audiophile partner of mine a few months ago. Those will take time to get just right as they are very dense and very wordy.

Enjoy.

Link

Very well done man!

I have no idea where you find the time to do this stuff.

I barely have enough time to digest 25% of the stuff you do...
post #603 of 1119
Here is the update...

I tried with mediamonkey free version and I get multichannel out just fine. I get the notification from my Onkyo TX-SR 705 that it is receiving MultiCh Audio and when I check each speaker there is sound coming from them. They are not playing silent as with VLC media player (I have VLC setup with DirectSound so it was not bypassing Windows' mixer).

This leaves me to think that it might be something with a JRiver setup.

This is the AVR setup in windows:




This is the setup in JRiver







And this is the message I get when I try to play a multichannel file



If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
post #604 of 1119
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

If anyone has any ideas please let me know.

First, thanks for the detailed post.

I'm wondering if the issue is as simple as trying to use a hardware buffer size that the sound card can not support.

I see you have 250ms as the WASAPI - Event Style buffer size. The default is 100ms. With a fast computer and a non-USB audio device, I'd recommend 10ms or 25ms.

Does changing that make any difference?

(p.s. it's sort of a different topic, but with HDMI you might consider sending uncompressed multichannel PCM (ie. no bitstreaming) as it allows VideoClock and some other nice options)
post #605 of 1119
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

This is the AVR setup in windows:



If anyone has any ideas please let me know.

Not sure if this will help, but your AVR setup in Windows doesn't look right. Your receiver supports Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio - those should be listed in the list of Encoded Formats.
post #606 of 1119
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Originally Posted by monkey View Post

First, thanks for the detailed post.

I'm wondering if the issue is as simple as trying to use a hardware buffer size that the sound card can not support.

I see you have 250ms as the WASAPI - Event Style buffer size. The default is 100ms. With a fast computer and a non-USB audio device, I'd recommend 10ms or 25ms.

Does changing that make any difference?

(p.s. it's sort of a different topic, but with HDMI you might consider sending uncompressed multichannel PCM (ie. no bitstreaming) as it allows VideoClock and some other nice options)

That was it!! Thanks!

I changed the buffer to 250milliseconds going with the description of smoother playback....I set the buffer back to 100ms as default and it worked perfect.

Thanks!

BTW: My laptop has an Intel Core i5 - 2520M @ 2.5Ghz (quad core)....do you think that's fast enough for a lower buffer?
post #607 of 1119
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

That was it!! Thanks!

Glad you got it going.


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BTW: My laptop has an Intel Core i5 - 2520M @ 2.5Ghz (quad core)....do you think that's fast enough for a lower buffer?

There's no real need to chase small values in most installations. So if it works, be happy and enjoy a movie

To explain why buffering is selectable, some slower machines or devices require a large buffer size to avoid data shortfalls (which will normally play as a little silence). Other hardware may only work well with smaller buffer sizes (as you just saw). And then sometimes there are cases where small buffer sizes are important to reduce latency, like when using Media Center to process and output the audio from a game or web browser (which is a feature that's in development).
post #608 of 1119
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Not sure if this will help, but your AVR setup in Windows doesn't look right. Your receiver supports Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio - those should be listed in the list of Encoded Formats.

Glad you got it working, eliwankenobi. The above post by gsr shouldn't be ignored, though - there is a problem with your system, most likely the driver installation.

You should have the HD formats listed too. You may have issues with other software in the future. It could also be EDID issues.


Finally: Thanks, for taking the time to do the screenshots. That makes things so much easier to troubleshoot!
post #609 of 1119
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Originally Posted by monkey View Post

Glad you got it going.




There's no real need to chase small values in most installations. So if it works, be happy and enjoy a movie

To explain why buffering is selectable, some slower machines or devices require a large buffer size to avoid data shortfalls (which will normally play as a little silence). Other hardware may only work well with smaller buffer sizes (as you just saw). And then sometimes there are cases where small buffer sizes are important to reduce latency, like when using Media Center to process and output the audio from a game or web browser (which is a feature that's in development).

Ok, guess I just let it at 25ms as suggested....

Actually, I'm not planning on watching movies through here just yet (DVD/Blu-Ray). My PS3 covers that, though I will try the setup for my Netflix. I find it a more elegant solution when having the laptop setup with the AVR in my HT and just browsing through my music using the web remote on my tablet. My tablet is not Android/iOS though and I don't have an iphone so I don't know what the Gizmo app can do, but it would be great if instead of just playing back you local files, one could actually browse through the different services, like Hulu and Netflix and play content from there using the webremote. Can that be worked out in a future JMC 17 update?

On another note. I'm having a problem playing back a Quad Vinyl Rip album. All other MultiCh files play OK (they sound awesome), but this album which technically is multichannel (4.0) does not play. Don't know if JRiver has support for it, but I don't see why not. I also tried with the different buffer sizes just in case. Again, I tried with MediaMonkey and it played fine trough the fronts and surrounds (not the center). Everything else in JRiver is the same. If you need anymore info or pictures of other settings in JRiver let me know.

Thanks again Monkey!

EDIT here is a pic of the message that's displayed

post #610 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

Glad you got it working, eliwankenobi. The above post by gsr shouldn't be ignored, though - there is a problem with your system, most likely the driver installation.

You should have the HD formats listed too. You may have issues with other software in the future. It could also be EDID issues.


Finally: Thanks, for taking the time to do the screenshots. That makes things so much easier to troubleshoot!

Yes, thank you. I would need to investigate further this issue. This is a first generation onkyo product with HDMI 1.3 and bitstreaming capability for the HD Surround formats. So it may not have a way to tell the computer that It can accepts those bitstreams. Also my laptop is a rather entry level Dell E-6420 which may very well not have the capacity to bitstream those audio tracks. I can't try because I dont have a Blu-ray drive on my laptop. Don't know if this makes any sense. I have a lot to read I guess, It'd be interesting to find out....
post #611 of 1119
WebGizmo has replaced WebRemote.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WebGizmo

But it won't do Hulu or Netflix. For that, you would usually want to use Theater View.
post #612 of 1119
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

WebGizmo has replaced WebRemote.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WebGizmo

But it won't do Hulu or Netflix. For that, you would usually want to use Theater View.

Hey Thanks!

Just got it working on my Playbook. Works great!!

It's a bummer that one cannot control Netflix, Hulu, etc. from the video section of the WebGizmo. That would, in my opinion, almost eliminate the need for a media center remote altogether. Could that be implemented on a future update? I understand that it may not be used with using WebGizmo for "This location" but if using it for "Player" that would be nice. Maybe its not too difficult to implement?
post #613 of 1119
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

Yes, thank you. I would need to investigate further this issue. This is a first generation onkyo product with HDMI 1.3 and bitstreaming capability for the HD Surround formats. So it may not have a way to tell the computer that It can accepts those bitstreams. Also my laptop is a rather entry level Dell E-6420 which may very well not have the capacity to bitstream those audio tracks. I can't try because I dont have a Blu-ray drive on my laptop. Don't know if this makes any sense. I have a lot to read I guess, It'd be interesting to find out....

That does make sense - I assumed that you had the PC hardware to send those formats. Do you have nVidia graphics, or the built-in Intel solution?
post #614 of 1119
Okay. I downloaded J.River today. I have LAV on my system. How to enable it in J.River. I searched without much luck..
post #615 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Okay. I downloaded J.River today. I have LAV on my system. How to enable it in J.River. I searched without much luck..

JRiverMC will automatically download the proper codecs (including LAV) into its own directory. It won't touch the separate LAV installation you have in your system. And depending on your setup LAV will automatically be enabled when you play a video or movie.
post #616 of 1119
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Not sure if this will help, but your AVR setup in Windows doesn't look right. Your receiver supports Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio - those should be listed in the list of Encoded Formats.


I have the same AVR, and this is my sound properties - looks like you are not detecting all of the formats. But you have a few more bit-depths and sample rates. it must be due to the PC's audio capabilities (I'm using nVidia HD)



post #617 of 1119
This seems to be the case then. My laptop has an intel integrated solution, so that maybe the reason. Do anyone knows where i can find dolby true hd or dts hd ma demos or sounf files that one could download? I would like to know if this laptop is able to output those formats.
post #618 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Okay. I downloaded J.River today. I have LAV on my system. How to enable it in J.River. I searched without much luck..

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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post


JRiverMC will automatically download the proper codecs (including LAV) into its own directory. It won't touch the separate LAV installation you have in your system. And depending on your setup LAV will automatically be enabled when you play a video or movie.

That's what I did. I know that WIN7 is configured correctly for HD Audio playback.
post #619 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post


That's what I did. I know that WIN7 is configured correctly for HD Audio playback.

Did you go into options> audio, and set up the audio device you want?

Then into video options to choose which audio formats you want to bitstream. The default is no bitstreaming, I believe.

When you say no luck, what exactly are you getting? No sound/ no bitstreaming/ no lossless playback??
post #620 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post


Did you go into options> audio, and set up the audio device you want?

Then into video options to choose which audio formats you want to bitstream. The default is no bitstreaming, I believe.

When you say no luck, what exactly are you getting? No sound/ no bitstreaming/ no lossless playback??

Yeah.. I set it to play back through my Denon and set it for bitstreaming. I also tried the Realtec HD Audio option. I don't have a video card so I set it for Red October (Standard). I'm getting a codec error. I should note that this is the latest MC17 build that I downloaded yesterday.

By "no luck" I mean I searched this thread and on interact for terms such LAV, HD Audio and didn't get any usefull hits. I usually like to search before posting a question.
post #621 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Yeah.. I set it to play back through my Denon and set it for bitstreaming. I also tried the Realtec HD Audio option. I don't have a video card so I set it for Red October (Standard). I'm getting a codec error. I should note that this is the latest MC17 build that I downloaded yesterday.

By "no luck" I mean I searched this thread and on interact for terms such LAV, HD Audio and didn't get any usefull hits. I usually like to search before posting a question.

Matt often suggests this: Choose Wasapi Event Style and a buffer of 100ms or less. A screenshot of the codec error might help.
post #622 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

Matt often suggests this: Choose Wasapi Event Style and a buffer of 100ms or less. A screenshot of the codec error might help.

I thought WASAPI was for audio (only) playback but am just now checking out J.River so I could be wrong. I'll try to grab a screenshot but basically it is saying it cannot play the video because it doesn't have the right files to play it. To me, that's a codec issue. Playback of DD and dts works fine, BTW.
post #623 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I thought WASAPI was for audio (only) playback but am just now checking out J.River so I could be wrong. I'll try to grab a screenshot but basically it is saying it cannot play the video because it doesn't have the right files to play it. To me, that's a codec issue. Playback of DD and dts works fine, BTW.

I'm also assuming that playback on your system works for these files in MPC-HC or similar. Correct?
post #624 of 1119
I got it working.. it was a matter of ticking the HD Audio formats in the settings.

J.River is pretty smooth. It allowed playback of PCM (Kill Bill) without having to go into Control Panel > Sound and changing from Stereo to 7.1 Speakers.

I don't have an OTA antenna hooked up right now but QAM cable. I don't subscribe to Charter for TV. I am able to scan and pick up a few crappy (analog?) feeds using my Hauppauge 2250 dual tuner using WMC but the scan failed in J.River. I also wasn't able to load the EPG. I do see that there's an option to manually add channes which WMC does not have.

Couple questions:

Any comments on why the scan failled?
Where do I go to get the frequencies/channel mapping to manually add stations?

Thanks..

Any suggestions?

EDIT: I am also interested in a skin that may look close to Diamond Theme in Media Browser.. I'd also like to see more media info such as file type, video and audio codecs on the file, etc.
post #625 of 1119
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I got it working.. it was a matter of ticking the HD Audio formats in the settings.

J.River is pretty smooth. It allowed playback of PCM (Kill Bill) without having to go into Control Panel > Sound and changing from Stereo to 7.1 Speakers.

I don't have an OTA antenna hooked up right now but QAM cable. I don't subscribe to Charter for TV. I am able to scan and pick up a few crappy (analog?) feeds using my Hauppauge 2250 dual tuner using WMC but the scan failed in J.River. I also wasn't able to load the EPG. I do see that there's an option to manually add channes which WMC does not have.

Couple questions:

Any comments on why the scan failled?
Where do I go to get the frequencies/channel mapping to manually add stations?

Thanks..

Any suggestions?

EDIT: I am also interested in a skin that may look close to Diamond Theme in Media Browser.. I'd also like to see more media info such as file type, video and audio codecs on the file, etc.


Sorry, I can't help with the TV stuff, as I don't use it for that. Very glad you had a simple fix for your problem, though. You may want to ask some of these questions at the Interact forum, where you'll have access to more users.
post #626 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

Sorry, I can't help with the TV stuff, as I don't use it for that. Very glad you had a simple fix for your problem, though. You may want to ask some of these questions at the Interact forum, where you'll have access to more users.

Oh No!!

Another forum to suck up my free time..
post #627 of 1119
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Originally Posted by CountryBumkin View Post

I have the same AVR, and this is my sound properties - looks like you are not detecting all of the formats. But you have a few more bit-depths and sample rates. it must be due to the PC's audio capabilities (I'm using nVidia HD)




Check that you have the latest drivers for your video or soundcard. I updated mine and now it displays compatibility for all HD Codecs

post #628 of 1119
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

Check that you have the latest drivers for your video or soundcard. I updated mine and now it displays compatibility for all HD Codecs

I always hold my breath when installing Windows or video card drivers until those formats show up! Good job. Now I hope you enjoy your HTPC in general, and JRMC in particular.
post #629 of 1119
I'm quite excited about the new Particles feature. Can't wait to find the time to start using it with some DVD rips. Goodbye menus... without ripping to mkv etc!
post #630 of 1119
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

I always hold my breath when installing Windows or video card drivers until those formats show up! Good job. Now I hope you enjoy your HTPC in general, and JRMC in particular.

Yeah!

It's been great!. Lately I've found how great is having the kind of visual experience of listening to music. Set Jriver on my projector in Theater mode, putting some good music and having pictures of the artist are showing on the screen..then go back and start Netflix in a few clicks!

Good Stuff
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