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post #181 of 277
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

You bet, the dealer network have been screaming for mercy ever since distribution companies like Markertek started dishing out the Onkyos at decent prices.

Bob - where do you see Onkyos on Markertek's website?? I searched their site with no results for "Onkyo"....?
post #182 of 277
Is this true balanced or semi, like the 5508?
post #183 of 277
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Originally Posted by atledreier View Post

Is this true balanced or semi, like the 5508?

That question still comes up although, when it comes to digital processors, it is somewhat irrelevant. So, what do you mean by semi-balanced?
post #184 of 277
I take 'semi' balanced to be that the DSP and internal signal path is single ended, but converted to balanced for transmission.
post #185 of 277
It's the same design as the 5508, nothing changed much.
post #186 of 277
Do you know if the 5509 uses the same remote network codes as the 5508 ?
post #187 of 277
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Originally Posted by runnernorth View Post

Do you know if the 5509 uses the same remote network codes as the 5508 ?

Well, there would be the codes for Spotify which the 5508 doesn't have.
post #188 of 277
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Well, there would be the codes for Spotify which the 5508 doesn't have.

Theresa, you´re right, that i forgot..too bad ...
post #189 of 277
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

It's the same design as the 5508, nothing changed much.

I thought this as well, but I think there is far more below the surface than the specs suggest. I can't confirm anything for sure, but I believe that there are a number of changes/upgrades that are not apparent from the specs.

If anyone would like to contest this, then I have on simple thing to say that potentially proves my point. Audyssey Pro support was supposed to be implemented back in November, but 3 months later we are still waiting for confirmation. If things were so similar and so simple, it would not have taken this long.
post #190 of 277
Hey , I've just updated my 5509 through network,
But now after the update I can't control it with the remote, on the display it says: completed.
Do you know what to do, should I just turn it off and then on with the st.by. button??
post #191 of 277
Oh, now I got it, read the manual again, it says, turn off the av controller by pushing the st.by. Button on front panel.
:-)
post #192 of 277
-after updating the firmware, I listened to Adele Royal Albert hall-DTS-HD MSTR, and I have to say, that the update actually improved the SQ, in my ears anyway, it gave some more clarity, especially to her vocal. ;-)
post #193 of 277
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

I thought this as well, but I think there is far more below the surface than the specs suggest. I can't confirm anything for sure, but I believe that there are a number of changes/upgrades that are not apparent from the specs.

If anyone would like to contest this, then I have on simple thing to say that potentially proves my point. Audyssey Pro support was supposed to be implemented back in November, but 3 months later we are still waiting for confirmation. If things were so similar and so simple, it would not have taken this long.

The SM for the 5509 / 3009 / 5009 (actually the same) doesn't show much of a difference concerning the hardware.
post #194 of 277
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

The SM for the 5509 / 3009 / 5009 (actually the same) doesn't show much of a difference concerning the hardware.

My post was in reply to the 5509 being the same as the 5508.
post #195 of 277
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post


If anyone would like to contest this, then I have on simple thing to say that potentially proves my point. Audyssey Pro support was supposed to be implemented back in November, but 3 months later we are still waiting for confirmation. If things were so similar and so simple, it would not have taken this long.

That fact that Audyssey Pro support was has not been enabled any faster, really offers no proof at all. This is something where two entirely separate companies have to sign off on it, Onkyo/Integra and Audyssey. And more than likely, if it was just up to Onlyo/Integra, they would to be probably be prone to just having it enabled right away, while on the other hand you can bet that Audyssey is for sure running a test mule unit through it's paces before they sign off on it. Onkyo/Integra has screwed up a few firmware releases in the past that in a few cases somewhat made Audyssey look to be the one at fault of a new problem that the new firmware created, when they really were not.
post #196 of 277
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

That fact that Audyssey Pro support was has not been enabled any faster, really offers no proof at all. This is something where two entirely separate companies have to sign off on it, Onkyo/Integra and Audyssey. And more than likely, if it was just up to Onlyo/Integra, they would to be probably be prone to just having it enabled right away, while on the other hand you can bet that Audyssey is for sure running a test mule unit through it's paces before they sign off on it. Onkyo/Integra has screwed up a few firmware releases in the past that in a few cases somewhat made Audyssey look to be the one at fault of a new problem that the new firmware created, when they really were not.

It's not conclusive proof, but the fact that Onkyo haven't been able to supply a firmware to Audyssey that their engineers are happy with, suggests that it's more than just the differences in the video side of things between the 5508 and 5509. If they were so similar, they would be running off almost the same firmware, but they clearly aren't. You have to ask why would there be any difference in the sound processing that would cause problems for Audssey, because as faf as the specs are concerned they are exactly the same in that respect.
post #197 of 277
This is no proof or evidence at all.
The 5xx9 units have a newer, different firmware. Even if the hardware would be identical, they still have to reprogramm for including Audyssey Pro. Bugs happen in software all the time even during the slightest changes.
post #198 of 277
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

This is no proof or evidence at all.
The 5xx9 units have a newer, different firmware. Even if the hardware would be identical, they still have to reprogramm for including Audyssey Pro. Bugs happen in software all the time even during the slightest changes.

I guess I'll just shut the hell up then.
post #199 of 277
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Originally Posted by mjf_uk View Post

i guess i'll just shut the hell up then.

lol!
post #200 of 277
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

That question still comes up although, when it comes to digital processors, it is somewhat irrelevant.

I agree, but can you explain?
post #201 of 277
I would like to use the 12v trigger to turn on my amplifier. I don't have mono miniplug cable in hand. Can a use a stereo miniplug cable instead?
post #202 of 277
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Originally Posted by heja View Post

I agree, but can you explain?

All the digital processing is single-ended.
post #203 of 277
There is now a new firmware for the 5509 adding Pro Support and the Audyssey software is available for download.

The TX-NR3009 and TX-NR5009 are also supported, but not the US model.
post #204 of 277
Several users, which updated the 5509, 5009 and 3009 yesterday with the latest firmware are reporting a much improved bass and surround sound staging although nothing has been stated by Onkyo about a new Audyssey treatment / revision / changes.
post #205 of 277
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Several users, which updated the 5509, 5009 and 3009 yesterday with the latest firmware are reporting a much improved bass and surround sound staging although nothing has been stated by Onkyo about a new Audyssey treatment / revision / changes.

Is that just by installing the firmware or did they also run a new calibration?
post #206 of 277
I really don't know...
post #207 of 277
Callback action March 19th 2012:
Onkyo has a callback going on for several AVR models of the year 2011 generation due to sub standard parts. The 1009 and 5009 are among those.
You should check, if the 5009 you have is among those, who have to be serviced. This refers among others to all 5009s units manufactured between November 2011 and January 2012. Check with you local Onkyo distributor, if your unit is affected.

PS.:
Here is the link to the Onkyo UK site.
http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/articles/...ice-80521.html
post #208 of 277
I'd be insisting on a brand new one. Legally they would have to replace it, not just offer to repair it.
post #209 of 277
I can't believe Onkyo is having further issues with their AVRs. After the issue with the serial cable (correct part?) that some experienced with the xx08 series you would think QC would be ramped up. Too bad as Onkyo makes great AVR/prepros but their reliability issues are really hurting their reputation.

Bill
post #210 of 277
Any serious reviews of the 5509 out yet? When I try to google I get reviews of 5508 instead :-(
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