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post #121 of 167
This "red" statement stays and seems to go beyond cause indeed anything recorded in hd on mini cannot be played outside the local network to which mini(s) are connected with exception of streaming in sd.
post #122 of 167
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Originally Posted by esdwa View Post

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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Get in trouble with who?
They don't sell it in the US and unlicensed HDMI inputs are obviously not illegal in HK.

Since when HDMI inputs are illegal in us? There are devices including hd recorders with hdmi input sold in us.
I don't see what your response has to do with what I posted, but nevertheless this has been gone over many times in threads on this forum.

HDMI inputs are obviously not illegal in the US since just about every AVR and HDTV sold has them. Every device sold in the US that has an HDMI input or output has to be licensed by the HDMI authority -- if it's not licensed it is illegal and they will go after the product. As a part of that license the HDMI port is required to support HDCP. You have acquired a device from HK, by way of a friend, that ignores HDCP -- if it can record a BluRay it is not HDCP compliant, therefore it is unlicensed for the US. The fact that it has a copyright warning and encrypts its recordings means it is compliant with local HK laws dealing with DRM -- whatever they may be, but they obviously don't include HDCP.

This device will never be sold in the US in stores or on-line to US customers. As soon as the HDMI folks here would learn about it being shipped to the US they would file an injunction and it would be stopped by customs and confiscated at the border. The only way anyone here is going to get one is if they too have a friend or relative in HK who is willing to send them a personal package containing the unit.

I honestly can see where this device might have some attraction for satellite users who have almost no options for HD recording outside of the satellite DVR. But for cable/FIOS users -- even if the mini was readily available in the US -- the $500+s/h price tag makes this a bad deal compared to a TiVo.
Edited by Kelson - 11/30/12 at 4:12pm
post #123 of 167
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Originally Posted by esdwa View Post

Interesting, just found a mini user's discussion on the web about playing Ts files created by mini on regular PC. Will investigate during the weekend.

Hey pal, thank you very much for the Blu Ray test! I'm happy that it was positive. wink.gif Also I remember a very useful discussion about how to make a little more useful an old MTV-Something NZ model...
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

Other than various PC video add-on boards, I'm not aware of any North American stand-alone video recorders with completely operational HDMI inputs, that can can be used to record freely from cable and satellite decoder boxes. If there was such a thing, all the zombie forum threads on these wackadoo Hong Kong mystery boxes would not keep popping up. Not to mention, you wouldn't have needed to import one? If you do know of available N.A. recorders with functional HDMI input, this would be the time and place to share them with us.

I remember the fiasco of the Gefen High-Def Personal Video Recorder...


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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I honestly can see where this device might have some attraction for satellite users who have almost no options for HD recording outside of the satellite DVR. But for cable/FIOS users -- even if the mini was readily available in the US -- the $500+s/h price tag makes this a bad deal compared to a TiVo.

I'm agree, this machine isn't made for video-walmart costumers, although it also works with American (and European?) Cable Co STBs, the MTV7000D is an extreme solution. Anyway, this is AVScience, not Amazon.com or Wikipedia.
post #124 of 167
@kelson, I am not sure what is the point of bringing same point over and over again. If you have not anything else to say, stop bragging about about what aparently is an issue for you. Once well said should be enough. And do not tell what people may want or not. Not everyone have same objectives or needs as you do. Some could be just curious, this is what this forum is all about.

@profhat
Thanks for the link about 3000 model discussion. It sounds pretty cool.
I also remember wanting so bad Gefen product at the time but the price tag was just too high.
Edited by esdwa - 11/30/12 at 7:19pm
post #125 of 167
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Originally Posted by esdwa View Post

@kelson, I am not sure what is the point of bringing same point over and over again.
And what point would that be -- that getting information out of you has been like pulling teeth?
People here make up their own minds about products when they can get the facts and I think we finally have enough on this one.
post #126 of 167
None of the NZ or Australian model Magic TV units have any AV inputs. They only have RF input. They are essentially a STB with a hard drive. One thing i am not sure on with these models is if the recorded format is proprietry on these too. i can find out though as heaps of people in Australia got them and say they are very good. I would think its not because our FTA stuff is totally different to USA, much lower quality and we only have 2 or 3 channels that put out HD 720p and 1080I and even then they are skimping on bit rates and everything else is 576i. We are so far behind the times and FTA is a joke here. I dont see that there is a need for our Magic tv units to protect FTA broadcasts that are SD and unprotected in the first place.

Interesting thing i found out today when i asked a ebay seller if he had any 'ViewHD' HDMI to component converters. Yes he still has them but will only sell via email and will not list them on ebay. They have also disapeared from Amazon. Seems like hes been told to remove them. These units are the same sort of thing as the HDfury. They must be really cracking down on anything that accepts a HDMI signal and ignores the copy protection.
Edited by Cyclone82 - 12/1/12 at 8:55am
post #127 of 167
@cyclone82
I keep forgetting that you are from down-under. Please consider putting your country in the location box of your profile.
post #128 of 167

Reading through this thread is like walking into a used car dealership.


Edited by Rammitinski - 12/7/12 at 12:34am
post #129 of 167
@cyclone82
Thanks for the location.
And here I thought you were from NZ.

I wish more people would take the time to put some location info in their profile.
More often than not, a location puts a posting into context.
It's not like people are compromising their security by divulging state or country.
post #130 of 167
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

None of the NZ or Australian model Magic TV units have any AV inputs. They only have RF input.

Looks like NZ 3600 model record to not-encrypted ts file that can be played back on anything.
More digging ahead on my mini though... wink.gif

NZ
Edited by esdwa - 12/4/12 at 10:08am
post #131 of 167
In Australia we get these but they have no AV inputs. only difference is firmware. Freeview version is 'crippled' though
I am getting the 4000. Apparantly you can extract recordings via ethernet or something. What ever NFS means

Still pretty hesitant about the 7000 so for now i will go with 4000 which at least has dual HD tuners i can use. There is really great support for the Magic TV units.
Might resign my self to a Black magic shuttle or a Haugpauge PVR to record component/HDMI i think.


Differences between Magic TV MTV4000 and MTV3700 Firmware (same hardware):
MTV3700:
- Supports Freeview EPG and Freeview series recording
- Requires HDCP for HDMI display
- Component output is restricted to 576i/480i only
- No ad skipping (10-minute jumps only)
- Recordings are encrypted
- Cannot record or export to USB HDD
- Cannot share recorded programmes with other Magic TV on the network
MTV4000:
- Only has Magic TV EPG
- Does not require HDCP for HDMI display
- Component output up to 1080p60 (but many brands of TV supports up to 1080i component only)
- Ad skipping: -8 seconds, +30 seconds, 1-9 minute jumps
- Recordings are not encrypted
- Support recording or export to multiple external 3.5" USB HDD up to 2TB each that has external power supply. Both traditional 512-byte sector and 4KB-sector Advanced Format HDD are supported. NTFS-formatted HDD can be used directly, or Magic TV can format it as ext2 (cannot by read by Windows unless ext2fsd is installed)
- Support network sharing with other MTV4000 on the network (6.x firmware)
- Motion-adaptive deinterlacing for best 1080p video quality
Switching between MTV3700 and MTV4000 requires using a USB flash drive to upgrade firmware, and disconnecting Magic TV from LAN and/or WiFi networks before upgrade. A factory reset after switching is recommended. (Recorded programmes will remain but bookings in to-do list will be cleared.) After switching from MTV3700 to MTV4000, previously encrypted programmes can still be played by MTV4000, but they will not be decrypted even after export to USB HDD



MTV4000 Firmware 6.0 beta 4 (2012-10-22):
http://www.magictv.com/au/downloads/mtv4000_6_0AUbeta4.zip
Change list from 5.10c to 6.0 beta4:
- Support Network sharing – In Magic TV Gadgets -> Network HDD:
i. Use Network HDD will let you play recorded programmes from other MTV4000 running Server on the network. This will slow down the access of Recorded Programmes List due to network access.
ii. Network HDD Server will run a server to provide recorded programmes to other MTV4000 that uses Network HDD.
- Workaround missing EPG data due to broadcast error by 7 Network in Western Australia
- Support 64x Fast Forward
Upgrading from 5.x to 6.x firmware requires a factory reset after upgrade. (Recorded programmes will remain but bookings in to-do list will be cleared.)
(I will not disclose how to access the Magic TV network server from PC. Those interested in it may google "Magic TV NFS mount" and use google translate.)
post #132 of 167
Just learned from user in hk that mini encrypts only hd recordings made through hdmi. Digital tv recordings are not encrypted including hd and can be shared. Too bad it is not a hong kong.

Still planning to get another mini on christmas for my bedroom to share recordings within home network. Cheers.
post #133 of 167
Yeah well for anyone outside HK the tuner is useless anyway. Are you saying anything recorded through HDMI is encrypted or just blu ray? What happens if you feed the HDMI OUT from a standard set top box, or DVD player does it encrypt those to TS files not playable on PC? What if you played a home made DVD, played that on an upscalling DVD player and connect the HDMI to the MTV7000 HDMI in and record that, Does it encrypt that too even if it has no CSS?

What am getting at is does the 7000 encrypt everything that fed through HDMI in or only somethings?. Maybe i wont dismiss this after all. I was thinking all inputs inc , composite, s-video etc were encrypted as well as the HDMI. I will still get a 4000 though as the price has jumped to from $299 AUD to $429 AUD and they are harder to come buy. Au importer is now the sole seller of them and they stopped other online dealers doing them for the super deal of $299.
Edited by Cyclone82 - 12/4/12 at 11:56pm
post #134 of 167
It seems to encrypt anything in hd that comes through hdmi inputs including non protected video from a pc laptop equipped with hdmi output to external monitor showing windows desktop.

It does not encrypt on s-video input.

It does produce encrypted ts files when recording from non-hdcp non protected dvi source.
Edited by esdwa - 12/5/12 at 6:55pm
post #135 of 167
So in summary that would mean ANYTHING above 480/576I/P through HDMI is encrypted for use only on the 7000mini, other magic TV devices or magic Tv apps on phone/computer only

Anything recorded through composite/s-video and HDMI in 480/576 SD is not encrypted and can freely be used.
post #136 of 167
^^^ that makes sense for how they could sell such a device and still be HDCP compliant.
post #137 of 167
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

...Anything recorded through composite/s-video and HDMI in 480/576 SD is not encrypted and can freely be used.

Not sure about SD through hdmi. Never tried, yet.
post #138 of 167
Well i might have some good news here, You say the Magic TV does not encrypt HDMI input signals that do not have HDCP. I found out a way to remove HDCP from HDMI first before feeding it to a Magic TV 7000mini. So it should be possible to record 1080p no worries if you are definitely sure it will not encrypt/restrict HDMI input that has no HDCP. It will cost around another $80-$100 to do this depending on what cables you get. People use this to method to record 1080p from PS3 to the Black Magic devices and the Hauppauge HDPVR2 which has HDMI input. This may even work with the older Gefen type units mentioned earlier too.
post #139 of 167
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

Well i might have some good news here, You say the Magic TV does not...[...].

I actually said it does encrypt everything from hdmi including not-hdcp video.
The unit works great so far and that is good news as much good as is subscription free to use and for not having cinavia implemented. But that is separate subject. Cheers.
post #140 of 167
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

Well i might have some good news here, You say the Magic TV does not...[...].

I actually said it does encrypt everything from hdmi including not-hdcp video. Also it does not accept 1080p input but up to 1080i only.
Hauppage and BlackMagic are not standalone recorders and they require computer, mini does not.
Edited by esdwa - 12/24/12 at 8:58pm
post #141 of 167
Ok so that wont work then. I guess its pretty much useless then. I dont know why they have HDMI input on it
post #142 of 167
This Magic TV 7000 looks fantastic! Wish we had one with ATSC tuners and TVGOS guides!
post #143 of 167
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Originally Posted by Cyclone82 View Post

Ok so that wont work then. I guess its pretty much useless then. I dont know why they have HDMI input on it

Useless for what? Recording and sharing files with others? - yes. Using it within your household to buffer and record HD recording free and anytime from any hdmi source to watch later anytime? - absolutely not.
post #144 of 167
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Originally Posted by esdwa View Post

Useless for what? Recording and sharing files with others? - yes. Using it within your household to buffer and record HD recording free and anytime from any hdmi source to watch later anytime? - absolutely not.

Greetings! Since your Mini HD recorder has no warranty in the US, have you tried to attach its HDD to your PC?
post #145 of 167
If you ask if I dismembered mini to pull hdd and hook it up to pc, then my answer is no, it's not going to happen. There is not such need since all internal hdd content can be copied to external hdd through usb port.
post #146 of 167
Hi all , i m new here and i have read a lot before registering ,sorry for some mistake , i m french quebecers )

just to let you know that i have order mine ,yesterday from HK a friend (who a has a shop),cost me 528usd +90 usd shipping (as a gift ,cross fingers too )

hope all will be ok and let you know when arrive here

i m planning to use it for my satellite receiver ,not enough space disk and no way to have an external hd + blueray too if all is working ok

cya !
post #147 of 167
Cool, let us know your impressions.
What model did you get, the 3700 or 4000?
post #148 of 167
MTV7000D-MINI
post #149 of 167
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Originally Posted by krustigolf View Post

MTV7000D-MINI

Congratulations! Now there are two of us.
You wont be disappointed, it is very friendly designed piece hardware with unique capabilities and perfect HD recording quality that I am sure you are going to explore and enjoy.

Btw, there is a dedicated to MINI forum thread
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438132/magictv-mtv7000d-mini-hdtv-hdd-dvr-pure-hd-recorder/30#post_22622934
Edited by esdwa - 2/2/13 at 6:13am
post #150 of 167
Hi Lads, I am looking forward on buying one of these units. I dont care much about the built in tuner as it wont work anyway. What I need it for are recordings!

The plan is to hook up one Sat-TV tuner and a MacMini PC (to record everything what is happening on the desktop).

Was looking at the MTV7000 and 7000Mini models.

As I understood the MTV7000 would be a better solution as it has less limitations on HDMI recordings?
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