Originally Posted by htcritic
I have to ask. I mean, really, do you believe this stuff? I mean really?
Please tell me that you are just posting this shite to stir the pot or play devil's advocate. Because if you really
believe what you posted above about Ghosts and Aliens building stuff in earth's past then your credibility about pretty much anything else just went down the crapper.
Originally Posted by Chu Gai
I believe Giz was drawing upon other examples of woo woo.
Really? I thought he was being serious, and good on 'im I say!
HT, have you read about any of this?? If not, why the incomprehension?
By the by, Von daniken was not the 'grandfather' of this..some say the bible was haha, but go back to Sitchen or Velikovsky. Anyways, go grab a copy of some of them and have a read, fascinating stuff. Well worth reading in their own right. The conclusions? Well, that is for each, but as I say well worth a read.
Rather than blindly closing your eyes (geddit?? haha) I love seeking out this alternative stuff. At the very least it is always inventive.
And as I always say, you gotta read it before you can dismiss it. Same with the good old conspiracy theory, love 'em. At the very least, you do walk away with a broader understanding of 'other think', and you start to realise you can never underestimate the power of the mind to convince themselves of any old thing.
That as an example has been evident in this thread. Ok, thee and me will no doubt think these guys are wackjobs, but hey, as I have tried to point out (and CI did a good job of illustrating) these guys DO believe it for the most part.
That alone removes it from the 'pure fraud' category in my book.
Still, I personally like the latest twist the thread has taken, it cut's straight to the heart of the divisions in these debates, and shows us that we all defend our 'religion' if you will.
Nothing more complicated than that. And, funnily enough, we defend it up to a 'point', when we suddenly 'cross over' to our own personal beliefs and we reverse! Same in audio, X, Y and Z are stupid ideas, and *Bill* is with me all the way there, yet when we get to Q...ha, Bill and I depart.
So it all depends on our own personal lines in the sand. Yet how many of us truly recognise that?
Very few, we are all happy (especially when hunting as a pack) to go for the jugular of those stoopid sunjectivists, all the while convinced of out own superior knowledge and lack of biases or beliefs...until we hit our own line in the sand. And if it was true that giz did feel these things then here is a perfect example fo that, it is fine to 'attack' the subjectivists for silly cable beliefs, you'all agree with him, till he suddenly comes up with a departure point, then the whole thing flips eh? (as I said, good onya giz if it is true, if not let us know. either way it was a great fork in the road)
These debates would be a lot more harmonious and productive
if a few more realised we are all exactly the same deep down.
Have I ever told you what I love about forums?? The individual raw human nature on display. THAT is the fascination! Forget IMD and THD blah blahblah hahaha, give me the eternal hypocrisies and emotions!!
I mean, take the betrand russel example from earlier...in any case OTHER where our prejudices did not align, we'd be crying 'strawman' would we not?
So, simply because we do not agree with 'von daniken', heck, lets just make up some silly example of a flying teapot (he's wrong BTW, it is a frickin coffe cup, he could not even get THAT right!), and from the inability to disprove that he (and 'you all') take that as proof that this alternative hypothesis is wrong?
Give me strength. I mean for sure, argue your point solidly and strenuously, but by crikey be honest and have integrity whilst you do so!