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post #211 of 1131
8/29/11 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I am now looking for new surrounds. Besides the jbl cinemas any ideas? I want to avoid the x- curve in cinema speakers.

Im working on a good coaxial surround build that perhaps you might be interested in. using emminence 10's and the apt-50 tweet. It should be done by next weekend and Ill have my impressions up
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post #212 of 1131
8/29/11 at 7:14am
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I want you guys to get on my case if I ever decide to sell the F-20's for performance reasons. They are incredible and would just be stupid to get rid of them. Maybe if I needed more room for mains but I can make these T-39's fit. Yes, I do have the T-39's, I have 4 DR-200's and 4 T-39's. 2 T-39's are 20 inch wide and 2 are 30 inches wide. The 30 inch wide are causing the fitting issues. I have to get some speakon connectors at lunch. I may also need more amplification.
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post #213 of 1131
8/29/11 at 8:28am
You will sell them...I have no doubts

At some point you will keep the design idea but will maximize the drivers inside. Lets face it, the MFW-15 was just a very, very low cost choice that peforms well but if you seek ultimate performance, you still are not there

I still need to build some F-20s to compare but I just picked up 2 more AV15Xs so Im now about 5 projects away
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post #214 of 1131
8/29/11 at 8:59am
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You will sell them...I have no doubts

At some point you will keep the design idea but will maximize the drivers inside. Lets face it, the MFW-15 was just a very, very low cost choice that peforms well but if you seek ultimate performance, you still are not there

I still need to build some F-20s to compare but I just picked up 2 more AV15Xs so Im now about 5 projects away

Define ultimate performance. I have not yet seen a greater than 110 dbs at 10hz required for a movie scene, even less at 5hz. This means these F-20's in my room can handle any movie scene at reference. They move tons of air with very little power. I might still put in a high x-max driver once Lilmike gives the OK to one so I will have even more 5hz-10hz headroom. I really like the design.
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post #215 of 1131
8/29/11 at 10:26am
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I might still put in a high x-max driver once Lilmike gives the OK to one so I will have even more 5hz-10hz headroom. I really like the design.

That is the key. The design still can take higher driver performance

Lets face it, you will stop buying/trying until we have 120dB @ 20Hz with 1 Watt
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post #216 of 1131
8/29/11 at 10:55am
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I admit I have a problem. Admission is the first step to a cure. I have 22 speakers right now and getting crazy and that is not including the 4 subs.
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post #217 of 1131
8/29/11 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I admit I have a problem. Admission is the first step to a cure. I have 22 speakers right now and getting crazy and that is not including the 4 subs.

And I thought I had a problem with 3 kinds of speakers in my music/HT room. Pick one you love and stick with it, in my case it was Dynaudio.
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post #218 of 1131
8/29/11 at 11:07am
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I admit I have a problem. Admission is the first step to a cure. .

Tried it, it didnt work....Back for more
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post #219 of 1131
8/29/11 at 11:35am
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I hear you.
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post #220 of 1131
8/29/11 at 11:59am
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I still need to build some F-20s to compare but I just picked up 2 more AV15Xs so Im now about 5 projects away

I can't wait to see the results of this build.

MK, you know you're going to eventually build, or have built, 4 sealed, dual opposed 18" beasts... And I can't wait to see what your room does with them.
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post #221 of 1131
8/29/11 at 12:24pm
I think both MK and I are waiting on the DIY Rotrary build/results. Im pretty sure we will be adding something like that

For me quad F-20s + Rotrary sub would be amazing along with unmatched performance/$$$. I have several 15" subwoofer drivers ready to be hacked apart too
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post #222 of 1131
8/29/11 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

I think both MK and I are waiting on the DIY Rotrary build/results. Im pretty sure we will be adding something like that

For me quad F-20s + Rotrary sub would be amazing along with unmatched performance/$$$. I have several 15" subwoofer drivers ready to be hacked apart too

Bingo!!!!! The rotary gets 110dbs from 1-20 hz which is enough for reference for now or until someone actually records a 0DbFs 10 hz scene.
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post #223 of 1131
8/29/11 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I admit I have a problem. Admission is the first step to a cure. I have 22 speakers right now and getting crazy and that is not including the 4 subs.

I am not far behind you. 19 speakers and 7 subs.
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post #224 of 1131
8/29/11 at 7:22pm
I'm close with 18 speakers but got ya with 12 subs lol
The wife just rolls here eyes now. Just wait till she sees the bill for the new projector, screen and 2 new amps hehehehe!
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post #225 of 1131
8/29/11 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Just wait till she sees the bill for the new projector, screen and 2 new amps hehehehe!

Dear god, don't show her.
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post #226 of 1131
8/29/11 at 8:03pm
MK,

Where are the pics?

Don't hold out on us....

JSS
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post #227 of 1131
8/29/11 at 8:25pm
I just realized suffer from the same addiction as the rest of you, 18 speakers and 23 subs waiting for enclosures after the move. To top it off I have 18 channels of amplification, 25 if you count a receiver's amps. When you move you really find out how much you actually have. the scary part is I want to buy more speakers, I need to enroll in a AA, Audio Anonymous
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post #228 of 1131
8/29/11 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I just realized suffer from the same addiction as the rest of you, 18 speakers and 23 subs waiting for enclosures after the move. To top it off I have 18 channels of amplification, 25 if you count a receiver's amps. When you move you really find out how much you actually have. the scary part is I want to buy more speakers, I need to enroll in a AA, Audio Anonymous

mj, where are you moving to?
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post #229 of 1131
8/29/11 at 9:46pm
As long as you can afford the hobby this is a fairly cheap hobby. I like to customize my diesel engine and that is always 10x's more expensive than my audio hobby. But then again I am not looking at Krell either.
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post #230 of 1131
8/30/11 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I'm close with 18 speakers but got ya with 12 subs lol
The wife just rolls here eyes now. Just wait till she sees the bill for the new projector, screen and 2 new amps hehehehe!

lol, lucky you do not have about 35 drivers sitting in your garage along with empty speaker boxes, extra amps and so on.

Just think what kind of "Swap meet" we could have together
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post #231 of 1131
8/30/11 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

As long as you can afford the hobby this is a fairly cheap hobby. I like to customize my diesel engine and that is always 10x's more expensive than my audio hobby. But then again I am not looking at Krell either.

lmao, very cheap relative to other hobbies.
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post #232 of 1131
8/30/11 at 6:23am
I have too many other hobbies though so the audio costs add up. I hear you on the cars. This old porsche i've been fixing up for a few years is a money pit. I keep having "while im in there" syndrome where I end up fixing every little thing instead of just taking it off the jack stands and driving it.
Fortunately I'm still single so I don't have to worry about any WAF or finances passing inspection. As long as my budget looks good to me, I'm in the clear.
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post #233 of 1131
8/30/11 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I am not far behind you. 19 speakers and 7 subs.

So are you guys counting each speaker or pairs of speakers! jK! I use to have a ton, as I use to work for a dealer. I have now narrowed it down to only a few that "My Ears" truly like.

Dynaudio
Joseph Audio
Dali
Martin Logan

Gallo for small sub compact speakers
Subs I am all over the map
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post #234 of 1131
8/30/11 at 12:04pm
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My speakers are all in one room which is 2100 cubic feet. They are also being used for now. I only want 7 speakers and 4 subs.
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post #235 of 1131
8/30/11 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I just realized suffer from the same addiction as the rest of you, 18 speakers and 23 subs waiting for enclosures after the move. To top it off I have 18 channels of amplification, 25 if you count a receiver's amps. When you move you really find out how much you actually have. the scary part is I want to buy more speakers, I need to enroll in a AA, Audio Anonymous

If you are going to count loose drivers, then Penn will have all of us beat. I think he collects drivers like some people collect wine.
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post #236 of 1131
8/30/11 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

My speakers are all in one room which is 2100 cubic feet. They are also being used for now. I only want 7 speakers and 4 subs.

What you really need to build is a carousel system for your speakers. That would save you a ton of time in the long run. Every month you would just need to load it up with the various speaker candidates and then you would be able to automatically rotate the desired speakers into position.
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post #237 of 1131
8/30/11 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

If you are going to count loose drivers, then Penn will have all of us beat. I think he collects drivers like some people collect wine.

Looks like I will be getting the BFM DR-200/T-39 towers up and running tonight with my new mic measuring!!! Look for results late night as usual. Oh yeah, for Maxmercy, I will take pics of the front stage and left overs. If you guys want great speakers for a good price let me know. The Triads and M&K smaller speakers make great surrounds. The Triads are almost too nice for just surround duty. Triads go for $300 each and the M&K's $200 each. BTW guys, the new Ada processor is just awesome!!! I like tweaking myself and it's PEQ works just great. It is pricy though but I am a sucker for their gear.
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post #238 of 1131
8/30/11 at 1:40pm
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Suggestions please! I have 4 BFM T-39's and they are different in widths. 20 inches and 30 inches. I am using them as my bottoms(50-200hz) to my DR-200's. The question is should I use 2 30 inch T-39's(mains) with a 20 inch for a center or use the twenty inch for the mains with one 30 inch for center? The differences between the 30 inch and 20 inch are the 30 inch should have a higher sensitivity.
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post #239 of 1131
8/30/11 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

If you are going to count loose drivers, then Penn will have all of us beat. I think he collects drivers like some people collect wine.

I am not that crazy to count my loose drivers with Penn, I know I lost that battle before it even started
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post #240 of 1131
8/30/11 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

BTW guys, the new Ada processor is just awesome!!! I like tweaking myself and it's PEQ works just great. It is pricy though but I am a sucker for their gear.

I have always liked ADA pre-pro's as well but haven't got into there HDMI line yet. Do you have a good source for ADA?
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