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post #571 of 1131
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carp there is no way a couple of empires are going to do a darn thing for you with that Captivator in your room. If you want more midbass for that crazy metal music you listen to you need to work with your SMS EQ. That cap should be able to do everything you want. I do understand the symmetry thing - so I respect getting another one to finish the pair.


Paging Luke Kamp -- assistance at carp's house in the EQ section needed.

It's all just curiosity at this point. I love how the system is sounding for music (you heard it) but I don't think I've ever going to stop tinkering and buying new stuff. Luke set up a nice house curve for me and it's awesome for movies. He really had to TURN DOWN the eq between 20 and 30hz.

One thing is for sure though, the bass is soooo much more impactful in the front 1/3 of the room. You would think that this would mean that I have a null at the LP but I do not. Luke said I should try buying another Cap and setting each against a side wall closer to my LP, I may try that too although I feel like that's cheating.

MK, I know audio memory is a tough thing, but do you think any of these speakers you have listened to recently compare to Magnepan when it comes to the highs? If not, which came the closest?
post #572 of 1131
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

It's all just curiosity at this point. I love how the system is sounding for music (you heard it) but I don't think I've ever going to stop tinkering and buying new stuff. Luke set up a nice house curve for me and it's awesome for movies. He really had to TURN DOWN the eq between 20 and 30hz.

One thing is for sure though, the bass is soooo much more impactful in the front 1/3 of the room. You would think that this would mean that I have a null at the LP but I do not. Luke said I should try buying another Cap and setting each against a side wall closer to my LP, I may try that too although I feel like that's cheating.

MK, I know audio memory is a tough thing, but do you think any of these speakers you have listened to recently compare to Magnepan when it comes to the highs? If not, which came the closest?

It is hard to say because they sound different. I would say the JTR, BFM, and eD speakers have excellent highs. The maggies sound excellent but they can not play loud and the reason I ditched them for M&K S-5000's at the time. The dynamics of the newer speakers will kill the Maggies during a movie.
post #573 of 1131
So the BFM's are in first place but your getting rid of them? or just putting in additional DR200's? two per channel?
post #574 of 1131
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So the BFM's are in first place but your getting rid of them? or just putting in additional DR200's? two per channel?

I want to try the line array DR's an I will for the center at first since I has an extra speaker. If I lose the Midbass the sale if off! They do sound great IMHO and the eD is sounding better. I am going to listen some more at 2pm and try to get my bass workin again.
post #575 of 1131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I want to try the line array DR's an I will for the center at first since I has an extra speaker. If I lose the Midbass the sale if off! They do sound great IMHO and the eD is sounding better. I am going to listen some more at 2pm and try to get my bass workin again.

Which Ed's are they again? good luck on the bass recapturing
post #576 of 1131
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They are the e12 cinema's fully loaded! Upgraded CD to the DE-250 and woofer upgraded to kappa lite something that is 100db sensitive.
post #577 of 1131
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I have a feeling that if I never tried the BFM's I would own these eD's!
post #578 of 1131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

It is hard to say because they sound different. I would say the JTR, BFM, and eD speakers have excellent highs. The maggies sound excellent but they can not play loud and the reason I ditched them for M&K S-5000's at the time. The dynamics of the newer speakers will kill the Maggies during a movie.

Cool, I may have to try some JTR or eD speakers at some point.

Yeah, that's why I want to get another set of speakers for HT. I don't know if I will find something I like better for music than the Maggies though.
post #579 of 1131
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Originally Posted by carp View Post


Cool, I may have to try some JTR or eD speakers at some point.

Yeah, that's why I want to get another set of speakers for HT. I don't know if I will find something I like better for music than the Maggies though.

The eD speakers sound fantastic. So do JTR's but I am starting to like the eD's even more. The JTR's will play louder but both will take your head off! These are lateral moves and based on taste for me.
post #580 of 1131
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If the eD speaker sounds as big and powerful at 14 feet away as they do 7 feet away I maybe switching. I do have $850 into these each and $600 into the BFM's and $1100 for the JTR's. BFM wins hands down for bang for buck I you build them yourself. The eD's will be breaking in all day today so they will have close to 30 hours on them.
post #581 of 1131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

If the eD speaker sounds as big and powerful at 14 feet away as they do 7 feet away I maybe switching. I do have $850 into these each and $600 into the BFM's and $1100 for the JTR's. BFM wins hands down for bang for buck I you build them yourself. The eD's will be breaking in all day today so they will have close to 30 hours on them.

Has me looking forward to my set ... However, I didn't get the upgraded woofer .. How are the highs on them (so far)?
post #582 of 1131
Hi MK',

When listening have you been turning off the EQ you had to use to get the BFM speakers sounding decent? Have you tried measuring and adding any EQ below 500-1kHz on the others you've compared? Are you still using the ADA amps for the speakers being tested?

Amusing stuff!
post #583 of 1131
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Hi MK',

When listening have you been turning off the EQ you had to use to get the BFM speakers sounding decent? Have you tried measuring and adding any EQ below 500-1kHz on the others you've compared? Are you still using the ADA amps for the speakers being tested?

Amusing stuff!

I turn off the EQ with the other speakers and need it with the BFM. To be fair I EQ'd at the speaker or 3feet away because the BFM speakers don't have any crossovers in the them and the others have great crossovers so basically I am letting the room effect each speaker equally as they are all flat nearfield. The JTR speakers can play the loudest with more clarity but we are talking 126 DBS!!! Again, I would take any of these speakers as each have their strengths and weaknesses. I can live with any but I happen to spend less on the BFM system and the eD is totally custom for me. The JTR system is already installed in my friends house and is not going anywhere. They all have great highs, great vocal clarity, it is the Midbass that will be different and I have not tried the eD's far away yet and who knows they may lose some of their sizzle from that far away. I am still breaking them in. Oh yeah, the JTR's were not broken in either. The DE-250 is smoothing out already and sounds really nice but again it is 7 feet away.
post #584 of 1131
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Hi MK',

When listening have you been turning off the EQ you had to use to get the BFM speakers sounding decent? Have you tried measuring and adding any EQ below 500-1kHz on the others you've compared? Are you still using the ADA amps for the speakers being tested?

Amusing stuff!

Also I was thinking of using the T-39's for all the speakers but I would not use them like that for keeps so I will try the DR-200's alone but they are only $300 so not really a fair test but who knows. This is too fun to not do anyways. Any ideas why my bass is gone? That is more important right now. It is not gone on music just 5.1 material.
post #585 of 1131
Your feedback has me itching for the parts for my DIY build with the DE250 and TD15 woofer, probably won't get them till Dec/Jan.

Mark, any updates on your cabinets?
post #586 of 1131
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Speaking of which Mark, you really need to try out the Ada processor with your speakers!
post #587 of 1131
I sure like hearing what you have to say about the 7' listening distance for the eD's. That will be the distance for mine. Just don't know when I will get home to hear them.
post #588 of 1131
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Originally Posted by bbaskin View Post

I sure like hearing what you have to say about the 7' listening distance for the eD's. That will be the distance for mine. Just don't know when I will get home to hear them.

The CD needs breaking in and when it starts to it gets smoother and smoother.
post #589 of 1131
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Any ideas why my bass is gone? That is more important right now. It is not gone on music just 5.1 material.

You sure you didn't somehow flip the processor into a mode without bass management (bass only coming from the .1 channel, vs. rerouting sub-crossover content from LCR as well)?
post #590 of 1131
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post


You sure you didn't somehow flip the processor into a mode without bass management (bass only coming from the .1 channel, vs. rerouting sub-crossover content from LCR as well)?

One of the first things I checked and all are on small with an 80hz crossover. Sub is on and set to go up to 120hz. Bass limiter is off and dynamic volume is off. The only thing I can think of is that I have the processor set to 6.1 right now and not 7.1 or 5.1. Maybe that screwed something so I will try a 5.1 and see if bass comes back.
post #591 of 1131
MK, what are your thoughts on DE250 compared to the Selenium CD in the CHT's?
post #592 of 1131
Can't wait to get my eD's with the DE250 and upgraded finish! Oh, and the enclosure they are building me for my LMS-18.
post #593 of 1131
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Can't wait to get my eD's with the DE250 and upgraded finish! Oh, and the enclosure they are building me for my LMS-18.

The upgraded finish is very nice and the CD needed to smooth out which it is starting to do. I have not tried the speakers as fronts like the SHO-10's.
post #594 of 1131
James, I have not been around the forums lately, doing other things. I also don't tend to visit the speaker forum when I pop in. You have outdone yourself and that is saying something.

You are one of the few people that can claim Home Theater is exercise!

I have watched a lot of movies but left my setup alone for around a year. I did drop my handicap 5 points this summer and just picked up a Caesar Guerini sporting gun so I am having fun I am just spreading the obsession around!

Go man go, I will live vicariously through you. Epic.
post #595 of 1131
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and just picked up a Caesar Guerini sporting gun so I am having fun I am just spreading the obsession around!

Nice!
post #596 of 1131
what is the woofer upgrade? I didnt know they had that available
post #597 of 1131
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what is the woofer upgrade? I didnt know they had that available

I paid $300 extra for the woofer upgrade each! We were going to go with the AE driver but the availability was unknown so we went with one of the best eminence drivers and they are starting to pound. The true test is when I put them up front. I need to get some pics, I have been getting lazy with them because of the bass problem. Last time a swapped out an HDMI cable and it worked but I tried optical and the bass was still lacking so why should that work again? I used a dynex and a monoprice HDMI cable. Maybe the DTS and DD board went bad but the other channels work fine, just compressed bass.
post #598 of 1131
MK,

Wow, I don't follow your contributions as often as I should. So, when I do catch up, and read a page or so at a time,..man it's an exhausting whirlwind of fun! You're amazing,..interesting for sure.

Now, seriously, the auditory reference being what it is (fleeting), do you keep a benchmark speaker on hand,..ie, your most recent best performer? And then subsequent offerings that best it, and thus replace it,..and all subsequent speakers go up against the new benchmark best performer?

I really, really enjoy your enthusiasm for HT audio. Best of luck with the ortho stuff. I'm quite the walking science project myself
post #599 of 1131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I paid $300 extra for the woofer upgrade each! We were going to go with the AE driver but the availability was unknown so we went with one of the best eminence drivers and they are starting to pound. The true test is when I put them up front. I need to get some pics, I have been getting lazy with them because of the bass problem. Last time a swapped out an HDMI cable and it worked but I tried optical and the bass was still lacking so why should that work again? I used a dynex and a monoprice HDMI cable. Maybe the DTS and DD board went bad but the other channels work fine, just compressed bass.

That sounds incredibly steep for the woofer upgrade even with the increased neo prices. What is the default woofer?
post #600 of 1131
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

MK,

Wow, I don't follow your contributions as often as I should. So, when I do catch up, and read a page or so at a time,..man it's an exhausting whirlwind of fun! You're amazing,..interesting for sure.

Now, seriously, the auditory reference being what it is (fleeting), do you keep a benchmark speaker on hand,..ie, your most recent best performer? And then subsequent offerings that best it, and thus replace it,..and all subsequent speakers go up against the new benchmark best performer?

I really, really enjoy your enthusiasm for HT audio. Best of luck with the ortho stuff. I'm quite the walking science project myself

I do exactly what you say, I usually just compare to speakers at a time and keep the won I like best and write down why I like it better. I then get a new speaker and compare it against the winner and just keep going while writing down notes to refresh my memory why. The used market is where all the best bang for buck speakers are and DIY for subwoofers. I got my big JBL's for $400 each and my BFM's for $300 each but then went crazy with the bass bins and bought them for $300 each. The JTR and eD speakers are much more expensive using high quality and some of the finest drivers. Why they are more expensive is because they can provide JBL like performance in such a smaller package. Big and ugly will aways be much cheaper and I need more depth for my new 140 inch screen so that is the only reason I sold the JBL's, they were not lacking much at all except High frequencies. The best of both worlds would be to use the eD High frequency section with the JBL dual 15's to get a speaker that is not deep to fit behind screens. I just may end up having eD build me a sealed dual 2226 with the DE 250 on top. That could be a world beater for sure!!! As of now it is very close between the BFM and eD speakers as they have a slightly different tone. The eD's ar a little higher pitched. The high end on the BFM is more laid back but just as detailed so I need to decide after I have them up front. This is totally preference as these all sound great for HT and I am testing with music! You guys should hear Harry potter when the musical score fills the room IMAX theaters would be jealous!!
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