Quote:
Originally Posted by MKtheater 
Ok guys since my shootout is over I just wanted to rank them from 1 on down and I will include some older speakers since I had them head to head against my 5000's before.
1. DR-200's
2. JBL 4675
3. JBL 3722N
4. eD cinema 12 upgraded
5. JTR triple 8 sealed
6. CHT SHO-10's
7. JTR triple 8 originals
8. M&K S-5000's
9. KL-650's
10. Triad in room LCR gold classics
Now this is my preference for reference level movie watching where I value big dynamic sound with detail over everything else. Many of the speakers had better highs than the JBLs but their big dynamic sound was just hard to ignore! Now their lack luster highs do make them not as good for music and I will rate them for music now. I am talking 100 dBs for music because above that the triads would fall apart which means 112 dBs at the speaker.
1. DR-200's
2. triads
3. JTR sealed triple 8's
4. eD cinema 12 upgraded
5. CHT SHO-10's
6. M&K S-5000
7. JTR original triple 8
8. JBL 4675
9. JBL 3722n
10. Klipsch KL-650
Ok guys since my shootout is over I just wanted to rank them from 1 on down and I will include some older speakers since I had them head to head against my 5000's before.
1. DR-200's
2. JBL 4675
3. JBL 3722N
4. eD cinema 12 upgraded
5. JTR triple 8 sealed
6. CHT SHO-10's
7. JTR triple 8 originals
8. M&K S-5000's
9. KL-650's
10. Triad in room LCR gold classics
Now this is my preference for reference level movie watching where I value big dynamic sound with detail over everything else. Many of the speakers had better highs than the JBLs but their big dynamic sound was just hard to ignore! Now their lack luster highs do make them not as good for music and I will rate them for music now. I am talking 100 dBs for music because above that the triads would fall apart which means 112 dBs at the speaker.
1. DR-200's
2. triads
3. JTR sealed triple 8's
4. eD cinema 12 upgraded
5. CHT SHO-10's
6. M&K S-5000
7. JTR original triple 8
8. JBL 4675
9. JBL 3722n
10. Klipsch KL-650
I just want to point out for those reading along that the Triad Gold LCR's used in the above shoot out are not current models. They are the "Classic" model, which was discontinued years ago and replaced with the current Gold LCR, which is much more capable than the "Classic" model.
Here is what Paul Scarpelli had to say about the Classic Gold LCR's when MK posted about them on the Triad thread:
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli
Those original Gold LCRs came out in 1994, and we discontinued them when the Seas drivers were no longer available, just a few years ago. They're a nice small-room LCR, but don't expect them to rock a big room. They're smallish, they handle around 150 watts, and sensitivity is 90 dB. Our dealers and customers LOVED these speakers, but they may not do well in a shoot-out because response in the treble starts to droop before 15 kHz. (The horn gain causes the midrange and low treble to be more pronounced than upper treble.) If you can kick them 4 dB at 13 kHz or so, they sound very natural and neutral. In shoot-outs, it's been my experience that speakers with flat response don't do well, subjectively. A jagged response curve sounds more dramatic. The curve on the Gold LCR is far flatter than any M&K, but M&Ks always sounded very exciting. (I sold as much M&K as anyone in history when I was in retail. They were very dramatic, and a little rough-sounding, but very good for HT.) The Gold LCR should sound "calmer" and more listenable, but you may "like" the M&Ks more. The M&Ks will definitely play louder.
Now the NEW Gold LCRs...that would be a different shoot-out result.
Those original Gold LCRs came out in 1994, and we discontinued them when the Seas drivers were no longer available, just a few years ago. They're a nice small-room LCR, but don't expect them to rock a big room. They're smallish, they handle around 150 watts, and sensitivity is 90 dB. Our dealers and customers LOVED these speakers, but they may not do well in a shoot-out because response in the treble starts to droop before 15 kHz. (The horn gain causes the midrange and low treble to be more pronounced than upper treble.) If you can kick them 4 dB at 13 kHz or so, they sound very natural and neutral. In shoot-outs, it's been my experience that speakers with flat response don't do well, subjectively. A jagged response curve sounds more dramatic. The curve on the Gold LCR is far flatter than any M&K, but M&Ks always sounded very exciting. (I sold as much M&K as anyone in history when I was in retail. They were very dramatic, and a little rough-sounding, but very good for HT.) The Gold LCR should sound "calmer" and more listenable, but you may "like" the M&Ks more. The M&Ks will definitely play louder.
Now the NEW Gold LCRs...that would be a different shoot-out result.
The current Gold LCR's are MUCH more capable than the Classics MK had. Here is an entire page of discussions he had with PS before he decided to sell them:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...c#post20792271
Here is the most telling quote:
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli
I'm pleased that you can appreciate the good qualities of these speakers, and accept their limitations. They play fairly loud, but they won't pin you to the wall like the new Gold LCRs. They're very smooth and natural, which, to unsophisticated ears, means "boring." They can be damaged by overpowering them, although they can take some punishment. I used 300 watts per channel into my Gold LCRs fifteen years ago, and I did manage to blow the 6.5" drivers in my center. It was my fault, and quite often I push Triad speakers unreasonably hard, just to see whaddup. I haven't blown anything since. Yours should sound great with ADA, which is superb electronics.
I'm pleased that you can appreciate the good qualities of these speakers, and accept their limitations. They play fairly loud, but they won't pin you to the wall like the new Gold LCRs. They're very smooth and natural, which, to unsophisticated ears, means "boring." They can be damaged by overpowering them, although they can take some punishment. I used 300 watts per channel into my Gold LCRs fifteen years ago, and I did manage to blow the 6.5" drivers in my center. It was my fault, and quite often I push Triad speakers unreasonably hard, just to see whaddup. I haven't blown anything since. Yours should sound great with ADA, which is superb electronics.
Here is the current Gold LCR:
Here is the Classic Gold LCR MK had:
I am pointing this out because I wouldn't want anyone to write off the current model because the Classic model, (an 18 year old design), ranked last for HT in a shootout. I have heard the current Gold LCR, and I would describe them as being "very capable" for HT.
Craig
